Obama campaign accuses Romney of lying about Bain tenure, a possible felony

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    Jul 12, 2012 7:47 PM GMT
    "...the Obama campaign said Thursday that Romney may have misstated his tenure at the helm of Bain Capital and might even have committed a felony by filing false statements with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

    Stephanie Cutter, Obama’s deputy campaign manager, told reporters Thursday that either Romney was misrepresenting his position at Bain to the SEC 'which is a felony, or he was misrepresenting his position at Bain to the American people to avoid responsibility for some of the consequences of his investments. And if that’s the case – if he was lying to American people -- then that’s a real character and trust issue that the American people need to take very seriously.'”


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    http://nbcpolitics.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/12/12703094-obama-campaign-accuses-romney-of-lying-about-bain-tenure?lite
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Jul 12, 2012 8:12 PM GMT
    Yep, the signs of desperation are beginning to show on multiple fronts. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jul 12, 2012 8:20 PM GMT
    Thanks for the bump. In lieu of spin for your candidate Mittens this time, you opted for a little diversion. Unfortunately, this may be too serious for you to laugh it off. This is really too good. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Jul 12, 2012 8:40 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidYep, the signs of desperation are beginning to show on multiple fronts. icon_rolleyes.gif

    Already been refuted and discredited. Dems first brought it up in 2002 and it was discredited. This isn't the first time little Miss Pouting Stephanie has lied. If the Obama team is panicking now, just wait for the ads from the campaign, the party, and all the SuperPACs to attack in a coordinated manner. Will be fun to see Miss Pouter then along with the merry pack of Axlerod, Gibbs, Pflouffe, and the thin skinned man himself. Will be a Brenda popcorn moment.
  • TroyAthlete

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    Jul 12, 2012 8:42 PM GMT
    Game, set, match.

    QUOTE AUTHOR GOES HEREAnd it is possible that, once he left, he no longer had direct input into management decisions. However...

    As "Chairman, CEO, and President" of Bain, he damn well would have remained responsible for these decisions. In which case, saying he had "left" and implying that he had no involvement or responsibility whatsoever is highly misleading.

    The CEO of a car company may not have input into the decision of what specific cars the company makes or where it makes them (though he or she obviously could if s/he wanted), but this CEO is unequivocally responsible for these decisions.

    Similarly, if Romney was CEO of Bain at the time it made the Stericycle decision, as well as the company layoffs and other unpleasant facts that Candidate Romney would like to disown, he certainly was responsible for these decisions...

    Here are the questions that the Romney campaign needs to answer:

    Was Mitt Romney "chairman, CEO, and President" of Bain from 1999-2002 (even if he had physically "left" and was spending 100% of his time running the Olympics)? If the answer is "yes," then Romney is responsible for what Bain did during that period--full stop.

    OR

    Were the filings submitted to the SEC inaccurate?

    The answer to those two questions cannot be "both." It's one or the other.


    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/sorry-mitt-romney-you-cant-be-chairman-ceo-and-president-of-a-company-and-not-be-responsible-for-what-it-does-2012-7#ixzz20RWnKoFb
  • TroyAthlete

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    Jul 12, 2012 8:44 PM GMT
    I can't wait for the sputtering No Comment Romney to try to explain to SEC filings? Romney campaign = flip-flops and lies. Even Business Insider is over him, ha!
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    Jul 12, 2012 8:47 PM GMT
    TroyAthlete saidI can't wait for the sputtering No Comment Romney to try to explain to SEC filings? Romney campaign = flip-flops and lies. Even Business Insider is over him, ha!

    Was already handled years ago. Nothing new except a rehash to divert attention. Just like how they ran with the outsourcing story based on Wash Post even after that was thoroughly debunked. Obama team panic. icon_lol.gif
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    Jul 12, 2012 9:06 PM GMT
    BuzzFeedMitt Romney's campaign manager Matt Rhoades has released a statement calling on President Barack Obama to apologize for his campaign's attacks speculating that Romney could be accused of a felony following today's Boston Globe report examining Romney's separation from Bain Capital.
    “President Obama’s campaign hit a new low today when one of its senior advisers made a reckless and unsubstantiated charge to reporters about Mitt Romney that was so over the top that it calls into question the integrity of their entire campaign," Rhoades said. "President Obama ought to apologize for the out-of-control behavior of his staff, which demeans the office he holds. Campaigns are supposed to be hard fought, but statements like those made by Stephanie Cutter belittle the process and the candidate on whose behalf she works.”


    Calling for an apology. That should scare 'em.

