Israel fears window for Iran attack starting to close, while US urges more patience

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    Jul 14, 2012 5:06 AM GMT

    Israel fears window for Iran attack starting to close, while US urges more patience


    http://www.timesofisrael.com/iranian-nuclear-program-tops-us-israeli-strategic-talks/

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    Jul 14, 2012 2:08 PM GMT
    I'm with this commentors thinking;

    Dan Slaby · Top Commenter · University of Alaska Fairbanks

    Since the Iran bomb issue is so tied to American politics and anti-President Obama, I'm getting to believe that the Iran Bomb scare is not much more than a right-wing political ploy. If Iran is so anti-Jewish, why isn't there persecution of Jews in Iran? President Obama is the best Commander in Chief I have ever known.

    Vietnam Vet, 5th Special Forces, Detachment B-36

    Dan Slaby · Top Commenter · University of Alaska Fairbanks

    A successful strike is wishful thinking. It would only sollidify Iranian resolve to create the bomb and undermine any domestic Iranian opposition to the current regime. There is no knife on Irael's neck other than one held by the right-wing war mongers.


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    Jul 14, 2012 2:27 PM GMT
    This about the background and ownership of "THE TIMES OF ISRAEL"


    "As it turns out, Seth Klarman, another wealthy American Jewish investor, is following in the footsteps of Sheldon Adelson and Ron Lauder in acting on his belief that coverage of Israel within Israel itself is unbalanced and unjustifiably hostile — and that he can do something about it."

    Read more: http://forward.com/articles/152169/the-softspoken-man-behind-times-of-israel/?p=all#ixzz20behrg5C


    When The Times of Israel, a new Web-only, English-language Israeli newspaper, hit the Internet in February, its glossy design and professional graphics moved many to wonder what well-heeled backer might be behind this latest entry into Israel’s crowded media market.



    The Israel Project

    Seth Klarman

    As it turns out, Seth Klarman, another wealthy American Jewish investor, is following in the footsteps of Sheldon Adelson and Ron Lauder in acting on his belief that coverage of Israel within Israel itself is unbalanced and unjustifiably hostile — and that he can do something about it.

    In a statement to readers of the new media outlet, Klarman, the paper’s financial backer, wrote that he would have no editorial control over the publication. But he also made his motives clear.

    “My own interest in Israel has become even stronger post-9/11, when the threat of terrorism and the danger of radical Islam collided with a global campaign on many fronts to delegitimize the Jewish State,” Klarman wrote. “As a longtime student of the history of anti-Semitism, I know this blind hatred is never the fault of Jews….”

    The surprising background fact is that Klarman’s involvement with Israel is basically new. He took his first trip to Israel only seven years ago. But the wealthy investor defies simple categorization. His statement on the paper’s launch seems to toe a familiarly hawkish pro-Israel line. But Klarman also describes himself as an opponent of Israel’s policy of establishing exclusively Jewish settlements on the occupied West Bank, calling it a mistake “from the beginning.”

    I don’t think he’s ideological,” said Barry Shrage, president of Boston’s Jewish federation, the Combined Jewish Philanthropies, to which Klarman has been a major donor. “It doesn’t pay to stereotype this man.”

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    Soft-spoken and publicity shy, Klarman bears little resemblance to more flamboyant Jewish mega-donors. His tone, observed in videos of interviews posted online, is almost professorial. At 54, he’s relatively young. And though he matches other major donors in the scale of his giving — his foundation made more than $20 million in grants in 2010 — Klarman is relatively unknown outside his home Jewish community in Boston. That’s now set to change.

    The mid-February launch of The Times of Israel gains Klarman entry into a small but growing club of prominent American Jews who own Israeli news outlets, among them Adelson, who owns the English and Hebrew daily Israel Today, and Lauder, who is an owner of Israeli television’s Channel 10.

    The Times of Israel is a serious new player in a field crowded by two long-established English-language Israeli newspapers, The Jerusalem Post and Haaretz (with which the Forward maintains a partnership). Klarman’s paper will also compete with American Jewish outlets carrying Israel news, including the Jewish Telegraphic Agency and the Forward.

    The paper gains significant credibility from the involvement of its founder and editor, David Horovitz, former editor of the Israel-based English-language magazine The Jerusalem Report and, most recently, editor of The Jerusalem Post. While The Jerusalem Report was seen as center left and The Jerusalem Post as center right, Horovitz told the Forward that the new publication will be “inclusive. ” He also challenged the characterization of The Jerusalem Post under his editorship as right of center.

