"Church Cancels Memorial for Gay Vet"

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    Aug 12, 2007 6:52 AM GMT
    Have a look at this:

    http://news.aol.com/story/ar/_a/church-cancels-memorial-for-gay-vet/20070811110009990001?ncid=NWS00010000000001

    I thought the Chruch was supposed to show compassion for all...
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    Aug 12, 2007 2:26 PM GMT
    As a Christian, this infuriates me, and I would never be part of a church that would do this. My church, the Episcopal church, works hard to be a welcoming community. My pastor has agreed to perform my marriage (should the need come up).

    I think the megachurch phenomenon is empty and shallow, and I hope that those who truly want to follow Jesus will find their way to more mainline, compassionate congregations like the United Methodists, United Church of Christ, Evangelical Lutherans, American Baptists, the Episcopal Church, etc.
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    Aug 12, 2007 2:51 PM GMT
    People can be so narrow minded. :-(

    I think it's stupid. Like I said : "God and religions are two separate things".
  • liftordie

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    Aug 12, 2007 5:17 PM GMT
    unfortunately organized religion does not always live up to what it preaches. if you stop and think about it, relgion basically promotes seperatism. we are us and we are good and u are bad becasue u are u and you are not us!!! maybe that is why i have not stepped foot in a church in almost 3 decades. we are all god's children no matter what are differences are!!
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    Aug 12, 2007 5:33 PM GMT
    Agree with Liftordie..

    You have just described the ideology of "The Others"...

    This concept of exclusion is basically the foundation of all other ideologies of intolerance, hate, and biggotry, from racism to facsism...
  • MikePhilPerez

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    Aug 12, 2007 9:25 PM GMT
    This does not surprise me one bit. Please everyone on this site, go to the link in NYCMusc4Musc post and vote. I think it would be a great support to the family.

    Mike
  • GQjock

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    Aug 12, 2007 9:56 PM GMT
    This is just the sort of thing that makes me very anti-religious
    It's basically God sanctioned discrimination with organ music
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    Aug 12, 2007 11:14 PM GMT
    I think next year's pride celebrations should include a "moment of retaliaion" event. Fill churches with hundreds of gays and lesbians just after feeding them beans and onions which should be consumed just before services at said church.
  • liftordie

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    Aug 13, 2007 12:00 AM GMT
    FART ON MCGAY
  • GeorgeNJ

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    Aug 13, 2007 2:50 AM GMT
    Like some of the people who commented above, I no longer have any respect for organized religions, which presume to know -- with absolute certitude -- what God thinks and wants. In the final analysis, it comes down to intellectual arrogance, which allows no room for compassion and love.

    NYC M4M, after about 30 or 35 years of deep involvement in my own (roman catholic) faith, I have arrived at the painful conclusion that it is the stuff of the dreams of innocent children to think that a church is the home of unconditional love and acceptance. Sadly, it isn't. (This is not to say there are no loving individuals in these churches.)

    I do not see the structures getting better. Rather, I see them slipping backwards into a dangerous kind of radical fundamentalism which is intolerant of -- and threatened by -- disagreement. When followers of such religions attempt to rationalize their hate and even violence, I am reminded of a line from Isaiah 5:20:

    "Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil;
    who substitute darkness for light
    and light for darkness,
    who substitute bitter for sweet
    and sweet for bitter."
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    Aug 13, 2007 6:12 AM GMT
    That is pretty scary.. It sounds more like occult culture to me...
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    Aug 13, 2007 7:01 AM GMT
    No matter one's feelings about religion, Isaiah is certainly a character worth exploring. In many ways still relevant today, still a voice crying in the wilderness. And honestly how many cultures keep around such a critic and negative redering of their situation? Definately a complex and tragic character.
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    Aug 13, 2007 10:38 AM GMT
    http://www.pamshouseblend.com/ has a post about this and lists the reasons that workers from the church gave to the family for cancelling the service. The reasons changed and the church didn't just come right out with it at first.
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    Aug 13, 2007 6:08 PM GMT
    What ever happend to the Christian saying, "Hate the sin, but love the sinner"?
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    Aug 13, 2007 6:45 PM GMT
    Hey I am not even Christian, but I LOVE sinners (well, the gay type)! Bring them on!
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    Aug 13, 2007 9:10 PM GMT
    Religions may have something to do with god, but churches usually have something to do with who is in and who is out. So what can you expect?

