USING ADROGEL OR TESTIM CREAM EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE NOT DIAGNOSED WITH LOW TESTOSTERONE LEVEL.

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    Aug 04, 2008 10:40 PM GMT
    CAN YOU USE THIS AS A SUBSTITUTE TO INCREASE YOUR TESTOSTERONE LEVEL AND SEE SOME ANABOLIC STEROIDS-LIKE RESULTS?

    WHAT ARE THE SIDE-EFFECTS?
  • MuslDrew

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    Aug 05, 2008 2:07 AM GMT
    You should see some mild anabolic results, not as much as injectable test though. The gel is a pretty low dose. The only side effects I know of is an increased libido. Who's gonna complain about that? I assume you're getting it from a physician? You may need an estrogen blocker in addition to the Androgel.
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    Aug 06, 2008 10:44 PM GMT
    Thanks guys for this awesome response. this really helped and convinced me to just go through my regular regime.
  • Hunkymonkey

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    Aug 22, 2008 9:35 AM GMT
    I agree with muchmorethanmuscle. These are simply mild-dose, time-released steroids, requiring no injections. You could consider using a tribulus/fenugreek blend or fadogia agrestis to boost your natural test, plus nettles and avena sativa to bind your SHBG and allow more free test to circulate in your system.
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    Aug 22, 2008 9:57 AM GMT
    Yeah, I know some people say that tribulus is worthless, but I've noticed improved performance while taking it.
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    Aug 28, 2008 10:33 AM GMT
    I've noticed some difference with androbolin or testo-boost. I'm planning to try DHEA next.
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    Aug 28, 2008 12:56 PM GMT
    issacd saidI've noticed some difference with androbolin or testo-boost. I'm planning to try DHEA next.


    I'm curious as to why you want to try DHEA? Ten years ago it was touted as the greatest thing out there, but then all the negative press followed. These are excerpts from Wikipedia:


    "DHEA supplements are sometimes used as muscle-building or performance-enhancing drugs by athletes. However, a randomized placebo-controlled trial found that DHEA supplementation had no effect on lean body mass, strength, or testosterone levels.[10]

    Disputed effects

    In the United States, DHEA or DHEAS have been advertised with claims that they may be beneficial for a wide variety of ailments. DHEA and DHEAS are readily available in the United States, where they are marketed as over-the-counter dietary supplements.[23] A 2004 review in the American Journal of Sports Medicine concluded that "The marketing of this supplement's effectiveness far exceeds its science."[24] Because DHEA is converted to androstenedione and then testosterone, it has two chances to aromatize into estrogen- estrone from androstenedione, and estradiol from testosterone. As such, it is possible for increases in estrogen levels more than testosterone in men."

    Is anyone else hearing anything different?
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    Sep 10, 2008 1:56 AM GMT
    NOTE: I just read the first post.

    LMAO!! Androgel and Testim cream ARE steroids!

    STEROIDS ARE..
    (US legal definition) testosterone or any one of its chemical derivatives
    (scientific definition) any "gender-specific" hormone, i.e. estrogen, testosterone, etc.

    SIDE EFFECTS

    General:

    + ) Elevated mood, increased immune system function, increased metabolic rate, improved disposition, personality changes (rarely negative), better sleep, lower body-fat percentage, greater lean-muscle mass, faster recovery post-workout, improved red blood cell count, improved circulation, delayed onset of age-related illness (i.e. stroke, heart attack, high cholesterol, dementia, etc.), improved management of insulin and associated hormones, lower overall blood sugar, improved and increased sexual function, increased phallus size, "aggression" aka "a strong desire to 'get up off your ass and pump some fucking iron!'", increased self-esteem, increased strength, greatly improved energy levels, faster thought processing, etc. etc. etc.
    - ) hair-loss if genes for such condition are present, small balls, excess hair growth (strictly a testosterone-specific side effect), gynecomastia if in excess of estrogen and genes for such condition are present, small, benign liver tumors with use of oral steroids fading and eventually disappearing upon discontinuation of oral steroid

    Specific:

    Aromatizing Derivatives (derivatives breaking down into estrogen) -
    + ) More water taken into muscle (aka "super pumps"), heavy gains
    - ) Increased estrogen coming up to dangerous levels, hair loss (due to rise in DHT levels), water-retention (an estrogen-specific side effect)
    examples include: testosterone, dianabol, equipoise, primobolan, etc.

    Non-Aromatizing Derivatives (derivatives that do not break down) -
    + ) shedding of excess water (you get nice and tight), strength increases, highly "masculinizing", "you get hard as a rock", GREATLY increased recovery rates, a constant "amped" feeling
    - ) erectile dysfunction (when using trenbolone), greatly decreased estrogen levels, dehydration, sleeplessness
    examples include: masteron, proviron, trenbolone, winstrol, etc.

