NCAA Must Give Death Penalty To Penn State - sports commentator opinion piece

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    Jul 11, 2012 6:20 PM GMT
    http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/48126484/ns/sports-college_football/
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    Jul 11, 2012 9:24 PM GMT
    they should but they won't. The cult at Penn State wants to pretend it did not happen. It was a massive cover up from the top down
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    Jul 11, 2012 9:28 PM GMT
    They won't which is sad. They should really take them out of bowls, and other championships for at least 5 years.

    This punishes students who had nothing to do with it, BUT, it proves the point that a school (no matter how much money) can NOT get away with doing this. I still find it shocking that school officials would rather have covered it up for the sake of their football program, rather than do what is morally correct.
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    Jul 12, 2012 12:49 AM GMT
    The article is interesting. I agree, innocent until proven guilty, as far as Paterno is concerned. However I completely agree. This is not a simple, someone gave money, food, cars, strippers etc to an athlete. We are talking about children that could have been saved from a lifetime of shame, pain, and emotional trauma if the higher ups had done something about it. I do not care how much care about JoePa, if he used his position to cover it up, it is disgraceful and abhorrent.
    I have worked with children who were victim of sexual abuse and there is no way for me to convey what they feel especially when they become teenagers.
    I have no sympathy for Joe Paterno as far as what is known so far.
    I hope this becomes a lesson to all of the other programs, SEC especially since it seems it is going into the direction where the football coaches run the damn universities.
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    Jul 12, 2012 12:58 AM GMT
    The Death Penalty, for at least two years, is a good start. Also, forfeiture of all wins and awards dating back to 1994 when this disgusting mess began.

    The University needs to clean house. Period.
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    Jul 12, 2012 1:00 AM GMT
    I agree with the above. It was pretty disgusting when this all surfaced to see students riot over Paterno's firing...we idolize athletic institutions far too greatly.
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    Jul 12, 2012 1:51 AM GMT
    jerseywoof saidthey should but they won't. The cult at Penn State wants to pretend it did not happen. It was a massive cover up from the top down

    And don't forget the State prosecutor who mysteriously disappeared during an earlier investigation, his fate still unknown. This could be criminal beyond the wildest fiction.
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    Jul 12, 2012 2:02 AM GMT
    Every last person involved in protecting the pervert should be fired. Period.

    The NCAA should ban them from football, as a matter of character, for having a lack of character, and having their priorities so fucked up.

    Look at what they have become.

    It's disgusting.
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    Jul 12, 2012 2:03 AM GMT
    Penn St should not receive the death penalty. The student athletes did nothing wrong and therefore should not be punished. Giving the death penalty shows nothing other than the NCAA is just power crazy. If the NCAA does anything it should require Penn State Athletics to require volunteer hours from its students. Make it an emphasis to volunteer at women's centers and children centers.
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    Jul 12, 2012 2:17 AM GMT
    Joe Paterno is dead. Jerry Sandusky is in prison for the rest of his life and the two school officials who covered this up are soon going to join him in jail. A new head coach has taken over the program. There's no reason to give the program the death penalty at this point.
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    Jul 12, 2012 2:26 AM GMT
    Penn State needs to be made an example of. If the student athletes have to suffer, so be it. It's certainly not suffering to the degree that Sandusky's victims did (do). The cover up of these kind of things needs to stop. Hello Catholic Church!
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    Jul 12, 2012 2:27 AM GMT
    msuNtx saidPenn St should not receive the death penalty. The student athletes did nothing wrong and therefore should not be punished. Giving the death penalty shows nothing other than the NCAA is just power crazy. If the NCAA does anything it should require Penn State Athletics to require volunteer hours from its students. Make it an emphasis to volunteer at women's centers and children centers.

    Your proposal contradicts itself.

    "The student athletes did nothing wrong and therefore should not be punished."

    "If the NCAA does anything it should require Penn State Athletics to require volunteer hours from its students."


    HUH??? Aren't mandatory volunteer hours a punishment? And how does that punish the administration that permitted this crime against children to continue?

    Penn State students appear to have done nothing wrong, that was never alleged. The latest allegations are against senior school administrators, and the program they ran for profit, ignoring crimes against children, that might have reflected badly on the football operation.

    Sorry, but if the football program benefited from decisions to protect it at the price of child molestations continuing, then the football program must pay the penalty. And that decision, that trade-off, was apparently made by those in official charge of the program.

    Therefore, in the search for justice, that program cannot be allowed to continue unpunished, lest such crimes be copied in the future. That makes upholding the integrity of college sports everyone's business, not just those who might personally face prosecution.
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    Jul 12, 2012 2:32 AM GMT
    msuNtx saidPenn St should not receive the death penalty. The student athletes did nothing wrong and therefore should not be punished. Giving the death penalty shows nothing other than the NCAA is just power crazy. If the NCAA does anything it should require Penn State Athletics to require volunteer hours from its students. Make it an emphasis to volunteer at women's centers and children centers.



