Was Arafat given radiation poisoning?

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    Jul 12, 2012 3:09 AM GMT
    If so who do you suspect? (The flame wars should contribute to global warming.). Personally, I think the Russians did it since (1) they did it in London too and (2) they could see that they couldn't control Arafat.
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    Jul 12, 2012 3:40 AM GMT
    Really? Endless rants about other things in the area, but nothing for this?
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    Jul 12, 2012 4:11 AM GMT
    Some people who endlessly stalk me and attempt to bully me into silence don't know what they think until I speak up.
    Then they just start screaming any nonsense they can to drown out everything else.
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    Jul 12, 2012 5:50 AM GMT
    swimguychicago saidReally? Endless rants about other things in the area, but nothing for this?


    Because Russia wouldn't have anything to gain from killing Arafat.

    Israel, on the other hand....

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    Jul 12, 2012 7:49 AM GMT
    Has anyone listened to and watched the AlJazeera investigation of Arafats death and possible poisoning ?

    The Specialists doing the investigation in Europe are pretty sure he was poisoned, There are several statements from Sherron and I believe I read the other was from Olmert (sp? that referenced killing Arafat. That however isn't proof that Sherron ordered it. But its quite well documented that Arafat wouldn't be the first person 'off'd' who was on Israels Mossad list for death. Maybe if we could ask Iranian Scientists they could tell us a few things, but they're gone.

    Be sure to look up the AlJazeera interviews Vid on this subject.
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    Jul 12, 2012 8:15 AM GMT
    Wolverine4 saidSome people who endlessly stalk me and attempt to bully me into silence don't know what they think until I speak up.
    Then they just start screaming any nonsense they can to drown out everything else.




    LIL'AIPAC (W4), YOU ONLY GET WHAT YOUR TACTICS AND BELITTLING AS GOYIM OF ALL THAT DISAGREE WITH YOU 'BEGS' FOR.

    PLEASE DO END THE SILENCE AND ANSWER THE QUESTION YOU'VE BEEN AVOIDING.

    By the way, the questions aren't nonsense, but you keep ignoring them for some reason. Such as why the hypocrisy of your belief that Palestinians homeland is in Jordan, not on their generational and historical land in the West Bank. and how do you put that together with stating out of the other side of your mouth that you're supposedly for the Clinton Parameters supporting a homeland for Palestinians in the West Bank.

    Since you brought it up, what was that about 'nonsense' ? Seems like when you talk 'nonsense' out of both sides of your mouth, that you should be confronted because you can't have it both ways. We still patiently await your explainations of such nonsense.
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    Back to the subject, I just did some more reading and Israel's leadership made it quite obvious that they wanted rid of Arafat, but again, that's not proof of anything. Tomorrow I'll post some articles.
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    Jul 12, 2012 1:49 PM GMT
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    swimguychicago saidReally? Endless rants about other things in the area, but nothing for this?


    Because Russia wouldn't have anything to gain from killing Arafat.

    Israel, on the other hand....



    Possibly, but Arafat was no longer listening to his Russian advisors...

    (Also its unclear that Israel, or anyone besides Russia, has the technology to deliver a polonium pellet.)
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    Jul 12, 2012 3:00 PM GMT
    How quickly does polonium kill someone?
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    Jul 12, 2012 3:58 PM GMT
    Pouncer said
    swimguychicago saidWas Arafat given radiation poisoning?




    We can only hope so.
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    Jul 12, 2012 4:06 PM GMT
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    Al Jazeera: ‘Test reports suggests Yasser Arafat was poisoned with Polonium’

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    Yasser Arafat was poisoned with Polonium?

    A nine-month investigation suggests that the late Palestinian leader may have been poisoned with polonium. It was a scene that riveted the world for weeks: The ailing Yasser Arafat, first besieged by Israeli tanks in his Ramallah compound, then shuttled to Paris, where he spent his final days undergoing a barrage of medical tests in a French military hospital.

    Eight years after his death, it remains a mystery exactly what killed the longtime Palestinian leader. Tests conducted in Paris found no obvious traces of poison in Arafat’s system. Rumors abound about what might have killed him – cancer, cirrhosis of the liver, even allegations that he was infected with HIV.

    A nine-month investigation by Al Jazeera has revealed that none of those rumors were true: Arafat was in good health until he suddenly fell ill on October 12, 2004.

