Oh, this will do the GOP a lot of good: GOP threatens shutdown showdown

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    Aug 06, 2008 7:00 PM GMT

    WASHINGTON (CNN) — He led Republicans into government shutdowns in the 1990s and now former House Speaker Newt Gingrich indicates his party is seriously considering another shutdown to force a vote on offshore oil drilling in September.

    House Republicans brought Gingrich to the Capitol Wednesday, partly to revive media coverage of their speech-making protest in the chamber, now in its fourth day. The rest of Congress is gone for August recess, but several Republicans House members have been speaking on the closed-down chamber floor, calling for a special session to vote on drilling and energy.

    Gingrich did attract more camera crews, and he used the opportunity to point to what may be the GOP’s next strategy: If Democrats refuse to hold a separate vote on oil drilling, Republicans could try to block the votes needed to keep government running past September 30.

    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s office responded quickly with a statement from spokesman Nadeam Elshami. “Democrats will not shut down the government,” he wrote, “but it is not surprising Newt Gingrich would raise that threat since he and the Republican Party shut down the government in the 1990s.”

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    Aug 06, 2008 7:24 PM GMT
    Grrrr, at this rate the USA will start tackling its' problems around the time I turn 90 (2050).
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    Aug 06, 2008 7:34 PM GMT
    This is tackling a problem, energy, which also means the economy. It's a bit drastic but since the Democrats won't help out the American people, I'm glad to see fellow Republicans are on the ball.

    Lets drill some oil America.

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    Aug 06, 2008 8:38 PM GMT
    John43620 saidThis is tackling a problem, energy, which also means the economy. It's a bit drastic but since the Democrats won't help out the American people, I'm glad to see fellow Republicans are on the ball.

    Lets drill some oil America.



    No. Let's kick the crack habit and hook into something that won't kill us.

    You GOPers with your goddam bandaids. Gilded, expensive, cartel-owned band-aids.
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    Aug 06, 2008 9:36 PM GMT
    That won't even go on the wound for another ten years after we start drilling, but will make sure to give their buddies in big oil a lot of cash in the mean time.
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    Aug 06, 2008 9:38 PM GMT
    Even if dear President Bush says it, we aren't addicted to oil.

    During the early days of the cold war President Eisenhower saw the need for an extensive road system in the US. There were two factors that influenced his decision, first, as a young officer in the Army he was tasked with taking a military convoy across the country and it took months. In many areas there were no roads, it was hell on trucks. Post World War Two Germany was the other factor. He could see that the German autobahn system was essential. German roads were better than American roads. If the German rail system was shut down, they could still move. So it made sense that if the Soviets nuked us, we still needed mobility.

    Now we have an extensive road system and it's great. We can get to just about anyplace we want. We do need an alternative method to power cars and trucks but for now, only oil will do. So kwitcherbellyakin, appreciate what you have.



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    Aug 06, 2008 9:38 PM GMT
    Amazing that anyone would listen to Newt Gingrich anymore.

    I mean, the shutdown of 1995 basically revived Clinton's fortunes and won him his re-election in 1996.

    These idiots never learn.
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    Aug 06, 2008 9:40 PM GMT
    John43620 saidEven if dear President Bush says it, we aren't addicted to oil.

    During the early days of the cold war President Eisenhower saw the need for an extensive road system in the US. There were two factors that influenced his decision, first, as a young officer in the Army he was tasked with taking a military convoy across the country and it took months. In many areas there were no roads, it was hell on trucks. Post World War Two Germany was the other factor. He could see that the German autobahn system was essential. German roads were better than American roads. If the German rail system was shut down, they could still move. So it made sense that if the Soviets nuked us, we still needed mobility.

    Now we have an extensive road system and it's great. We can get to just about anyplace we want. We do need an alternative method to power cars and trucks but for now, only oil will do. So kwitcherbellyakin, appreciate what you have.


    War, cancer, global warming, ecological imbalance. What's to appreciate?
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    Aug 06, 2008 10:24 PM GMT
    Damn you're hard to please, everything has to be perfect with you!

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    Aug 06, 2008 10:40 PM GMT
    John,

    Don't take this as an insult, as this is a gay site and we are most tolerant of our crossdressing brethren, but, I wanted to point out that when you speak of dear president bush with those stars in your eyes, you sound just like the Church Lady talkin' 'bout Jayzuz.

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    Aug 06, 2008 11:00 PM GMT
    John43620 saidGerman roads were better than American roads. If the German rail system was shut down, they could still move. So it made sense that if the Soviets nuked us, we still needed mobility.

    Now we have an extensive road system and it's great. We can get to just about anyplace we want.



    except that Germany still has an extensive PASSENGER rail network, and Germans use both intercity and public transportation regularly - something the average American wouldn't consider doing.

    And, we CAN get pretty much everywhere, assuming the road doesn't deteriorate or the bridge we're on doesn't collapse because it was built and funded in the 1950's-60's and is carrying 4 times it's design capacity. ( When I lived in DC I used to LOVE biking underneath the Woodrow Wilson Bridge I-95/495 and watch the chunks of concrete fall into the Potomac, while watching news reports about legislators from Maryland, Virginia, and the District argued over funding and repairs... )

    Now, oil only will NOT do. Honda manufacturers a fuel-cell only vehicle, and Saturn/GM's EV-1 was an overwhelming success (except that it was a lease-only vehicle and GM destroyed it and its' technology too once the leases were up)

    I'm off to go hug a tree now...
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    Aug 06, 2008 11:30 PM GMT
    John43620 saidDamn you're hard to please, everything has to be perfect with you!