    “We are independent; we’re not attached or affiliated with any political party,” Horovitz said of The Times of Israel. “It’s an independent, fair-minded journalistic venture, and I think it’s incredibly important to give people a sense of the options that Israel faces and create an informed and constructive debate.”

    A few weeks into its run, The Times of Israel’s website leads with hard news, but its heart seems to be in its features. Aside from its section on Israel and the Middle East, The Times of Israel features a Jewish travel section, a section on Jewish life worldwide and a section on Israel’s high-tech sector. The paper also has a sprawling op-ed section that invites the public to apply for their own blogs to be hosted, in a Huffington Post-like arrangement, on the paper’s website.


    Read more: http://forward.com/articles/152169/the-softspoken-man-behind-times-of-israel/?p=all#ixzz20bfnoQcj
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    Jul 15, 2012 3:52 AM GMT

    War in August? US sends fourth aircraft carrier and dozens of underwater drones towards Iran

    http://rt.com/usa/news/war-sub-drone-iran-066/
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    Jul 15, 2012 5:47 AM GMT
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    War in August? US sends fourth aircraft carrier and dozens of underwater drones towards Iran

    http://rt.com/usa/news/war-sub-drone-iran-066/


    Force .... it’s the only alternative that these folks will ever understand. Let’s get on with it!
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    Jul 15, 2012 5:55 AM GMT
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    War in August? US sends fourth aircraft carrier and dozens of underwater drones towards Iran

    http://rt.com/usa/news/war-sub-drone-iran-066/






    Did you catch that these sub drone's are $100,000 each and they are a one time shot at doing away with mines primarily. Imagine the cost at that price if there were 1000 and more mines dropped in the water way ?


    The last thing we need is this war Israel is wanting so bad.
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    Jul 16, 2012 11:00 PM GMT
    Clinton: U.S., Israel on the same page regarding Iran

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/clinton-u-s-israel-on-the-same-page-regarding-iran-1.451542

    U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said Monday that the United States and Israel are now on the same page regarding Iran.

    "It's absolutely fair to say that we are on the same page at this moment trying to figure our way forward to have the maximum impact on affecting the decisions that Iran makes," Clinton said during a press conference in Jerusalem.

    Clinton said that the proposals Iran has made on its nuclear program in the P5+1 talks were "non-starters."

    She said that Iran is under more pressure than ever before, and that the U.S. would prefer a diplomatic solution to the issue regarding its controversial nuclear program.

    ...Talking to the press, Clinton said, "It is a time of uncertainty but also of a big opportunity in the region. At times like these friends like us need to work together in a smart, creative and courageous way."
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    Jul 17, 2012 12:14 AM GMT
    HMMMMM !!!! Haaretz News headlines today read;



    Hinting at Iran divisions, Clinton says friends need to work together in 'smart, creative' ways
    U.S. Secretary of State meets with President Peres, Avigdor Lieberman on her first visit to Israel in two years; she will meet with Barak, Netanyahu later Monday.
    By Barak Ravid | Jul.16, 2012 | 12:49 PM | 18



    Headlines on Jewish Daily Forward today read;


    Clinton Hints at Splits With Israel Over Iran

    Kicks Off Trip With Meeting With Shimon Peres

    By Haaretz

    Published July 16, 2012.


    Read more: http://forward.com/articles/159392/clinton-hints-at-splits-with-israel-over-iran/#ixzz20pj1I1V3



    Its a quite well known fact that Israel want war, and soon, anyone trying to push propaganda anything to the contrary can't read.


    Its possilbe that other writers or some 'official' put pressure on certain writers to change the appearance of a difference existing. but facts are that there is now and clearly has been a big differenced. Hense Ari Fleisher's visit to Israel for Dual National Contributions to help fight for Romney against Obama by using the statement that Obama was forcing Israel to make decisions tha are harmful to it. such as holding off on war with Iran and pushing Israel to stop the settlement building.




    What did George Washington have to say about being 'joined' with one nation by taking on their enemies and etc.

    Washington warned against two things. The first, although it was really too late, was the destructive nature of party politics. The second was the danger of foreign alliances. He warned neither to favor one nation too highly over another, and to not ally with others in foreign wars.