    DISCLAIMER:

    Read wikipedia, bodybuilding.com, professionalmuscle.com, and google on "steroids" and you'll find this all over the web.
    Remember to consider the source: if it's not coming from a tried-and-true user or a direct medical source, it's probably a total load (keep "Reefer Madness" in mind, here)
    DO NOT try it out for yourself without consulting a medical professional or without having a thorough understanding of legal procedure.

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    All that said, turn off your CAPS lock, and remember: Taking a supplement to increase your testosterone levels is technically the same as rubbing it on your skin or shooting it in your ass (and cum doesn't count, sorry guys) though I don't think anyone has ever been tossed in the clink for taking a pill from a local health store.
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    Sep 10, 2008 2:11 AM GMT
    I have said this before and will say it again here: The US government has no business regulating who chooses to "chemically enhance" their body just as the government should not be in the business of deciding who gets plastic surgery.

    Don't buy the government bullshit about HGH and steroids. Be informed. Know the risks. Work with your doctor. Decide for yourself.

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    Sep 10, 2008 2:16 AM GMT
    I have a client who is a female-to-male trans person and the patches have given her whiskers but no muscles, so far.

    Are those patches really strong enough to shut down your natural test production?
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    Sep 10, 2008 2:36 AM GMT
    BigSETXjock said
    Don't buy the government bullshit about HGH and steroids. Be informed. Know the risks. Work with your doctor. Decide for yourself.

    Your comments seem more than just a little irresponsible to me, especially when directed at younger guys that may be more impressionable than others. What do you decide (for yourself) afterwards if things have gone terribly, irreversably wrong? Do you yourself even have a doctor, or did you give yourself up to an unscrupulous pusher that will unscrupulously grant your every wish?

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    Sep 10, 2008 3:14 AM GMT
    Hmmm, I have to side with BigSETXjock here. There is a LOT of misinformation out there about AS's. Just as much as there are false and exaggerated claims about the efficacy of "natural" supplements or "hormone precursors".

    I think the point here is that education is what is needed NOT regulation by the government in regard to the use and availability of steroids. If they weren't controlled substances, no one would have to go to "unscrupulous" sources to get them and we could be sure about their actual content and safety. Prohibition made alcohol illegal in the 20's so people had go to "unscrupulous" sources for that. Alcohol is responsible for many, many more deaths and health issues than steroids. So to make the blanket statement that steroids are BAD period is just lack of accurate information and education. ANY drug when abused has the potential to cause life altering, permanent side effects. Even vitamins have toxic levels that can cause permanent damage or death.

    Aero, I'm not judging you for having a personal opinion on whether or not steroids are good or bad, that's your choice to make for you, but just like it's debatable when life begins and if it's right or wrong to terminate a pregnancy, it still should be the woman's choice or the couples choice to make that decision, not the government and there should be safe, legal options available for her if she makes that choice (btw, I personally think terminating a pregnancy is wrong but that's me but I'd never force that view on someone else).
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    Feb 05, 2009 3:44 AM GMT
    I'm not going to respond about side effects since they are well covered.

    Androgel and Testim are junk in my view in terms of getting high testosterone levels. A compound testosterone formulation is going to be much better at getting high levels, such as Testosterone P in vanicream. At that point how high the dose goes depends on how much you apply and where. Application to the scrotum will create sky high DHT levels, while application to the forearm will create less DHT. If you are worried about hair loss because of a specific reason then consider a 5 alpha reductase blocker, otherwise leave it alone as DHT can dramatically help gains.

    With the estrogen blockers, you need to be really careful, as you do with all these substances. If you lower your estrogen to low you can create all kinds of nasty side effects, loss of libido, depression, mood swings, joint pain, cognitive issues, etc. There are some asinine sites that will tell you that a course of Femera will produce the same effect as 250 mg of testosterone per week. Don't buy into that shit, it will just mess you up.

    Bottom line on all this is, you need to research, research, research before you even remotely consider something like this. You are taking prescription drugs and controlled substances to create unnatural changes in the body. Done incorrectly you can cause yourself a world of hurt.

