Bulking without losing sight of my abs

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    Jul 10, 2012 1:00 AM GMT
    Is this possible? I want to have awesome abs for taking slutty RJ photos, but I am also trying to put on size. I have made strength gains but am afraid I will lose the cut look in the process. What can I do to maximize gains without looking like I'm becoming a fatty?
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    Jul 10, 2012 3:21 AM GMT
    I've been the dictionary-definition "hard gainer" all my life. And alas, my personal experience is, if you're getting bigger, you're gaining both muscle and fat. And the male body stores fat in the middle first - so the six-pack is the first to go. So you lift heavy and eat big to gain size and weight; then you diet off the fat - and, of course, some of the muscle will go with it, but if you don't diet down too fast, then you won't lose much of that hard-gained muscle. I'm afraid that's the way the body operates. If anybody's got different experience, I'd be thrilled to hear about it.
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    Jul 10, 2012 10:38 AM GMT
    ChoklitDaddy saidI've been the dictionary-definition "hard gainer" all my life. And alas, my personal experience is, if you're getting bigger, you're gaining both muscle and fat. And the male body stores fat in the middle first - so the six-pack is the first to go. So you lift heavy and eat big to gain size and weight; then you diet off the fat - and, of course, some of the muscle will go with it, but if you don't diet down too fast, then you won't lose much of that hard-gained muscle. I'm afraid that's the way the body operates. If anybody's got different experience, I'd be thrilled to hear about it.


    Amen to that.
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    Jul 10, 2012 11:40 AM GMT
    The six pack is just the cherry on top of the cake in my opinion - much more important to concentrate on the cake, and then you can get the six pack back when you reach your target size.

    That's my excuse for not having a six pack anyway! Mind you, my bulking is going way too slowly at the moment too!
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    Jul 10, 2012 9:05 PM GMT
    You might try cutting carbs once a week. When I do that the fat just stays gone.

    Not sure if that effects bulking though.
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    Jul 10, 2012 9:10 PM GMT
    Firebrand I want to have awesome abs for taking slutty RJ photos


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    Jul 10, 2012 9:11 PM GMT
    You'll have to forgo abs until you are done bulking.
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    Jul 10, 2012 9:13 PM GMT
    Same problem here, I've thought about doing a dirty bulk to get a ton of mass but I can't stand the sight of fat.

    I would advise "clean bulking" - it's probably about ten times harder and aggravating because it's hard to get in 6-7k calories from chicken, brown rice, and broccoli...but it's definitely not going to pack on the fat like a dirty bulk would.

    I also do High-Intensity-Interval-Training (HIIT) 2-3 times a week to burn off some fat. I feel like it's just enough cardio to cut down the fat, but not enough to hinder your goal to get bigger.
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    Jul 10, 2012 9:15 PM GMT
    Slutty RJ photos... I LOVE IT! lol
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    Jul 10, 2012 9:18 PM GMT
    http://www.leangains.com/
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    Jul 10, 2012 9:20 PM GMT
    Just to reiterate a few members here, its hard to gain bulk without adding some fat. As a form of supplement, Up Your Mass (or Up Your Ass as I like to call it) was a great weight gainer that added on an additional 1000 calories a day (when taken 2x a day). There was not a whole lot of fat/carbs so I did not gain too much around my gut. I gained close to 11 pounds on this stuff.
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    Jul 10, 2012 9:20 PM GMT
    If you take steroids it's easy. Guys get simultaneously huge and ripped. Off of the juice it's possible in THEORY (eating enough calories to gain muscle, but not so much to not accumulate fat. This magical number is apparently practically impossible to achieve for pretty much everyone except those blessed with magical genes).

    tl;dr nah not really achievable
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    Jul 10, 2012 9:21 PM GMT
    smthjock saidJust to reiterate a few members here, its hard to gain bulk without adding some fat. As a form of supplement, Up Your Mass (or Up Your Ass as I like to call it) was a great weight gainer that added on an additional 1000 calories a day (when taken 2x a day). There was not a whole lot of fat/carbs so I did not gain too much around my gut. I gained close to 11 pounds on this stuff.


    I use that stuff as well. I've gained about 10 lbs in the last 5 weeks.
  • MisterT

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    Jul 10, 2012 9:28 PM GMT
    It's very difficult but possible.

    I'm an endo-mesomorph, easy gainer. I can add mass relatively easily, not all lean of course, but is difficult for me to burn off the fat. I have to keep tabs on the lean mass I gain along with the muscle mass, because it's far too easy for me to gain too much fat. I just finished a gaining cycle, certainly looking soft around the edges, now starting to concentrate on cutting the fat for a few weeks.