    I think Romney might be running the most pathetic campaign since Dewey.
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    Jul 12, 2012 9:19 PM GMT
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    Was already handled years ago. Nothing new except a rehash to divert attention. Just like how they ran with the outsourcing story based on Wash Post even after that was thoroughly debunked. Obama team panic. icon_lol.gif


    'Handled', as in sidestepped? Okay, let Bain publish meeting minutes and its detailed accounts for the period concerned and let Romney publish his tax returns. Only then will we know who is telling the truth.
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    Jul 12, 2012 10:02 PM GMT
    socalfitness saidObama team panic.

    What I'm seeing is RJ conservaposse panic. icon_cool.gif
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    Jul 12, 2012 10:06 PM GMT
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    socalfitness saidObama team panic.

    What I'm seeing is RJ conservaposse panic. icon_cool.gif

    Nice try:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/mitt-romney-and-his-departure-from-bain/2012/07/12/gJQAASzUfW_blog.html

    FactCheck.Org, July 2, 2012

    If the Obama campaign were correct, Romney would be guilty of a federal felony by certifying on federal financial disclosure forms that he left active management of Bain Capital in February 1999….

    And after reviewing evidence cited by the Obama campaign, we reaffirm our conclusion that Romney left the helm of Bain Capital when he took a leave of absence in 1999 to run the Salt Lake City Organizing Committee for the 2002 Winter Olympics – as he has said repeatedly — and never returned to active management. The Obama campaign’s recent ads thus mislead when they point to investments made by Bain, as well as management decisions made by companies in which Bain invested, after that time.

    What does the Obama campaign have in rebuttal? Very little, and none of it convincing in our judgment.


    Much of the Obama campaign’s letter is devoted to quoting portions of documents filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission. In summary, the letter states there are “at least 63 filings with that agency after March 1, 1999 that list various Bain entities and describe them as ‘wholly owned by W. Mitt Romney.’” That’s true, but not relevant.

    We have never disputed that Romney remained the owner of Bain while he was running the Olympics committee. The issue always has been, who was running Bain? Nothing in the SEC documents contradicts what Romney has certified as true.

    On that point, the Obama campaign cites snippets of a few news clippings to make a case that Romney was still a part-time manager of Bain after he left to run the Olympics. But a close reading shows these news accounts don’t contradict Romney either.


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    http://factcheck.org/2012/07/factcheck-to-obama-camp-your-complaint-is-all-wet/

    FactCheck to Obama Camp: Your Complaint is All Wet and that's their headline

    Poor little pouting Stephanie caught in a lie again.
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    Jul 12, 2012 10:08 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    socalfitness saidObama team panic.

    What I'm seeing is RJ conservaposse panic. icon_cool.gif



    Actually, it's conservaposse bent over in hysterical laughter because clearly you didn't realize what old news this was. It's grasping at straws desperation campaigning at it's finest icon_lol.gif
  • TroyAthlete

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    Jul 12, 2012 10:27 PM GMT
    socalfitness said
    FactCheck to Obama Camp: Your Complaint is All Wet and that's their headline


    Business Insider to FactCheck and Mitt Romney Sorry, Mitt Romney, You Can't Be Chairman, CEO, And President Of A Company And Not Be Responsible For What It Does and that's their headline

    http://www.businessinsider.com/sorry-mitt-romney-you-cant-be-chairman-ceo-and-president-of-a-company-and-not-be-responsible-for-what-it-does-2012-7?op=1
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    Jul 12, 2012 10:29 PM GMT
    TroyAthlete said
    socalfitness said
    FactCheck to Obama Camp: Your Complaint is All Wet and that's their headline


    Business Insider to FactCheck and Mitt Romney Sorry, Mitt Romney, You Can't Be Chairman, CEO, And President Of A Company And Not Be Responsible For What It Does and that's their headline

    http://www.businessinsider.com/sorry-mitt-romney-you-cant-be-chairman-ceo-and-president-of-a-company-and-not-be-responsible-for-what-it-does-2012-7?op=1

    Nothing there that contradicts what was filed. Nothing.
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    Jul 12, 2012 10:33 PM GMT
    socalfitness said
    TroyAthlete said
    socalfitness said
    FactCheck to Obama Camp: Your Complaint is All Wet and that's their headline


    Business Insider to FactCheck and Mitt Romney Sorry, Mitt Romney, You Can't Be Chairman, CEO, And President Of A Company And Not Be Responsible For What It Does and that's their headline

    http://www.businessinsider.com/sorry-mitt-romney-you-cant-be-chairman-ceo-and-president-of-a-company-and-not-be-responsible-for-what-it-does-2012-7?op=1

    Nothing there that contradicts what was filed. Nothing.


