Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) - 'A Fire Sale for Foreign Corporations'. TTIP is dead. TPP will not be ratified thanks in part to Republicans

  • metta

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    Jul 11, 2012 12:12 AM GMT
    TPP Final

    https://ustr.gov/trade-agreements/free-trade-agreements/trans-pacific-partnership/tpp-full-text

    Read the TPP
    https://www.readthetpp.com/

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    Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP)

    America the Beautiful: A Fire Sale for Foreign Corporations


    " the trade agreement would give unprecedented political authority and legal protection to foreign corporations. Specifically, TPP would

    (1) severely limit regulation of foreign corporations operating within US boundaries, giving them greater rights than domestic firms;

    (2) extend incentives for US firms to move investments and jobs to lower-wage countries; and

    (3) establish an alternative legal system that gives foreign corporations and investors new rights to circumvent US courts and laws, allowing them to sue the US government before foreign tribunals and demand compensation for lost revenue due to US laws they claim undermine their TPP privileges or their investment "expectations."

    "But 26 of the 28 chapters of this agreement have nothing to do with trade. "

    http://truth-out.org/news/item/10195-america-the-beautiful-a-fire-sale-for-foreign-corporations
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    Jul 11, 2012 8:55 PM GMT
    This piece of crap didn't pass did it ?
  • metta

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    Jul 11, 2012 9:08 PM GMT
    It is still in negotiations

    US: 'Important Progress' at Pacific Trade Talks
    http://www.voanews.com/content/us_official_pacific_trade_talks_progress/1403312.html


    US, Pacific Rim nations end round of trade talks


    http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/07/10/3374051/us-pacific-rim-nations-end-round.html
  • metta

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    Jan 12, 2014 7:24 PM GMT
    Bill Moyers on why the Trans-Pacific Partnership free trade agreement is death for democracy

    http://americablog.com/2013/11/bill-moyers-trans-pacific-partnership-free-trade-agreement-death-democracy.html

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    Jan 13, 2014 5:37 AM GMT
    shhh, they don't want you to know about the shit that really matters, FOX, CNN and MSNBC will never cover it
  • PolitiMAC

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    Jan 13, 2014 6:23 AM GMT
    Ok, so what are the pros? Just so we know the WHOLE picture, and not just one side.

    I say that because Australia has had the same thing before and is currently trying to get a free trade agreement with China.
  • Apparition

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    Jan 13, 2014 6:54 AM GMT
    PolitiNerd saidOk, so what are the pros? Just so we know the WHOLE picture, and not just one side.

    I say that because Australia has had the same thing before and is currently trying to get a free trade agreement with China.


    australia sells rocks from isolated places with no life for a living...it doesnt really matter who buys them as long as they keep paying. There are no consequences, it is hard to screw up a 10 million square mile desert.
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    Jan 13, 2014 8:32 AM GMT
    PolitiNerd saidOk, so what are the pros? Just so we know the WHOLE picture, and not just one side.

    I say that because Australia has had the same thing before and is currently trying to get a free trade agreement with China.


    If there were any pros to average citizens, they would be debating it in public. But no, it's a secret bullshit treaty to enhance corporate power and bypass sovereign and local laws - fuck these crooked assholes.
  • PolitiMAC

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    Jan 13, 2014 10:28 AM GMT
    Indeed, and that's why the Coalition is carefully negotiating it. However, the payoff may end up favouring China in certain respects (no plain packaging for cigarettes), but I have confidence that it shall be negotiated for the same standard that both New Zealand and Australia have enjoyed icon_biggrin.gif
  • metta

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    Jan 15, 2014 11:55 PM GMT
    WikiLeaks Exposes What Obama's Secret Trade Deal Would Do To The Environment










    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/15/tpp-environment_n_4602727.html
  • metta

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    May 07, 2014 7:44 PM GMT
    PRO-GAY BOYCOTT AGAINST BRUNEI-OWNED HOTEL CHAIN COULD DISRUPT INTERNATIONAL TRADE AGREEMENT

    http://www.towleroad.com/2014/05/pro-gay-boycott-against-brunei-owned-hotel-chain-could-disrupt-international-trade-agreement.html
  • metta

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    May 15, 2014 7:35 PM GMT
    Elizabeth Warren Reveals Inside Details of Trade Talks

    “I actually have had supporters of the deal say to me ‘They have to be secret, because if the American people knew what was actually in them, they would be opposed.’”

    http://www.thenation.com/blog/179885/elizabeth-warren-reveals-inside-details-trade-talks
  • tj85016

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    May 16, 2014 12:43 AM GMT
    metta8 saidElizabeth Warren Reveals Inside Details of Trade Talks

    “I actually have had supporters of the deal say to me ‘They have to be secret, because if the American people knew what was actually in them, they would be opposed.’”

    http://www.thenation.com/blog/179885/elizabeth-warren-reveals-inside-details-trade-talks


    LMAO I was opposed to it 2 years ago, fuck all these idiots and their secret negotiations
  • metta

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    Apr 22, 2015 6:02 PM GMT
    Elizabeth Warren lashes back at Obama on trade agenda

    "The Administration says I’m wrong — that there’s nothing to worry about," Warren wrote. "They say the deal is nearly done, and they are making a lot of promises about how the deal will affect workers, the environment, and human rights. Promises — but people like you can’t see the actual deal."