    No, just better. But it can happen faster than some want it to, namely those who apparently haven't profited enough already from the industrial age.

    Honestly, this country is home to 300 million minds and it has a fairly decent education system in place. You'd think this would have been solved long ago.

    But those "still not enough profit" guys...grr.
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    Aug 06, 2008 11:35 PM GMT
    I heart McGay.
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    Aug 06, 2008 11:42 PM GMT
    Okay guys the US oil companies can drill all the way to China, it will not make a huge difference. The price will come down somewhat, demand will go up somewhat, and we are back into the supply/demand crunch. Just because oil is near the USA does not mean it is going to the USA. It is going on the open market to be gobbled up by who knows what country.

    Like trying to put a bandaid on a cut jugular vein. The patient will still bleed to death unless more extreme measures are taken.
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    Aug 06, 2008 11:53 PM GMT
    McGay saidJohn,

    Don't take this as an insult, as this is a gay site and we are most tolerant of our crossdressing brethren, but, I wanted to point out that when you speak of dear president bush with those stars in your eyes, you sound just like the Church Lady talkin' 'bout Jayzuz.

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    Aug 07, 2008 12:27 AM GMT
    This "crisis" is 35 years in the making. We should have done something after 1973. Insted the only President who tried anything was Carter. Some might hate him, but technological the smartest American President. Supported Alt energy and conservation. Ronnie who came in after him dismantle everything The Dept of Energy became a Nuke manufacturing section. We have to wonder why we still have trucks running from LA to CA when we have the trains.

    Obama should author an admendment, adding New CAFE standards to the Drilling bill BUsh will Veto it
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    Aug 07, 2008 12:35 AM GMT
    ...I find it funny how the Democrats in Congress say they want to do something but haven't yet...If I were them I wouldn't give people another excuse to say they haven't done anything...Going on vacation during a critical time in our nation was the wrong choice...they should have done something before this session ended...at least some of the Republicans are showing that they think this matter is important by staying
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    Aug 07, 2008 12:38 AM GMT
    jkl432 said...I find it funny how the Democrats in Congress say they want to do something but haven't yet...If I were them I wouldn't give people another excuse to say they haven't done anything...Going on vacation during a critical time in our nation was the wrong choice...they should have done something before this session ended...at least some of the Republicans are showing that they think this matter is important by staying


    We should be reminded that even with their current slim majority it only takes buying off a Democratic senator or two to defeat a well-intentioned bill. Anyone ever heard of Zell Miller (assuming he's still around)? Blaming all Democrats is a bit myopic (look it up at Dictionary.com, John90210).
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    Aug 07, 2008 12:45 AM GMT
    It seems the Republicans want to fix a problem we had the answer too during the Carter administration. That's sad. The only long term answer to oil prices and dependence, is cutting down demand by using other sources of energy until we no longer need oil to run the US. There's all this talk about wind, solar, and the next generation of biofuels. Let's do it. In the meantime we could also encourage the public to start using more public mass transportation where possible.
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    Aug 07, 2008 12:46 AM GMT
    jkl432 said...I find it funny how the Democrats in Congress say they want to do something but haven't yet...If I were them I wouldn't give people another excuse to say they haven't done anything...Going on vacation during a critical time in our nation was the wrong choice...they should have done something before this session ended...at least some of the Republicans are showing that they think this matter is important by staying


    Hogwash. This wasn't about drilling. Republicans are behind in nearly every congressional district that isn't a total lock for them. This ploy was about attempting to keep Democratic representatives from going home to their districts and campaigning.

    Guess what? If they DID stay in Washington, the Republican attack ads would say "Your representative thinks so little of his district that he chose to stay in WASHINGTON rather than come home and ask for your vote."

    Who do you think fell off the turnip truck last week?
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    Aug 07, 2008 12:47 AM GMT
    Personally, I am looking forward to the Repugnicans shutting down the gov't just before an election! Go, Idiots, Go!
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    Aug 07, 2008 12:53 AM GMT
    Honestly this problem should have been solved long ago...and I really thought it would have been taken care of by now. Blaming one party is wrong because it's been done on both sides...sidestepping...trying to get re-elected...i mean...for me...the Democrats had their chance to fix things...and nothing happened...
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    Aug 07, 2008 12:57 AM GMT
    jkl432 saidHonestly this problem should have been solved long ago...and I really thought it would have been taken care of by now. Blaming one party is wrong because it's been done on both sides...sidestepping...trying to get re-elected...i mean...for me...the Democrats had their chance to fix things...and nothing happened...

    When did the Democrats have their chance to fix things?
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    Aug 07, 2008 1:02 AM GMT
    Who is in control of Congress?...Democrats...And now it has the lowest approval rating in how many years?
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    Aug 07, 2008 1:03 AM GMT
    jkl432 saidWho is in control of Congress?...Democrats...And now it has the lowest approval rating in how many years?


    So you've already forgotten the point made 7 posts ago?

    I've heard of ADD, but wow.

    As long as one or two senators are easily bought off by the White House, the majority is not a majority and the GOP still controls things.