    Student-athletes are just that -- students and athletes. They can study anywhere and be athletes anywhere, also.

    The school needs to clean house and be penalized accordingly. IMHO.
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    Jul 12, 2012 2:37 AM GMT
    I grew up in New Jersey and I've always hated Penn State, but this is a legal issue - not an NCAA issue. Since these aren't recruiting violations they fall totally out of the NCAA's jurisdiction. I do think it will cost them many, many millions of dollars in settlements and the University's reputation is shot.
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    Jul 12, 2012 2:40 AM GMT
    I hate being the church lady saying "can someone think of the children?"
    If the allegations are true, I am sorry for the athletes and everyone else who has been making millions in Penn state football, but the school has to be made an example.
    As far as the athletes, there are other programs in the US. I am sure the NCAA can do something to help them find a program to continue their education...oh wait that's not the reason why they went to college to begin with.
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    Jul 12, 2012 2:42 AM GMT
    Fuck you Art...

    WE ARE PENN STATE!


    FIGHT ON!


    The University has already been punished... Joe Paterno was used as a scapegoat and his reputation was shat on- while the rest of the fuckheads walk away relatively undamaged...

    The kids have closure... The University is already shamed... The Athletes had no part of this. What's done is done or isn't it enough for you, you feckless thug?

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    Jul 12, 2012 2:49 AM GMT
    Death Penalty is not happening. I don't see anything else that the NCAA could do that would be fair.or could prove a point. The old administration is gone and Joe Pa is dead. Penn State has already donated millions of dollars to child abuse advocacy. Use the past months as a learning lesson, Use the Penn State name as a main advocate for Child Abuse. You can't change the past but you sure as hell can help in the future.

    No punishment will equal or repay what those boys went through. The events that have taken place have done plenty of damage to Penn State without doing anything further.

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    Jul 12, 2012 3:01 AM GMT
    graniteknighte saidFuck you Art...

    WE ARE PENN STATE!

    FIGHT ON!

    The University has already been punished... Joe Paterno was used as a scapegoat and his reputation was shat on- while the rest of the fuckheads walk away relatively undamaged...

    The kids have closure... The University is already shamed... The Athletes had no part of this. What's done is done or isn't it enough for you, you feckless thug?

    What a perfectly appropriate example of a sophomoric response, from someone who is about the right age to actually be a Sophomore.

    Time and maturity may teach you more than your schooling evidently has to this point. When your ethics are defined by mindless team cheerleading, it's your ethics that go down to defeat.
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    Jul 12, 2012 3:08 AM GMT
    graniteknighte saidFuck you Art...

    WE ARE PENN STATE!


    FIGHT ON!


    The University has already been punished... Joe Paterno was used as a scapegoat and his reputation was shat on- while the rest of the fuckheads walk away relatively undamaged...

    The kids have closure... The University is already shamed... The Athletes had no part of this. What's done is done or isn't it enough for you, you feckless thug?



    What a terrible response.
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    Jul 12, 2012 3:10 AM GMT
    waccamatt saidI grew up in New Jersey and I've always hated Penn State, but this is a legal issue - not an NCAA issue. Since these aren't recruiting violations they fall totally out of the NCAA's jurisdiction. I do think it will cost them many, many millions of dollars in settlements and the University's reputation is shot.


    Thanks wccamatt for being the voice of reason here.

    This IS a legal issue, not an NCAA issue. If this were NOT a football coach, but lets say the head of the Communications department that did this would the NCAA kill the school's communications school? No. You punish the people involved, legally and ethically, make amends to those who were directly affected (as whatever that could constitute, I leave that to a court or those better suited than me to debate) build a new program to make sure this never happens again and move on.

    Interestingly, Penn State recently announced that their donations from alumni have gone through the roof, because, as any alumni from any school would do, we want to see the school grow from this. As a Nittany Lion, I am proud of my school, of its storied accomplishments through the years and I am vehemently outraged that this happened. I am glad Spanier is gone, Sandusky is in jail and am certain that the investigations will dole out punishment and changes.

    But to punish an entire system, an entire network of hundreds of thousands of people, of students who had nothing to say, nothing to do with this is absurd. The students and alumni of Penn State have actually risen up and raised money for child abuse victims, they've made a difference and laid a strong foundation to try to right wrongs done behind their backs and to ensure that this doesn't happen to other kids at Penn State or anywhere else for that matter.

    Those who love the university have acted admirably and proactively in the face of such terrible acts. I would hope that if this happened anywhere else the alumni and staff of those places would do the same.