    More importantly, tests reveal that Arafat’s final personal belongings – his clothes, his toothbrush, even his iconic kaffiyeh – contained abnormal levels of polonium, a rare, highly radioactive element. Those personal effects, which were analyzed at the Institut de Radiophysique in Lausanne, Switzerland, were variously stained with Arafat’s blood, sweat, saliva and urine. The tests carried out on those samples suggested that there was a high level of polonium inside his body when he died.

    “I can confirm to you that we measured an unexplained, elevated amount of unsupported polonium-210 in the belongings of Mr. Arafat that contained stains of biological fluids,” said Dr. Francois Bochud, the director of the institute.

    The findings have led Suha Arafat, his widow, to ask the Palestinian Authority to exhume her late husband’s body from its grave in Ramallah. If tests show that Arafat’s bones contain high levels of polonium, it would be more conclusive proof that he was poisoned, doctors say.

    “I know the Palestinian Authority has been trying to discover what Yasser died from,” Suha Arafat said in an interview. “And now we are helping them. We have very substantial, very important results.”
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    Jul 12, 2012 4:35 PM GMT
    There are far more effective ways to "off" someone. Using Polonium comes to pass when those involved want to pass a message. Arafat has been gone for what now, two years? Seems a little late for this revalation to me.
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    Jul 12, 2012 4:40 PM GMT
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    swimguychicago saidWas Arafat given radiation poisoning?


    Surely not. Israel operates squarely within the bounds of international law don't you know?


    swimguychicago saidIf so who do you suspect? (The flame wars should contribute to global warming.). Personally, I think the Russians did it since (1) they did it in London too and (2) they could see that they couldn't control Arafat.


    ROTFL.




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    Well Pouncer, I'm sure you, like me, are glad to see this topic brought up because its a very important topic to further understand the obvious fact that "everything we are told here in the US is always different in reality where Israel is involved"

    There is an obvious (ISRAELI LOBBY AIPAC) vested interest in keeping down facts that exposes the truth on any negatives about Israel's Occupation and illegal settlement programs, because keeping Israel in a good light KEEPS THAT MONEY GOING to their coffers. Arafat was a huge block wall interferring with the Israels occupation and Settlements, he was too loud and too recognized worldwide for exposing the truth. on the other side of the coin though he is blamed for the intafada which isn't something to be proud of even though the Palestinians were fightng for their rights.



    Swimguychicago, you'll see here that as with most 'genteel' US society we (especillay the far right) are conditioned to avoid the 'indellicate' subject of Israels actions, because exposing their negative actions involving the Occupation through any criticism at all, is "Anti Isreal", "Siding with the enemies of Zion", "Jew Hatred", "seeking the distruction of Isreal" "Anti Semitic"(never mind that Palestinians are Semitic) and the additional accustions flow like water to shut down criticism. Just read our own RJ Israeli Apologist above LIL'AIPAC's (W4) missives on numerous topics and name calling thrown at all who disagree with his one sided Israeli Propaganda.

    GOOD ON YOU for going against the typical Israeli Lobby programing by bringing this up
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    Jul 12, 2012 4:50 PM GMT
    How quickly does polonium kill someone?

    Conspiracy Theorists> [silence]

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    Jul 12, 2012 4:57 PM GMT
    conservativejock saidThere are far more effective ways to "off" someone. Using Polonium comes to pass when those involved want to pass a message. Arafat has been gone for what now, two years? Seems a little late for this revalation to me.




    Coverups were handled well when this occured, so it stands to reason that exposure of facts takes a long time. 8 years is short in the whole skeem of things, expecially when there is so much money and effort expended on keeping facts away from the publics eyes. Israels Lobby AIPAC does a great job at that, but now the Internet is forwarding facts and cutting way back on AIPAC Propaganda effectiveness.


    Take a read on all the Apologists efforts already underway in our media to discredit those who expose any facts from the investigation. Israel's Propaganda machine is in high gear right now in spite of how many experts from Europe were involved in finding the Polonium poisoning.
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    Jul 12, 2012 5:04 PM GMT
    Wolverine4 saidHow quickly does polonium kill someone?

    Conspiracy Theorists> [silence]




    HMMM !!! Silence meets your silence on questions above-isn't that right LIL'AIPAC ?






    The conspiracy theory came from Israels propaganda machine very close to the death of Arafat and that was that Arafat died of AIDES.

    Now we are dealing in facts as discovered by European Scientists who have a reputation to maintain by only exposing facts, in this case the facts are that Polonium was discovered in high volume even on his clothes.