    "Hate the sin, but love the sinner," sounds like something well meaning, but I don't like it. To me it sounds like "Love fish, but kill anything that breathes water."

    Once you define me by a characteristic you hate (a most insulting thing to do), you have got to be weird to "Love" me.

    It is the same weird logic that led Christian fanatics to burn people they called heretics at the stake. The flames would purify the heretic's soul so he could go to heaven.

    Helping me get to heaven that way is a favor I would rather do without.
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    Aug 13, 2007 9:31 PM GMT
    I grew up in the Lutheran church (side note: it was the ELCA--Evangelical Lutheran Church of America, which ironically is actually the more liberal form of Lutheran synods) and I was pretty happily participative even through college.
    Even though I'm now a born-again atheist, I'm still happy that the ELCA made a decision just last week to not punish non-celibate pastors. Granted, they didn't change policy forbidding the practice just yet, but it was a pretty huge leap to take. It was a local Atlanta pastor that was grabbing the national headlines recently on this subject.
    From the ELCA web site:
    "RESOLVED, that in an effort to continue
    as a church in moral deliberation without
    further strife and pain to its members, the
    Churchwide Assembly prays, urges, and
    encourages synods, synodical bishops, and
    the presiding bishop to refrain from or
    demonstrate restraint in disciplining those
    congregations and persons who call into the
    rostered ministry otherwise-qualified
    candidates who are in a mutual, chaste, and
    faithful committed same-gender relationship;
    and be it further
    RESOLVED, that the Churchwide
    Assembly prays, urges, and encourages
    synods, synodical bishops, and the
    presiding bishop to refrain from or
    demonstrate restraint in disciplining those
    rostered leaders in a mutual, chaste, and
    faithful committed same-gender relationship
    who have been called and rostered in this
    church."
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    Aug 14, 2007 3:55 PM GMT
    I am not someone who is very religious, I believe in god but i don't really give a damn about religion. All it is is a way of life that was made so that certaine people come to power and teaches people how to be scared. My theory is god does not really care of our decisions and there is no heaven nor hell. the church does condemn gay people and always have so honestly what happend does not really surprise me. It's like gay marrage, I don't see why some one who is gay whould want to get married in a church. If you want to get married in the house of god go and do it in the woods, you're much closer to god there then in an expensive building.
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    Aug 19, 2007 12:05 AM GMT
    Yeah, I was appalled about this, and as a writer for a blog network had to write a post about it, too. It's just so, well, un-Christ-like. And so homophobic. You can find it if you want at www.currenteventswatch.com. I'm just glad others are upset about it, too.
  • dantoujours

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    Aug 20, 2007 11:50 PM GMT
    My roommate is an openly gay Episcopal priest who is in a relationship and out to his congregation who treat his partner like any spouse. It's sad that this man's family went through this, but there are many gay friendly parishes around.
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    Aug 21, 2007 12:14 AM GMT
    Hey NYCMusc4Musc, thanks for bring this issue to my/our attention.

    The facts speak to the judgementality of the Human Race - evolution is still in progress folks - hang on it might BE A WHILE til the hetro-sexuals understand and appreciate the diversity and uniqueness of HUMAN BEINGS.

    That poor sister in the acticle must be sick, and my heart goes out to her(HUGS).

    This should also remind my fellow gay friends out their to be careful in this great world we live in; we will be discriminated against when living and deceased!