    Finally, I think this points to a larger issue at whole in sports in general. The failure of so many to act leads me to believe that this kind of thing happens more often than collegiate, high school, or professional sports would like to think about. That it may be an endemic problem across many institutions that is only being brought to the forefront because it happened at Penn State.
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    Jul 12, 2012 3:12 AM GMT
    irishkcguy saidJoe Paterno is dead. Jerry Sandusky is in prison for the rest of his life and the two school officials who covered this up are soon going to join him in jail. A new head coach has taken over the program. There's no reason to give the program the death penalty at this point.



    except there is more to the coverup than just that. For starters lets talk about the lack of institutional control at PSU....a culture where it is acceptable to put football above all us
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    Jul 12, 2012 3:15 AM GMT
    wow reading a few of the responses saying everything is okay..are you kidding me.

    this ran deep at PSU. The emails in the case are quite damaging.

    Its not about punishing the students and athletes and alums...and if you are an athlete you dont have to go there, its about making the administration accountable for their actions

    and to the last poster...no covering up molesting and anal rape of boys and allowing the perpetrator access to your university is not going on at all schools. Look Im not naive, there is bad shit going around all over, but what happened is beyond anything else that has ever happened. If anything Penn State is getting off lighter than if it happend at a school who is not as prominent in sports.
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    Jul 12, 2012 3:45 AM GMT
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    waccamatt saidI grew up in New Jersey and I've always hated Penn State, but this is a legal issue - not an NCAA issue. Since these aren't recruiting violations they fall totally out of the NCAA's jurisdiction. I do think it will cost them many, many millions of dollars in settlements and the University's reputation is shot.


    Thanks wccamatt for being the voice of reason here.

    This IS a legal issue, not an NCAA issue. If this were NOT a football coach, but lets say the head of the Communications department that did this would the NCAA kill the school's communications school? No. You punish the people involved, legally and ethically, make amends to those who were directly affected (as whatever that could constitute, I leave that to a court or those better suited than me to debate) build a new program to make sure this never happens again and move on.

    Interestingly, Penn State recently announced that their donations from alumni have gone through the roof, because, as any alumni from any school would do, we want to see the school grow from this. As a Nittany Lion, I am proud of my school, of its storied accomplishments through the years and I am vehemently outraged that this happened. I am glad Spanier is gone, Sandusky is in jail and am certain that the investigations will dole out punishment and changes.

    But to punish an entire system, an entire network of hundreds of thousands of people, of students who had nothing to say, nothing to do with this is absurd. The students and alumni of Penn State have actually risen up and raised money for child abuse victims, they've made a difference and laid a strong foundation to try to right wrongs done behind their backs and to ensure that this doesn't happen to other kids at Penn State or anywhere else for that matter.

    Those who love the university have acted admirably and proactively in the face of such terrible acts. I would hope that if this happened anywhere else the alumni and staff of those places would do the same.

    Finally, I think this points to a larger issue at whole in sports in general. The failure of so many to act leads me to believe that this kind of thing happens more often than collegiate, high school, or professional sports would like to think about. That it may be an endemic problem across many institutions that is only being brought to the forefront because it happened at Penn State.


    Also a PSU alumnus and former athlete there (swimming). Yes, it is a shame, yes, punish the people involved, but don't think that their actions have anything to do with the excellent research institution it is, its student-athletes, its students, its alumni from years past, and all the other collateral defamation of name going on.

    PSU has one of the best LGBTA centers that ever existed in the US, and it is much more than just football.
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    Jul 12, 2012 4:14 AM GMT
    Someone please tell me where in the reports did it state that the football team had anything to do with the Sandusky situation?

    Trying to show the school a lesson will not help them try and regain what is already lost.

    Do not take this out on the students who had nothing to do with it.



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    Jul 12, 2012 4:42 AM GMT
    I'm sorry, but I disagree with you here. I am always hesitant to join a mob when they are crying out for execution of a criminal and all of those connected to that criminal. Based on my understanding and reading of history, especially American history, when the mob mentality takes over, justice and righteousness are often abandoned. Just ask (if you could) the many thousands of black males who were lynched in the American south earlier in the country's history when the mob got together and decided to kill everyone (they thought irrationally was guilty of what ever crime they, the mob, decided on). All of the rational thinking people were forgotten or ignored, or they themselve were swept up in the blood thirst of the vampires of the mob (most of whom had their own agendas while they were the leaders manipulating the mob of ignorant folks), if there were any at the time, and the animalistic beast nature of humans ruled. Sandusky will be punished for his crimes. Penn State has already taken a hit for it's ignorance or negligence. What else does the mob want from the people? Just a thought from a rational thinking person in the heat of the mob's moment in it's thirst for blood!