    By the way, these scientists also despeled Israeli Conspiracy Theory that Arafat died of Aides.
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    Jul 12, 2012 5:09 PM GMT
    Conspiracy theorists are averse to facts, even when it comes from their own source:

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/03/us-palestinians-arafat-idUSBRE8621CL20120703

    Darcy Christen, spokesman for the Institut de Radiophysique in Lausanne, Switzerland, told Reuters on Tuesday it had found "surprisingly" high levels of polonium-210 in Arafat's belongings.

    But he stressed that clinical symptoms described in Arafat's medical reports were not consistent with polonium-210

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    Jul 12, 2012 6:30 PM GMT
    Wolverine4 saidConspiracy theorists are averse to facts, even when it comes from their own source:

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/03/us-palestinians-arafat-idUSBRE8621CL20120703

    Darcy Christen, spokesman for the Institut de Radiophysique in Lausanne, Switzerland, told Reuters on Tuesday it had found "surprisingly" high levels of polonium-210 in Arafat's belongings.

    But he stressed that clinical symptoms described in Arafat's medical reports were not consistent with polonium-210





    Still ignoring LIL'AIPAC, The 'CONSPIRACY THEORY' was put out by Israel when Arafat died, that he had died of AIDES, that has been dispelled.
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    from the HOT AIR report.The obligatory “Did Arafat die of polonium poisoning?” post


    posted at 7:01 pm on July 5, 2012 by Allahpundit


    -----“I can confirm to you that we measured an unexplained, elevated amount of unsupported polonium-210 in the belongings of Mr. Arafat that contained stains of biological fluids,” said Dr. Francois Bochud, the director of the institute…
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    There is little scientific consensus about the symptoms of polonium poisoning, mostly because there are so few recorded cases. Litvinenko suffered severe diarrhea, weight loss, and vomiting, all of which were symptoms Arafat exhibited in the days and weeks after he initially fell ill.
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    Here's the "CONSPIRACY THEORY" FROM THE FAR RIGHT ISRAELI'S

    If you believe Arafat’s wife, she’s been storing his belongings at her lawyer’s office. Not sure why they’d be kept there in any container that might generate trace amounts of polonium as a byproduct, but there you go. Three: Arafat’s wife, or someone else with her permission, planted the polonium more recently to make it look like he’d been assassinated. The problem with that theory is that polonium’s not easy to come by. One of the reasons Israel’s a prime suspect is that it’s a nuclear state and has access to this element. The Palestinians could have gotten it on the black market, I guess, or maybe from their friends in Iran. But even then, why now and why Arafat? There are a million ways Israel’s enemies can frame it for bad behavior and none of them involve an extremely rare radioactive element and a guy who’s been dead since Bush’s first term. This seems like a long way to go to create bad PR for “the Zionist entity.”

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    Yasser Arafat Poisoned With Pollonium 210 Thom Hartmann program


    (DAILY KOS) Breaking: Arafat's Widow Requests Exhumation to Test for Polonium in Body
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    Yasser Arafat died mysteriously with gastrointestinal symptoms that could not be explained or cured. He suddenly went from being a very healthy 75 year old to incurably ill. Rumors abounded that he died of cirrhosis of the liver or AIDS but Al Jazeera's investigation, involving medical experts, showed that there was no evidence what so ever of disease. When tests for the usual suspects in the death of a 75 year old failed, Al Jazeera pressed on to tests for more exotic causes. They were shocked when a Swiss laboratory with expertise in counting for alpha particles discovered uncontrovertible evidence of deadly Polonium-210 on Arafat's personal effects.

    In nature, Polonium-210 is found at low levels, generally in "secular" equilibrium with Radium-222, which is produced by the decay of Uranium-238 and its "daughters". Marie Curie and early nuclear scientists concentrated radium and polonium from pitchblende (U3Oicon_cool.gif uranium ore, but such processing is highly dangerous because of radon gas and radiation exposure. However, if Bismuth-209 is put into a nuclear reactor with a high neutron flux, it will produce copious quantities of Bismuth-210 which undergoes beta decay to Polonium-210 with a half life of about 5 days. Large amounts of polonium-210 are hard to handle because the recoil of alpha decay tends to scatter polonium atoms throughout the local environment, but if properly contained, it can be handled without special shielding because alpha particles have very shallow penetration into tissues. Skin offers protection from contained alpha sources.

    However, if ingested into the intestinal tract, Polonium-210's high rate of production of alpha particles will rapidly destroy the gut from within. High amounts of radioactive energy are rapidly deposited in the intestinal tract, making Polonium-210 one of the most deadly poisons on earth when ingested.