    http://thehill.com/policy/finance/trade/239695-warren-lashes-back-at-obama-on-trade
  • Svnw688

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    Apr 22, 2015 7:24 PM GMT
    Secrecy is generally a bad thing in politics.
  • tj85016

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    Apr 23, 2015 3:13 PM GMT
    Svnw688 saidSecrecy is generally a bad thing in politics.


    exactly, as if US or Australian labor is going to compete with some poor slob in Vietnam making $0.65 an hour - another downward leg for wages in the US on tap

    but Obama will sell out the US for cheap labor in China, Malaysia and Mexico
  • Hypertrophile

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    Apr 23, 2015 3:42 PM GMT
    I read comments by one House representative in favor of Fast Track stating that we don't need 435 negotiators involved in foreign policy.

    Unless it isn't in support of their ideology is the unspoken part of the message.
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    Apr 23, 2015 4:26 PM GMT


    Our Conserv Federal Gov't has done this, effective Oct 1st last year. I thinbk you'll find it's not a political party to blame nearly as much as corporate coersion.

    Canada:

    'Canadian governments are locked in for a generation. If Canada finds the deal unsatisfactory, it cannot be cancelled completely for 31 years.
    China benefits much more than Canada, because of a clause allowing existing restrictions in each country to stay in place. Chinese companies get to play on a relatively level field in Canada, while maintaining wildly arbitrary practices and rules for Canadian companies in China.
    Chinese companies will be able to seek redress against any laws passed by any level of government in Canada which threaten their profits. Australia has decided not to enter FIPA agreements specifically because they allow powerful corporations to challenge legislation on social, environmental and economic issues. Chinese companies investing heavily in Canadian energy will be able seek billions in compensation if their projects are hampered by provincial laws on issues such as environmental concerns or First Nations rights, for example.
    Cases will be decided by a panel of professional arbitrators, and may be kept secret at the discretion of the sued party. This extraordinary provision reflects an aversion to transparency and public debate common to the Harper cabinet and the Chinese politburo.
    Differences between FIPA and the North American Free Trade Agreement may offer intriguing loopholes for American lawyers to argue for equal treatment under the principle of Most Favoured Nation.'

    ...what a mess.
  • tj85016

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    Apr 23, 2015 4:34 PM GMT
    I'm so tired of these shitty, two bit politicians selling out their countries in the name of international equality and corporate greed - I've watched this crap since Nixon/Bush opened up China

    I say fuck Malaysia, fuck India, fuck China
  • tazzari

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    Apr 23, 2015 5:38 PM GMT
    The treaty will be a horrible blow for the environment. I urge you to read Naomi Klein's This Changes Everything - Capitalism vs the Climate. There's not much time left to halt, let alone reverse, pollution, devastation of the land and still more privileging of corporations and those who control them - let alone climate change. This treaty is a disaster in every respect.
  • metta

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    Apr 25, 2015 6:12 PM GMT
    Warren to Obama: Stop making 'untrue' trade claims

    "The feud between Obama and the left continued Saturday, when Warren and Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio) called on the president to immediately declassify the negotiating terms of a pending trade deal with a host of nations known as the Trans-Pacific Partnership."

    http://thehill.com/policy/finance/240068-warren-to-obama-stop-making-untrue-trade-claims
  • Hypertrophile

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    Apr 26, 2015 4:39 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    metta8 saidElizabeth Warren lashes back at Obama on trade agenda

    "The Administration says I’m wrong — that there’s nothing to worry about," Warren wrote. "They say the deal is nearly done, and they are making a lot of promises about how the deal will affect workers, the environment, and human rights. Promises — but people like you can’t see the actual deal."



    http://thehill.com/policy/finance/trade/239695-warren-lashes-back-at-obama-on-trade


    Boo hoo.

    Obamacare: "We have to pass the bill before you can see what's in it."

    Obamanet: "The FCC will vote to pass it and then let you see what's in it."

    It's just more of the same from YOUR Democrat party Ms. Warren.



    But for this issue it is of no concern to you that the GOP has given up their rights and given carte blanche to the socialist, fascist, Kenyan man-child?
  • tj85016

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    Apr 26, 2015 5:35 PM GMT
    tazzari saidThe treaty will be a horrible blow for the environment. I urge you to read Naomi Klein's This Changes Everything - Capitalism vs the Climate. There's not much time left to halt, let alone reverse, pollution, devastation of the land and still more privileging of corporations and those who control them - let alone climate change. This treaty is a disaster in every respect.


    unfortunately that takes a back seat to Apple selling their shitty Chinese phones to the Vietnamese who make $140 a week
  • Hypertrophile

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    Apr 26, 2015 9:31 PM GMT
    No confusion. You're all up in arms over the apparent lack of transparency by the administration over Obamacare, Net Neutrality, and the Iran nuke talks, and cheering on the GOP as they do all they can to stymie everything on the president's agenda, except this. On this issue you support the GOP backing off and giving Obama free reign. Can you explain yourself?
  • metta

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    Apr 30, 2015 7:43 PM GMT
    Watch Rep. Alan Grayson (D-Fla.) Make The Case For Why Obama's New Free Trade Deal Would Be Awful For America


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/29/alan-grayson-free-trade_n_7175160.html