The Real Class Warfare is Baby Boomers Vs. Younger Americans

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    Jul 12, 2012 2:52 PM GMT
    http://reason.com/archives/2012/07/11/the-real-class-warfare-baby-boomers-vs-y

    You’re not getting screwed by billionaires and plutocrats. You’re getting screwed by Mom and Dad.

    Systematically and in all sorts of ways. Old people are doing everything possible to rob you of your money, your future, your dignity, and your freedom.

    Here’s the irony, too (in a sort of Alanis Morissette sense): You’re getting hosed by the very same group that 45 years ago was bitching and moaning about “the generation gap” and how their parents just didn’t understand what really mattered in life. . . .

    So kiddos, you’re getting screwed by old people who expect you to maintain a system that benefits them at your expense, regardless of their needs or yours. Thanks, Mom and Dad! And we just might be in the early stages of a bring-back-the-draft-movement, where you would get to choose between painting military barracks for 18 months or sharpening a teacher’s pencils for two years.

    Then chew on this: One of the primary ways that President Obama (born 1961) is making the so-called Affordable Care Act affordable is by having you foot more than your share of the bill.

    Think it through for a moment, especially given that younger voters seem to really dig him.
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    Jul 12, 2012 3:05 PM GMT
    Right.

    Except that overwhelmingly the Boomers are the ones spearheading the OK to cut you off of oap when your time comes to collect it.

    Here's a tid-bit for you. I spoke directly with a Conserv MP about OAP being denied in future to your generation etc.

    When he found out how old I was , 57, you know what he said?
    He got happily excited and asked wouldn't I be OK with it, though, if it didn't affect me? Rather sourly I told him that
    A) Younger generations are our future and I have a great many younger friends and family.
    B) I and other boomers have payed large amounts of taxes over the years and expect that money to be handled wisely and some kept in trust for those coming after us.

    There is study after study, and I've read other Conservs on here touting it, that boomers overwhelmingly are Conservative, a lot of them starting off liberal when younger and changing as they age.

    This article is making the other conservs on here consummate liars.

    Nice going.


    Btw, have you shown this article to your parents?
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    Jul 12, 2012 3:51 PM GMT

    Well?
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    Jul 12, 2012 3:51 PM GMT

    Well?
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    Jul 12, 2012 4:03 PM GMT
    Fuck boomers, they are the stupidest and laziest generation in history and are raising the most retarded generation of zombies and Ritalin addicted losers ever.
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    Jul 12, 2012 4:06 PM GMT
    meninlove said Right.

    Except that overwhelmingly the Boomers are the ones spearheading the OK to cut you off of oap when your time comes to collect it.

    Here's a tid-bit for you. I spoke directly with a Conserv MP about OAP being denied in future to your generation etc.

    When he found out how old I was , 57, you know what he said?
    He got happily excited and asked wouldn't I be OK with it, though, if it didn't affect me? Rather sourly I told him that
    A) Younger generations are our future and I have a great many younger friends and family.
    B) I and other boomers have payed large amounts of taxes over the years and expect that money to be handled wisely and some kept in trust for those coming after us.

    There is study after study, and I've read other Conservs on here touting it, that boomers overwhelmingly are Conservative, a lot of them starting off liberal when younger and changing as they age.

    This article is making the other conservs on here consummate liars.

    Nice going.


    Btw, have you shown this article to your parents?


    Lol you're so beyond parody - do you really have nothing else to do? I wasn't even at my desk. So as I recall you are the one who said that there isn't a problem with OAS or Social Security. Why would I bother speculating about a supposed conversation you've had with some nameless MP?

    On the issue of "B" - your generation will take out far more than you put into the system. It's my generation that gets screwed in paying for your OAS. I should note as well though OAS isn't nearly as bad as Social Security in the states but that's why Conservatives are trying to push through reforms - which you claimed aren't even necessary. So... well?

    As for my parents - being Asian as they are, they have saved considerably either way along with a few fortunate investments that I am pleased to say that I was responsible for.
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    Jul 12, 2012 4:14 PM GMT
    Well, as expected there is a whole lot of bullshit in your reply.

    Aside from inferring I am a liar about my conversation with an MP, and out of respect for him I'm not posting his name, he himself admitted there's lots of money, boomers are starting to die like flies in on a window sill (in other words oap savings) and that piles of taxes paid by boomers including EI etc that they will never collect, was given to the government at a time when invested tax monies made upwards of 18% interest, so peddle your artful speculation to the gullible.

    Now Socal was one poster who observed most people his age were conservs, or former young liberals who became conservs, so perhaps have a word with him.

    As for your parents, if they are as old as I think they are, they are accepting both OAP and CPP and not refusing it.
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    Jul 12, 2012 4:20 PM GMT
    meninlove said Well, as expected there is a whole lot of bullshit in your reply.

    Aside from inferring I am a liar about my conversation with an MP, and out of respect for him I'm not posting his name, he himself admitted there's lots of money, boomers are starting to die like flies in on a window sill (in other words oap savings) and that piles of taxes paid by boomers including EI etc that they will never collect, was given to the government at a time when invested tax monies made upwards of 18% interest, so peddle your artful speculation to the gullible.