    Arafat suffered a range of gastrointestinal symptoms consistent with Polonium-210 poisoning.

    The Swiss investigators found that 80% of the Polonium-210 they discovered was not associated with radium or uranium, indicating it was not natural. That is strong evidence that Arafat was poisoned if their tests can be confirmed by examining the body.

    More investigation will be required to determine who poisoned Arafat if tests prove positive. Access to a nuclear reactor with a high neutron flux, and sophisticated knowledge of nuclear materials handling, would have been needed to pull off such a bold poisoning.

    More importantly, tests reveal that Arafat’s final personal belongings – his clothes, his toothbrush, even his iconic kaffiyeh – contained abnormal levels of polonium, a rare, highly radioactive element. Those personal effects, which were analyzed at the Institut de Radiophysique in Lausanne, Switzerland, were variously stained with Arafat’s blood, sweat, saliva and urine. The tests carried out on those samples suggested that there was a high level of polonium inside his body when he died.

    “I can confirm to you that we measured an unexplained, elevated amount of unsupported polonium-210 in the belongings of Mr. Arafat that contained stains of biological fluids,” said Dr. Francois Bochud, the director of the institute.

    The findings have led Suha Arafat, his widow, to ask the Palestinian Authority to exhume her late husband’s body from its grave in Ramallah. If tests show that Arafat’s bones contain high levels of polonium, it would be more conclusive proof that he was poisoned, doctors say.

    “I know the Palestinian Authority has been trying to discover what Yasser died from,” Suha Arafat said in an interview. “And now we are helping them. We have very substantial, very important results.”



    When Arafats bones are axamined that will tell the story, for now we know for sure that Polonium was discovered in high volume on his personal effects, Israeli's have promoted quite a few "COMSPIRACY THEORIES" that only further study will prove or disprove. LETS BE GLAD THAT CREDIBLE SCIENTISTS FROM EUROPE AND OUTSIDE OF ISRAEL ARE DOING THE INVESTIGATION, BECAUSE ISRAEL MAY HAVE MUCH TO HIDE. Once the investigation of Arafats Body is completed, then and only then will the full story be told. Lets watch the Apologists like LIL'AIPAC's "CONSPIRACY THEORIES" continue to build and broaden. LOL
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    Jul 12, 2012 7:47 PM GMT
    HMMMMMM ???? Silence from the LIL'AIPAC Israeli propaganda "CONSPIRACY THEORIST" ????
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    Jul 12, 2012 9:15 PM GMT
    realifedad saidHMMMMMM ???? Silence from the LIL'AIPAC Israeli propaganda "CONSPIRACY THEORIST" ????


    Hasbara/ Ta'amula...
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    Jul 12, 2012 10:05 PM GMT
    What more needs to be said when their own source (not selectively quoted) discredits them?

    Conspiracy theorists are averse to facts, even when it comes from their own source:

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/03/us-palestinians-arafat-idUSBRE8621CL20120703
    Darcy Christen, spokesman for the Institut de Radiophysique in Lausanne, Switzerland, told Reuters on Tuesday it had found "surprisingly" high levels of polonium-210 in Arafat's belongings.

    But he stressed that clinical symptoms described in Arafat's medical reports were not consistent with polonium-210


    They can (and will) howl till the cows come home, but it doesn't change this fact.

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    Jul 12, 2012 10:48 PM GMT
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    realifedad saidHMMMMMM ???? Silence from the LIL'AIPAC Israeli propaganda "CONSPIRACY THEORIST" ????


    Hasbara/ Ta'amula...






    HEY !!! LIL'AIPAC, Where's the answers to the questions and points above ?

    You're hurting your own cause.



    Had you read with an open mind you'd have noted that in fairness I attempted to put up both sides, you would also have noticed that my posts don't declare as a fact that Arafat was poisoned by Israel, SO WHAT'S YOUR FUSS ?


    Again, Israel is jumping the gun with all kinds of conspiracy theories, Could they possibly be "PROTESTING TOO MUCH" ??
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    Jul 13, 2012 2:39 AM GMT
    Published on Thursday, July 12, 2012 by Common Dreams
    Are US, France Pressuring Palestinian Authority to Quit Arafat Probe?
    Palestinian officials ‘flip-flop’ over investigation
    - Common Dreams staff (found on Mondoweiss)

    A Palestinian investigation into the mysterious death of former leader Yasser Arafat may be facing serious opposition from the US and France behind closed doors, a Palestinian official warned. Media outlets are now reporting on an apparent ‘flip-flop’ in Palestinian efforts to exhume Arafat’s remains for autopsy.