    For the next century, while the United States did not steer perfectly clear from foreign alliances and issues, it did adhere to neutrality as the major part of its foreign policy.


    He'd roll over in his grave at some of these Israeli Lobby AIPAC lap dogs saying 'there's no light between us' in reference to the US and Israel.


    We have paid dearly in making for ourselves a great list of enemies for that 'Carte Blanche' /UN VETO approval relationship toward Israel.

    Its had a Isolating influence and a delegimizing influence as far as our standing as a fair peace broker in the Middle East. and who can argue that fact with a straight face.

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    Jul 17, 2012 1:22 AM GMT
    Calling Iran’s Bluff: It’s Time to Offer Tehran a Civilian Nuclear Program
    http://www.tnr.com/print/article/politics/104085/calling-iran%E2%80%99s-bluff-its-time-offer-iran-civilian-nuclear-program

    ...As the talks head toward their third round, there is little indication that it will lead to an outcome that either has the Iranians accepting profound limits on their nuclear program to ensure there is no “break-out” capability or to an interim step that stops the clock as it relates to the Israeli concerns. In fact, the Iranians, contrary to the hopes about economic pressure, seem to be in no hurry. Yes, the Iranians are feeling the impact of economic sanctions and would like them relaxed; that is why they are in the talks. But at this stage, they are demanding tangible economic relief for minimal steps on their part—steps that might freeze 20 percent enrichment and nothing else in their nuclear program. Indeed, the Iranian government seems to have calculated that the prospect of a diplomatic failure will itself act as a pressure on the 5+1. Its diplomatic posture in the Baghdad talks reflected that position and their commentary now in advance of Moscow, particularly in Kayhan—the Iranian newspaper most identified with the Supreme Leader—hardly suggests they will now be any more constructive.

    Herein lies the trap for Washington in the current step-by-step approach. We have said we will not take part in a phony process and that each round of talks must achieve enough to justify another round. So if nothing emerges from Moscow, will we suspend the talks? Iran will be enriching; the clock toward the “zone of immunity” the Israelis fear keeps ticking. The Israeli justification for holding off on a military strike will weaken. True, we could argue that the sanctions need to be given more time to work and bring the Iranians around. But what is the end-point on that? And, unless we are prepared explicitly to tell the Israelis now that they need not strike because we will do so by a certain date, any argument in favor of allowing sanctions to take their course increasingly communicates that we are willing to settle for an outcome in which we contain, rather than prevent, an Iranian nuclear weapons capability. That, of course, is not President Obama’s position. He has stated clearly that our objective is prevention and not containment—and I have no doubt that he means it.

    ...The point is that we can only demonstrate that diplomacy was tried and failed—that we and/or the Israelis were left with no choice but to use force—if we first directly offer to Iran the possibility of a civilian nuclear program. The irony is that the best way to give diplomacy a chance to succeed is for the Iranians to know we are not afraid of diplomacy failing and we are prepared to use force if it does. Indeed, history shows that nothing concentrates the Iranian government's mind like the real prospect of force being used against it. When, in 2003, the Iranians thought they were next after the U.S. military defeated the Iraqi army in three weeks—an army the Iranians could not defeat in eight-and-a-half years—they altered their position and agreed to suspend uranium enrichment. Ultimately, Ali Khamenei’s most important objective is to die in office of natural causes.

    But the first step for the 5+1 will be to move away from the step-by-step approach and to begin focusing on outcomes rather than interim steps. The current incrementalism is a trap that could either force us to walk away from talks prematurely, or continue them in a way that will leave the Israelis believing the 5+1 is dragging out talks to pre-empt the Israeli use of force—a perception that will make it more likely Israel will feel compelled to act, not less. A process geared to clarifying whether a real deal is possible with Iran will require putting a credible proposal on the table. It may take some time to reach agreement with the other members of the 5+1, but once that's done, it will have the benefit of clarifying the actual state of our negotiations with Iran. Best of all, it will signal that we are ready for either outcome: a diplomatic deal, or a diplomatic failure—with all that implies about our readiness to use force.
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    Jul 17, 2012 2:11 AM GMT
    Sabre Rattling from UK, While US State Dept trying to stop Israel from attacking.



    Britain's Intelligence Chief Warns Iran Closing on Bomb, Predicts Israeli Attack
    Sunday, 15 Jul 2012 08:55 PM



    Read more on Newsmax.com: Britain's Intelligence Chief Warns Iran Closing on Bomb, Predicts Israeli Attack
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    The head of Britian's intelligence service warned that Iran will acquire a nuclear weapon by 2014 at the latest, and predicted a military strike may be the only way to prevent such a calamity.