    Now Socal was one poster who observed most people his age were conservs, or former young liberals who became conservs, so perhaps have a word with him.

    As for your parents, if they are as old as I think they are, they are accepting both OAP and CPP and not refusing it.


    Ah - great, you counter supposed "bullshit" with anecdotal hearsay. How is that going for you? I mean you've been repeatedly proven wrong factually on a variety of issues now. You point to invested monies making upwards of 18% only to neglect the fact that the government paid even more to foreign lenders and that inflation was almost just as high at the time and the fact that like Social Security, OAS isn't funded. Do you understand the math? Perhaps you should consider doing so before making a fool of yourself (again).

    I have to ask, do you enjoy feeling embarrassed? Of course my parents are accepting OAS and CPP - why would they not accept it? It doesn't make the program any more sustainable or right. I can't believe anyone let you anywhere near money given how little you understand such basic financial issues.

    I'm curious - do you pay more than what you need to in taxes? Perhaps you should for all the programs you advocate despite the deficits out there.

    What continues to amuse me is that despite the fact you feel that we should be less antagonistic towards each other, and you think that I make assumptions of what you think and believe, you do the same in spades and every time without fail you are too clever by half - which is to say not clever at all (since you need most things spelled out for you). What you think are attacks are just epic failures like your inability to even understand who gets paid minimum wage despite the fact the link was there with everything in it. Not only that but you repeatedly attempt to make things personal bringing my parents into discussions when they barely have any relevancy. In addition to a weird enjoyment of feeling stupid, do you not have any shame?
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    Jul 12, 2012 4:25 PM GMT
    Nope. Still 1% versus 99%.
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    Jul 12, 2012 4:28 PM GMT


    More blah blah blah. Show the article to your parents. I'm sure they will agree with it that they are the problem. icon_rolleyes.gif



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    Jul 12, 2012 4:30 PM GMT
    meninlove said

    More blah blah blah. Show the article to your parents. I'm sure they will agree with it that they are the problem. icon_rolleyes.gif





    Surprise, surprise - shown to be a complete fool when it comes to actually making a substantive argument, you come back with some blithe dismissal. Care to try again? I mean a stopped clock is right two times a day - maybe you'll do better next time icon_lol.gif
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    Jul 12, 2012 4:33 PM GMT


    Show the article to your parents, I'm sure they'll be pleased to know they are ruining things for you.
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    Jul 12, 2012 4:33 PM GMT
    meninlove said

    Show the article to your parents, I'm sure they'll be pleased to know they are ruining things for you.


    Surprise, surprise - shown to be a complete fool when it comes to actually making a substantive argument, you come back with some blithe dismissal. Care to try again? I mean a stopped clock is right two times a day - maybe you'll do better next time icon_lol.gif
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    Jul 12, 2012 7:01 PM GMT
    Riddler, I am going to waste a few minutes on you. I'll probably regret it.

    Is the current healthcare system in Canada sustainable as it is? Yes if taxes are raised, which nobody wants, myself included.

    However the gov't is busy lowering them.

    As well, they cut the Kits coast guard and then announced a waste of 28 million for 1812 war re-enactments, to which you replied some nonsense about high seas rescues.
    Research, young man. It will save you embarrassment.

    You need to up your game and apply your smarts if you really want me to open up.
    Check out maxferguson, who is light-years ahead of you, and whose well thought out, balanced posts I admire.


    I believe in public and private care, and public and private insurance- they can work together. However private insurance in Canada is currently a joke, full of pre-existing conditions clauses and such low refunds and high rates it's rather a worse waste of money than taxation and gov't care from a consumer perspective.
    I believe in P3s, when done correctly and held accountable.

    Check out what we pay for in healthcare here, which you do not in Ontario.
    Yes, what you call free healthcare is not free. Taxes and in our cases here a monthly fee. 60 per single, families up to 4 is about 130

    I'm not nearly as left as you fantasize. I'm much further Right than you can imagine, but I have a conscience.

    I'm not about to disclose people's legal names and titles on here that I'm privileged to speak with, (gov't officials and medical professionals) for obvious reasons, d'oh.

    Putting an article up like that is ageist, crap, and as bad as racism.

    You've received some racist slurs (not from me), but you started it with that person with the ageist slurs.

    Now have a nice day.
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    Jul 12, 2012 11:00 PM GMT
    Notice how riddler will NEVER say this to his 'boomer' parents?



    Never.. no balls, all mouth.
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    Jul 14, 2012 7:06 AM GMT
    Is it any different in Canada or any of the Commonwealth nations?

    And frankly, I don't mind those of the WW2 generation getting good benefits. Without them, we would not be able to even discuss this freely.
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    Jul 14, 2012 8:06 AM GMT
    smartmoney saidFuck boomers, they are the stupidest and laziest generation in history and are raising the most retarded generation of zombies and Ritalin addicted losers ever.
    dude, I am not attacking you at all. Just an observation. In reading your post, you very often have a very negative outlook. Always sayin how something or someone is fucked up. Keep your house and side of the street clean and thing will go a lot better.