Rift Forms in Ex-Gay Movement as Belief in Gay ‘Cure’ Is Renounced

  • metta

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    Jul 07, 2012 4:38 PM GMT

    Rift Forms in Movement as Belief in Gay ‘Cure’ Is Renounced

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/07/us/a-leaders-renunciation-of-ex-gay-tenets-causes-a-schism.html
  • metta

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    Jul 07, 2012 6:22 PM GMT
    Evangelicals Fight Over Therapy To 'Cure' Gays

    http://www.npr.org/2012/07/06/156367287/evangelicals-fight-over-therapy-to-cure-gays
  • KissTheSky

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    Jul 07, 2012 6:49 PM GMT
    Isn't FRAUD illegal in this country?
    These con artists should all be in jail -- especially now that their leader has admitted the whole thing was a big scam.
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    Jul 07, 2012 6:51 PM GMT
    The problem is twofold: there is money to be made and there is no proof.

    Kindof like organized religion. Eh?

    Now my eyes hurt from all the rolling. Off to take a nap.
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    Jul 07, 2012 6:52 PM GMT
    KissTheSky saidIsn't FRAUD illegal in this country?
    These con artists should all be in jail -- especially now that their leader has admitted the whole thing was a big scam.
    +1
  • HottJoe

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    Jul 07, 2012 6:59 PM GMT
    RobertF64 saidThe problem is twofold: there is money to be made and there is no proof.

    Kind of like organized religion.
    Eh?

    Now my eyes hurt from all the rolling. Off to take a nap.


    Exactly
  • LJay

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    Jul 07, 2012 7:00 PM GMT
    [Easily projects look of "No? Really?"]
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    Jul 07, 2012 9:13 PM GMT
    The problem is that while we still have bisexual living double lives flip flopping we are going to have people making the assumption sexuality is a choice. I mean to say you have a guy who has been a married breeding pseudo hetrosexual, then at 40+ decides it's time for a lifestyle; change and to be seen waving the rainbow flag; declaring to the wives, I never really loved you, And off they go with with Steve or to find him. Thus people concluded they can be cured and turned back, as some also flip flop back too. Thus the seed is born in minds that homosexuality is a choice, sadly it is for bisexuals, if they live with Adam or Eve, but not for the straights or us Bona Fide Homosexuals.
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    Jul 07, 2012 9:32 PM GMT
    tru_blu_auzzie saidThe problem is that while we still have bisexual living double lives flip flopping we are going to have people making the assumption sexuality is a choice. I mean to say you have a guy who has been a married breeding pseudo hetrosexual, then at 40+ decides it's time for a lifestyle; change and to be seen waving the rainbow flag; declaring the the wives I never really loved you, And off they go with with Steve or to find him. Thus people concluded they can be cured and turned back, as some also flip lop back too. Thus the seed is born in minds that homosexuality is a choice, sadly it is for bisexuals, if they live with Adam or Eve, but not for the straights or us Bona Fide Homosexuals.


    In my teens and twenties I had sexual encounters with guys and girls. In my thirties I married and raised a kid. Now I am living life as a gay man. A choice? Yes, in that I have, at this stage in my life, decided to embrace what I've known about myself from the time I was very little but didnt have the guts to do until now.

    A persons orientation is not a choice. The decision to act on it, supress it, or act counter to it is a choice. If your orientation is truly gay then you will not be living a full life if you are hiding behind a woman. Just as if you were a straight man in prision having sex with another inmate, it will do the job for the circumstances he finds himself but as soon as he is released he will return to heterosexual behavior. Therefore, I liken gay men who like myself were married and are now living openly gay lives to men who were in prision constructed by their families, communities and churches but have been released and can finally act on their true sexual orientation.
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    Jul 08, 2012 12:49 AM GMT
    KissTheSky saidIsn't FRAUD illegal in this country?
    These con artists should all be in jail -- especially now that their leader has admitted the whole thing was a big scam.


    To quote George Costanza, "It's not a lie, if you believe it." These morons really believe they can cure gay people even though, deep down, they know it's a massive lie.