    To boost your testosterone naturally start with a testosterone producing diet. Avoid all alcohol and smoking, lift regularly with enough intensity and volume. For supplementation make sure you are eating enough or taking a vitamin that contains enough magnesium and zinc. Avoid super low fat diets they will cut your testosterone like none other. Once you've done absolutely everything you can just with natural changes if you still decide you want to increase them more, try a legal over the counter supplement like ATD which is found in a number of products like Novadex XT by Gaspari. If you make it through that without side effects and you have researched the plunge your considering then do some more research.
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    Feb 05, 2009 3:50 AM GMT
    i was prescribed Androgel about 2 weeks ago for low levels. I friggin love the side effects so far. icon_biggrin.gificon_eek.gif
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    Feb 05, 2009 3:59 AM GMT
    Testim gel sucks. I had women telling me they liked my "cologne" which I thought made me smell like a cheap whore. I couldn't apply it for 2 hours before showering, nor for an hour afterwards, very inconvenient to my daily routine. My doc said my blood levels improved a bit, but I noticed nothing. An expensive waste of money.
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    Feb 05, 2009 4:03 AM GMT
    Playing with your internal chemistry isn't something you casually engage with, I suggest contacting a professional to monitor you and run tests. The long term damage may [read: isn't] worth it.

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    Feb 05, 2009 4:27 AM GMT
    What are the side effects?
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    Feb 05, 2009 4:58 AM GMT
    devilrice80 saidCAN YOU USE THIS AS A SUBSTITUTE TO INCREASE YOUR TESTOSTERONE LEVEL AND SEE SOME ANABOLIC STEROIDS-LIKE RESULTS?

    WHAT ARE THE SIDE-EFFECTS?


    JockSnack2008What are the side effects?


    IT IS TESTOSTERONE. THE SIDE EFFECTS ARE IDENTICAL TO TESTOSTERONE NOT INCLUDING ANY EFFECTS CAUSED BY THE CREAM AROUND THE IMMEDIATE APPLICATION SITE, WHICH MAY INCLUDE MOISTURIZED SKIN AND SMELLING LIKE LOTION OR PLASTIC.

    USING EITHER WITHOUT A PRESCRIPTION IS ILLEGAL AS TESTOSTERONE IS A CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE.

    TESTOSTERONE IS ALSO THE "MOTHER STEROID" AND IS THE BASIS FROM WHICH ALL OTHER ANABOLIC STEROIDS ARE CHEMICALLY DERIVED. THUS, YOU WILL SEE ANABOLIC STEROID-LIKE RESULTS BECAUSE IT IS THE ORIGINAL ANABOLIC STEROID.

    KEEP IN MIND, YOU MUST MAINTAIN A DIET ABUNDANT IN CALORIES IN ORDER TO SEE ANY ANABOLIC RESULTS.

    USE GOOGLE NEXT TIME AND TURN OFF YOUR CAPS-LOCK.
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    Feb 05, 2009 5:02 AM GMT
    It's Androgel, kids, unless someone is spinning off some other crap with a fucked up name.

    Androgel is very pricey, and very weak, and not all that effective.

    A better solution is to have your doctor prescribe a compounded solution of EMU and testosterone base, and it'll be 1/10 of cost.

    Understand, anything from a health food store is NOT regulated nor tested by the FDA, or USDA, so they can make whatever claims they want, for the most part.

    I used to have an Androgel prescription, but, it's $300.00 an month, and not very effective. My test in EMU is so much better and is only $42.00 a month.

    The makers of Androgel are milking it in a major way.

    Don't forget that testosterone is an AAS, and is naturally occurring in your body. You have to take large amounts to run into side effects. It is after all, what makes you a man, and, of course, nothing could be more natural than testosterone. The side effects are easily managed, however, and they are transitory in nature.

    There are a very wide range of positive effects from responsible use of testosterone. A general sense of well being is experienced by most.

    You may wish to study the meaning of the word "steroid" so that you can speak of it in an intelligent way in the future.

    Good luck!
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    Feb 05, 2009 5:20 AM GMT
    What is EMU? I'll be seeing the doctor who prescribed the ineffective Testim for me next week. I'd be glad to suggest something else.
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    Feb 05, 2009 5:30 AM GMT
    I've taken time to provide you link for EMU lotion / oil here.

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&fkt=998&fsdt=2382&q=emu+lotion&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=

    Tell the doc you'd like test base 10% in EMU lotion, compounded.
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    Feb 05, 2009 5:56 AM GMT
    more advice from the google twinsicon_rolleyes.gif
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    Feb 05, 2009 6:28 AM GMT
    I only guys i know that have you used it for a period of time get kinda deformed ...bloated abdomen and thicked bone structure around the forehead
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    Feb 05, 2009 6:32 AM GMT
    MikemikeMike saidmore advice from the google twinsicon_rolleyes.gif


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    Feb 05, 2009 6:36 AM GMT
    Alpha13 saidI only guys i know that have you used it for a period of time get kinda deformed ...bloated abdomen and thicked bone structure around the forehead


    LOL. That's agromegaly and it's a growth hormone disorder. It's not really related to testosterone.

    A lack of calories will cause abdominal distention, E.g. starving folks.