    Eating very clean along with the proper workout program can yield you a higher lean mass gain with very little fat gain, to keep pretty lean, though you may lose a little definition, it wouldn't take as much at the end of your mass gain cycle to get truly ripped again. Working with a RDA can help you with your specific goal of keeping lean during bulking.
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    Jul 11, 2012 2:59 PM GMT
    msuNtx said
    smthjock saidJust to reiterate a few members here, its hard to gain bulk without adding some fat. As a form of supplement, Up Your Mass (or Up Your Ass as I like to call it) was a great weight gainer that added on an additional 1000 calories a day (when taken 2x a day). There was not a whole lot of fat/carbs so I did not gain too much around my gut. I gained close to 11 pounds on this stuff.


    I use that stuff as well. I've gained about 10 lbs in the last 5 weeks.


    10lbs of muscle or combo of muscle/fat?
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    Jul 11, 2012 3:01 PM GMT
    How often do you all work your abs?i
    Hear different answers a lot so just wondering.
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    Jul 11, 2012 3:06 PM GMT
    k3l3k0 said
    Firebrand I want to have awesome abs for taking slutty RJ photos


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    Do you hug your mom with those abs?
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    Jul 11, 2012 3:15 PM GMT
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    ChoklitDaddy saidI've been the dictionary-definition "hard gainer" all my life. And alas, my personal experience is, if you're getting bigger, you're gaining both muscle and fat. And the male body stores fat in the middle first - so the six-pack is the first to go. So you lift heavy and eat big to gain size and weight; then you diet off the fat - and, of course, some of the muscle will go with it, but if you don't diet down too fast, then you won't lose much of that hard-gained muscle. I'm afraid that's the way the body operates. If anybody's got different experience, I'd be thrilled to hear about it.


    Amen to that.


    Yup, I'm the same.
    I struggle with the op's issue myself... I whine a lot about being a hardgainer, and I am, but truthfully I could probably put muscle on if I didn't freak out so hard at losing my definition...
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Jul 11, 2012 3:29 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidYou might try cutting carbs once a week. When I do that the fat just stays gone.

    Not sure if that effects bulking though.



    Most the guys I know who have incredibly lean but muscular builds do exactly the opposite -- only have carbs once a week, or if they do on other days it is only healthy carbs eaten early in the day.
  • Jasonblue

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    Jul 11, 2012 3:33 PM GMT
    I'm using the pro complex gainer, works great for lean gains. The first thing to go were my abs though. I wouldn't worry about it, just get to your desired size and cut.
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    Jul 11, 2012 4:10 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    HottJoe saidYou might try cutting carbs once a week. When I do that the fat just stays gone.

    Not sure if that effects bulking though.



    Most the guys I know who have incredibly lean but muscular builds do exactly the opposite -- only have carbs once a week, or if they do on other days it is only healthy carbs eaten early in the day.


    I got the advice from a men's fitness magazine and it worked for me. It's not the only rule I follow though. I eat at least one bag of frozen vegetables everyday with eggs or chicken and make protein shakes. A lot of what I do for my skin involves food too....
  • mybud

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    Jul 11, 2012 4:20 PM GMT
    Dude...Bulking is a process...give your abs a chance to catch up with the rest of your body..Hit the weights hard, over time you'll see the fruits of your labor..You have the kind of build most strive for..Minimal fat short term...Massive gains later...All the best
  • rf_dal

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    Jul 11, 2012 4:33 PM GMT
    Abs are made in the kitchen

    pf008 saidHow often do you all work your abs?i
    Hear different answers a lot so just wondering.
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    Jul 11, 2012 4:34 PM GMT
    Pure saidThe six pack is just the cherry on top of the cake in my opinion - much more important to concentrate on the cake, and then you can get the six pack back when you reach your target size.

    That's my excuse for not having a six pack anyway! Mind you, my bulking is going way too slowly at the moment too!


    Mmmmmm....cake... And this is why I'll never have defined abs. Haha
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    Jul 26, 2012 1:15 AM GMT
    For the guys experienced with bullking and cutting, do you keep tabs on your body fat % when bulking? How high do you let your body fat % get before deciding to end the bulking cycle.

    I was aiming to get my body fat to the single digits but decided arms, chest and everything else was looking way too scrawny when I got down to about 12%. Now, I'm trying to gain weight but wonder how high I should let the body fat get before trying to cut again?