    Sir John Sawers, head of Britain's MI6, told a group of civil servants Friday that Iran is on the path to acquiring a weapon and predicted Israel will act to stop her.

    Read more on Newsmax.com: Britain's Intelligence Chief Warns Iran Closing on Bomb, Predicts Israeli Attack
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    “The Iranians are determinedly going down a path to master all aspects of nuclear weapons; all the technologies they need,” Sawers was quoted by London's Telegraph.

    Sawers said Israel likely will strike Iran before she acquires such a weapon, which he said could happen by 2014.

    Previously, Israeli intelligence sources have suggested that Iran may acquire the bomb, or the ability to make one quickly, sometime this year.

    Sawers apparently doesn't buy establishment thinking that Iran's aquisition of a nuclear weapon is inevitable or acceptable.

    It’s equally clear that Israel and the United States would face huge dangers if Iran were to become a nuclear weapon state, he said.

    Sawers also said MI6 played a key role in covert operations that stopped Iran from creating a nuclear weapon as early as 2008.

    In the past two years, four key Iranian nuclear scientists have been assassinated. Iran has blamed Israel, Britain and the United States
    for the killings.


    Read more on Newsmax.com: Britain's Intelligence Chief Warns Iran Closing on Bomb, Predicts Israeli Attack
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    All the above going on while the EU is putting on the breaks, Its all conjecture from those pushing for war, JUST LIKE THE SAME GROUPS DID IN THEIR PUSH FOR WAR WITH IRAQ and LOOK WHAT A SMASHING SUCCESS THAT WAS.


    Israel was right in the middle of pushing for that war, and had 41 Dual National Neo Cons out of Bush's 54 War Administration. A good share of the same people have gone from their failed "think tank" the Project for the New American Century PNAC that was dissbanded in shame by its Leader William Krystal who has now formed other groups from which they foment war cries against their newest enemy IRAN.
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    Jul 17, 2012 2:21 AM GMT
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    ISRAELI PROPAGANDA THROUGH U.S. MSM AT FEVER PITCH

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    Posted on 8th March 2012 by Administrator in Economy |Politics |Social Issues

    Iran, Iraq war, Israel, MSNBC, NYT, Obama, oil, oil reserves, war

    The drumbeats of war grow ever louder. Israel has successfully captured our Congress and has complete control over the corporate mainstream media message. Supposedly liberal media outlets like the NYT and MSNBC are pushing for war with Iran as hard as the neo-cons at Faux News. The lies and misinformation being spewed by politicians and media pundits is at vitriolic all time highs. The ignorant non critical thinking dupes that inhabit this country are being worked into a frenzy of fear over a two bit country that is 7,500 miles from our shores and has no means to hurt our country in any way.

    What is the purpose of this propaganda effort? Iran is absolutely no threat to the U.S. or Israel today. They are surrounded by U.S. bases and our navy. Israel has 200 nuclear warheads. Iran has zero. Who is the threat? Our own military and spy agencies have concluded they are not building a nuclear bomb. We have assasinated their scientists. We unleashed a computer virus that will eventually come back and bite us in the ass. We are flying spy drones over their country. Who is the real threat?

    My conclusion is that this is really about oil. They have 150 billion barrels of reserves. That is the 4th largest reserve left on the planet. As a comparison, the U.S. has 19 billion barrels of reserves. Peak oil is a fact. Obama knows it. Our military knows it. Wall Street knows it. Big Oil knows it. The corporate mainstream media will do their part in this game of propaganda to perpetuate the Big Lie about Iran as a threat to cover for our true intentions. We want to install a puppet regime in Iran that is friendly to the U.S. and will supply our lifeblood for another 50 years.

    We failed in our Iraq venture as the government there hates our fucking guts. They happen to have the 5th largest reserves of 143 billion barrels. The war drums were beating just as loud in 2002. Visions of mushroom clouds over American cities were jammed down our throats by politicians and the media. You would think we would learn. But, you can never go broke betting on the stupidity and gullibility of the American sheeple.
    The incomplete media debate on Iran

    Americans are continuously bombarded with the claims of Israeli officials while others views on Iran are excluded

    By Glenn Greenwald