    It contradicts Mitt's lame claims that he's not responsible for Bain's job cutting, outsourcing, China-investing, and aborted fetus disposing. Mitt was President, Chairman, CEO, and sole shareholder of a company that engaged in these activities. Why is he running from it?

    Business Insider is right: since Mitt wants to run on his business career he should either own what his company was doing, or admit that he was the most inept, irresponsbile and clueless President, Chairman, and CEO of all time. The whole "I delegated" defense went out with Kenneth Lay.
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    Jul 12, 2012 10:53 PM GMT
    TroyAthlete said
    socalfitness said
    TroyAthlete said
    socalfitness said
    FactCheck to Obama Camp: Your Complaint is All Wet and that's their headline


    Business Insider to FactCheck and Mitt Romney Sorry, Mitt Romney, You Can't Be Chairman, CEO, And President Of A Company And Not Be Responsible For What It Does and that's their headline

    http://www.businessinsider.com/sorry-mitt-romney-you-cant-be-chairman-ceo-and-president-of-a-company-and-not-be-responsible-for-what-it-does-2012-7?op=1

    Nothing there that contradicts what was filed. Nothing.


    It contradicts Mitt's lame claims that he's not responsible for Bain's job cutting, outsourcing, China-investing, and aborted fetus disposing. Mitt was President, Chairman, CEO, and sole shareholder of a company that engaged in these activities. Why is he running from it?

    Business Insider is right: since Mitt wants to run on his business career he should either own what his company was doing, or admit that he was the most inept, irresponsbile and clueless President, Chairman, and CEO of all time. The whole "I delegated" defense went out with Kenneth Lay.




    Hey TA, you're doing a hella good job staying ahead of the Conservaposse.

    GREAT POSTS !!!
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    Jul 12, 2012 11:01 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    Art_Deco said
    socalfitness saidObama team panic.

    What I'm seeing is RJ conservaposse panic. icon_cool.gif



    Actually, it's conservaposse bent over in hysterical laughter because clearly you didn't realize what old news this was. It's grasping at straws desperation campaigning at it's finest icon_lol.gif






    AND YOU REALLY BELIEVE THIS ??


    You wouldn't be an apologist or anything would you ?


    Are you proud, pleased and perfectly satisfied with this guy Romney? is this really who you want to be seen as an apologist for. I mean after all whose back does he have ? yours or the Christian fundi's, TBaggers and birthers like Trump ? Takes a a lot of effort for you to support him doesn't it ?


    Cling to your Ideology CJ, Cling with all you've got in spite of all the facts against your interests.
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    Jul 13, 2012 1:00 AM GMT
    realifedad said
    TroyAthlete said
    socalfitness said
    TroyAthlete said
    socalfitness said
    FactCheck to Obama Camp: Your Complaint is All Wet and that's their headline


    Business Insider to FactCheck and Mitt Romney Sorry, Mitt Romney, You Can't Be Chairman, CEO, And President Of A Company And Not Be Responsible For What It Does and that's their headline

    http://www.businessinsider.com/sorry-mitt-romney-you-cant-be-chairman-ceo-and-president-of-a-company-and-not-be-responsible-for-what-it-does-2012-7?op=1

    Nothing there that contradicts what was filed. Nothing.


    It contradicts Mitt's lame claims that he's not responsible for Bain's job cutting, outsourcing, China-investing, and aborted fetus disposing. Mitt was President, Chairman, CEO, and sole shareholder of a company that engaged in these activities. Why is he running from it?

    Business Insider is right: since Mitt wants to run on his business career he should either own what his company was doing, or admit that he was the most inept, irresponsbile and clueless President, Chairman, and CEO of all time. The whole "I delegated" defense went out with Kenneth Lay.




    Hey TA, you're doing a hella good job staying ahead of the Conservaposse.

    GREAT POSTS !!!


    The right-wing disinformation squad ain't what it used to be.
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    Jul 13, 2012 2:01 AM GMT
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    TroyAthlete saidI can't wait for the sputtering No Comment Romney to try to explain to SEC filings? Romney campaign = flip-flops and lies. Even Business Insider is over him, ha!

    Was already handled years ago. Nothing new except a rehash to divert attention. Just like how they ran with the outsourcing story based on Wash Post even after that was thoroughly debunked. Obama team panic. icon_lol.gif






    Bullshit.
    Mitt has been exposed as a stone cold liar by his own sworn testimony:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2012/07/12/mitt-romney-bain-departure_n_1669006.html?utm_hp_ref=tw

    Romney will be Swiftboated on this from now to November.

