Status Conscious?

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    Aug 05, 2008 11:43 PM GMT
    Status conscious social-climbers: I kind of understand this behavior and mindset among the "breeders," as most of that lot intend to, or already have children and would like to see their children "advantaged." It always seemed kind of silly, to me, for gay men to be so preoccuppied with grasping for a particular status that will ultimately be overshadowed by their implicit gayness?
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    Aug 06, 2008 12:34 AM GMT
    It's not clear what sort of status you're referring to.

    The status of class and money has no reference to sexual preference. Neither does the status of good manners or breeding, or the status of power in the workplace.

    Are you saying that because we don't have to impress the womenfolk that we are not driven to acquire status for some of the reasons that the straight men do?
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    Aug 06, 2008 1:17 AM GMT
    Because Capitalism only applies to heterosexual people....rrriiiiggghhhtttt...
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    Aug 06, 2008 1:56 AM GMT
    Well, I thought the expression "Status conscious social-climbers" was descriptive enough to begin a discussion. In any case, what people do for their children versus themselves is what I'm curious about.
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    Aug 06, 2008 2:03 AM GMT
    I agree. I think gay men tend to be even more status conscious than straight folk. I think part of this probably stems from our perceived need to overcompensate for some perceived lacking in ourselves, call it "internalized homophobia."

    Many gay men feel the need to have and possess as much as they possibly can to prove (usually to parents, but to society as well) that they are not just as good, but better than their straight brothers and sisters or the heterosexual offspring of their parent's friends.

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    Aug 06, 2008 2:24 AM GMT
    It just seems to me that heterosexuals frequently seem to have child-centered agendas in the backs of their minds as they plot ways to "marry up" and piggyback ahead. I can kind of understand that because there's some promise of continuity. What for us, but a gold-plated coffin as reward for our efforts?
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    Aug 06, 2008 2:28 AM GMT
    I do intend to have children some day, and though status per se doesn't factor in, I do intend to give them the most comfortable life I can.

    Even if I weren't to have children, I want me to live the most comfortable life possible. I do believe it's possible for us to have the same intentions and motivations as straight folks. It's naive at best and malicious at worst to assume our priorities are so far afield, though I'll also agree that BigSETXjock's argument makes sense too, for some.
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    Aug 06, 2008 2:53 AM GMT
    Since One was born an aristocrat, thanks to my str8 breeding and successful Forefathers. So status has never been an issue for One.

    It's like being born into old money, you don't care about it, and I don't either.

    So not having a need for status, One has been able to go into work, where One gives to the community; more people benefit from My deeds than I. But this is a common trend for Royals and aristocrats of today.

    But you are right so many of the gay community do seek status, and try to move up the social, and economic ladder, via their work. Yet One has found so may of these people resent that One was born with status, and it's a status you can not get from high grades at school, or via your job. it's from Ones Forefathers being Noblemen.

    Old money smells much better than new, and we seem too treat people better, than new money does; less pretenses, and less focus on status.

    Oh One has the Swedish Royals, and Bavarian Royals too on One family tree, thus Queen Victoria too.
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    Aug 06, 2008 2:56 AM GMT
    Status can be many things, if you know the correct diva of the week, the "newest" gay anthem, even to what you call yourself.

    Face it guys, the first three questions you ask or are asked are, What is your name? Where do you live? What you Driving? The first one is unseful, the last two are just a means to guage your status.
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    Aug 06, 2008 3:09 AM GMT
    muchmorethanmuscle saidI love reading Pattison's posts. I feel like I'm multilingual when I read his posts. I can read and write in English, Spanish and just give me a few more years and I will understand Pattison English perfectly.
    One was in Hawaii not so long ago. One found it so intriguing, that that so many yanks (not all) found One had to understand. many found it cute too.

    But One talks Aussie English. This is not the same as American English, and we both fucked up the Queens English, nor is it the same as the Queens English.

    Spanish, and other are not even close. There you go, you have a new challenge. But since One does not work for Hollywood, not American TV. One does not have too take on the american accent, or grammar too apease Americans, whom seem too have a lot of trouble understanding anything other than American English!

    But thanks, One is not a sheep, and feels no need too follow. But No-one here has any trouble.icon_wink.gif
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    Aug 06, 2008 3:51 AM GMT
    joeindallas makes a valid point. i admit i get around to asking a guy where he lives and what he does.
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    Aug 06, 2008 2:09 PM GMT
    The only status I want to achieve is a reasonably sane, functioning and fully alive human being.
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    Aug 06, 2008 2:35 PM GMT
    What can I say? It's just so much better to be Supreme World Leader. icon_twisted.gif
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    Aug 06, 2008 8:39 PM GMT
    Explain to me how ones sexuality would effect the universal desire for wealth? Everyone wants to be rich, that's why people are so obsessed with money and put people with money up on a pedestal.

    I live in north Dallas, which is arguably one of the most image conscious areas, outside of LA, and have to admit, that certain things are important.

    What you drive, what you wear, where you hang out, etc. This is even more pronounced in the gay community, and since gays have more disposable income per capita than your average straight person, I don't see anything wrong with conspicuous consumption.