    Yasser Arafat (Photo: Pedro Ugarte/AFP/Getty Images) A Palestinian official, who remained anonymous, told Chinese news agency Xinhua that the US and others have pressured Palestinian leadership to put an end to the inquiry because it would compromise the Middle East peace process.

    Arafat died in 2004 from an illness that has yet to be explained. Palestinian suspicions have long held that Israel poisoned Arafat. Israel has denied all such charges.

    Earlier this week, Palestinian officials announced that Arafat’s bones would be exhumed. The decision followed a report by Switzerland’s Institute of Radiation Physics that found unexplained and abnormally high levels of polonium-210, a highly radioactive substance, on Arafat’s clothes, toothbrush, kaffiyeh, and other personal belongings.

    But on Thursday officials with the Palestinian Authority looking into Arafat’s death suddenly reversed course. Palestinian Justice Minister Ali Mohanna told a news conference Thursday that a further review of the Swiss lab report will be conducted before a final decision to exhume Arafat’s bones is made. No explanation for the U-turn was offered.

    link to commondreams.org
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    Jul 13, 2012 3:05 AM GMT
    The International Law states that now Israel is responsible for whatever happens to the people over there.
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    Jul 13, 2012 4:39 AM GMT
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/03/us-palestinians-arafat-idUSBRE8621CL20120703
    Darcy Christen, spokesman for the Institut de Radiophysique in Lausanne, Switzerland, told Reuters on Tuesday it had found "surprisingly" high levels of polonium-210 in Arafat's belongings.

    But he stressed that clinical symptoms described in Arafat's medical reports were not consistent with polonium-210


    Does anyone, outside of the handful of lunatic anti-Israeli haters, see a reason to believe that Arafat died of PO-210 poisoning let alone that such poisoning was by Israel?
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    Jul 13, 2012 7:14 AM GMT
    POOR POOR LIL'AIPAC, isn't reading what his imaginary haters are writing. LOL

    By the way LIL'AIPAC, you're embarassing your cause by your off the point repitition due to your ignoring and refusal to respond. Its really quite funny.



    But since you called someone 'haters' by this statement: "Does anyone, outside of the handful of lunatic anti-Israel haters," EVEN IF WE HAD STATED ARAFAT DEFINATELY DIED BY PO-210, HOW WOULD THAT MAKE ANYONE A HATER ? "see a reason to believe that Arafat died of PO-210 poisoning" WHO HAS STATED UNEQUIVICALLY THAT THEY BELIEVE ISRAEL DID THE POISONING ?? "let alone that such poisoning was by Israel?"

    AND ON WHAT BASIS WOULD YOU CALL ANYONE A "LUNATIC ISRAEL HATER" IF THEY"D ACCUSED ISRAELI LEADERSHIP OF HAVING ARAFAT KILLED ? AFTER ALL THEY DO COME WITH A RECORD AS YOU WELL KNOW. LOL

    LIL'AIPAC, I'm getting the impression from your voluminous statements about being hated that you quite enjoy, thrive and maybe 'love to be hated'. you're quite the victim aren't you. LOL

    You're embarassing your cause, I suggest you read rather than make such obnoxious statements as above to 'IMAGINARY ENEMIES"

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    PA to exhume Arafat's body over poisoning.

    The Palestinian Authority agreed Wednesday to exhume the body of former leader Yasser Arafat (pictured) for an autopsy after a laboratory found high levels of a radioactive substance in his clothes, raising suspicions that he may have been poisoned. "The Authority, as it always has been, is ready to completely cooperate with and clear the way for an investigation into the true causes leading to the martyrdom of the late president," said Nabil Abu Rdeineh, spokesman for Abbas.

    Saeb Erekat, a senior member of the Palestine Liberation Organisation (PLO), told Reuters the exhumation could take place as soon as "religious and family procedures" were complete.

    "If you ask me, it's a matter of a days, not more than a few days," he said. "Then we will be in contact with the Swiss team or any other team that could come and exhume the body."


    ALL IS CONJECTURE UNTILL ARAFAT IS EXHUMED AND HIS BONES STUDIED TO DETERMINE IF HIS BONES SHOW ACTUAL PROOF OF POISONING AS SUGGESTED BY WHAT WAS FOUND ON HIS CLOTHES>