    As Troy correctly stated:
    Game, set, match

    Mitt's caught in a web of lies with no way out.
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    Jul 13, 2012 2:07 AM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    socalfitness saidObama team panic.

    What I'm seeing is RJ conservaposse panic. icon_cool.gif




    And they should be panicked.

    Romney has been lying about his work record at Bain for years depending upon what story he needed to tell to suit his needs of the moment.
    Now all those past lies have come back to haunt him.

    He may even have committed a crime by misrepresenting his position at Bain in official filings with the SEC!

    This is major.
  • KissTheSky

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    Jul 13, 2012 2:13 AM GMT
    The first question the media should be asking Romney is how his signature got on the legal documents he submitted to the SEC that he now claims are a lie.
    Lying to the SEC is a felony -- a serious crime, punishable by fines and/or imprisonment.
    He is now apparently claiming that Bain submitted fraudulent documents stating that he was CEO through 2002 -- but somehow his signature is on them. HOW DID IT GET THERE, MITT?

    He claims he "retired" from Bain in 1998, but Bain's own documents to the SEC affirm that he was the owner and CEO through 2002.
    WHICH IS IT?
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    Jul 13, 2012 4:27 AM GMT
    socalfitness said
    TroyAthlete said
    socalfitness said
    FactCheck to Obama Camp: Your Complaint is All Wet and that's their headline


    Business Insider to FactCheck and Mitt Romney Sorry, Mitt Romney, You Can't Be Chairman, CEO, And President Of A Company And Not Be Responsible For What It Does and that's their headline

    http://www.businessinsider.com/sorry-mitt-romney-you-cant-be-chairman-ceo-and-president-of-a-company-and-not-be-responsible-for-what-it-does-2012-7?op=1

    Nothing there that contradicts what was filed. Nothing.
    Uh John.. did you see this little gem? (from that article)

    "And one of the things that Bain did after early 1999, as Dan Primack of Fortune points out, is invest in a company called Stericycle whose services included the disposal of aborted fetuses.

    For obvious reasons, an investment in a company that performed this service might hurt Romney's standing with the right-to-life voters in the Republican party, even though Romney was pro-choice at the time the investment was made."


    Now THAT will hurt HUGELY!icon_wink.gif
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    Jul 13, 2012 5:07 AM GMT
    TropicalMark said
    socalfitness said
    TroyAthlete said
    socalfitness said
    FactCheck to Obama Camp: Your Complaint is All Wet and that's their headline


    Business Insider to FactCheck and Mitt Romney Sorry, Mitt Romney, You Can't Be Chairman, CEO, And President Of A Company And Not Be Responsible For What It Does and that's their headline

    http://www.businessinsider.com/sorry-mitt-romney-you-cant-be-chairman-ceo-and-president-of-a-company-and-not-be-responsible-for-what-it-does-2012-7?op=1

    Nothing there that contradicts what was filed. Nothing.
    Uh John.. did you see this little gem? (from that article)

    "And one of the things that Bain did after early 1999, as Dan Primack of Fortune points out, is invest in a company called Stericycle whose services included the disposal of aborted fetuses.

    For obvious reasons, an investment in a company that performed this service might hurt Romney's standing with the right-to-life voters in the Republican party, even though Romney was pro-choice at the time the investment was made."


    Now THAT will hurt HUGELY!icon_wink.gif





    Even some people who aren't right-wing right-to-lifers will be creeped out by the ghoulish services provided by Stericycle.
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    Jul 13, 2012 5:29 AM GMT
    KissTheSky saidThe first question the media should be asking Romney is how his signature got on the legal documents he submitted to the SEC that he now claims are a lie.
    Lying to the SEC is a felony -- a serious crime, punishable by fines and/or imprisonment.
    He is now apparently claiming that Bain submitted fraudulent documents stating that he was CEO through 2002 -- but somehow his signature is on them. HOW DID IT GET THERE, MITT?

    He claims he "retired" from Bain in 1998, but Bain's own documents to the SEC affirm that he was the owner and CEO through 2002.
    WHICH IS IT?


    You just continue to say that "this has already been debunked."

    That makes it okay.
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    Jul 13, 2012 5:50 AM GMT
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    He claims he "retired" from Bain in 1998, but Bain's own documents to the SEC affirm that he was the owner and CEO through 2002.
    WHICH IS IT?


    Hey Mittens, why u no wanna talk about ur business career?