US Military's ACCEPTING GAYS ==== "INVITING JUDGEMENT OF GOD" per christian fundi's article. A MUST READ FOR REPUBLICANS

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    Jul 16, 2012 5:34 AM GMT

    From the Far Right Christian Fundi rag WMD>>> the article is written to push this new book about gays and the judgement of god on the readers


    Its thinking like below that is behind the REPUBLICAN PARTY's PUSH TO THE FAR RIGHT. If this doesn't at least give pause for thought among the gay republicans, I guess nothing will ever get through to them.


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    'This is simply inviting the judgment of God'
    Author of hit book says 'celebrating' sin a step too far

    It was just days ago, on June 15, when a CBS News report was headlined: "Panetta celebrates gay pride month by saluting LGBT military members."

    Said the report, "Defense Secretary Leon Panetta on Friday thanked gay and lesbian military members for their service, as the Pentagon prepares to mark June as gay pride month with an official salute. In a remarkable sign of a cultural change in the U.S. military, Panetta said that with the repeal last year of the 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' law that prohibited gays from serving openly in the military, gays and lesbians can now be proud to be in uniform. 'Now you can be proud of serving your country, and be proud of who you are,' Panetta said."

    Best-selling author and longtime pastor Carl Gallups told WND, "Listen carefully to Secretary Panetta's words, he says this event is a 'remarkable sign of a cultural change in the U.S. military.'"

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    "Yes," Gallups said, "This is exactly what it is – a cultural change – a paradigm shift of worldviews. The reason that it is remarkable is that the change goes completely against the grain of the Judeo/Christian pillars and heritage of our nation's founding.

    "While our Founding Fathers never intended for the U.S. to be a theocracy (they had escaped just such a system in Europe), they did intend for it to be a constitutional republic based on the Judeo/Christian principles found in the Bible. This fact cannot be intelligently denied. From the Declaration of Independence to the Constitution itself and the very first amendment – this foundational underpinning is blatantly obvious."


    Gallups' new book is titled: "The Magic Man In The Sky: Effectively Defending The Christian Faith." It is published by WND Books. His book has reached No. 1 best-seller status on Amazon in Science and Religion.

    Gallups told WND, "About 60 years ago, our culture decided it didn't need God or the mention of His Word anymore. So, we have raised several generations of children to believe that they are the 'me' generation. They were taught that there is no God, there is no 'higher authority,' there are no moral absolutes, and that they are nothing more than a cosmic happenstance based upon sheer random luck. I have an entire chapter about this phenomenon in my new book."

    He said, "With such a worldview thoroughly ingrained within the institutions of our culture we now reap what we have sown. The abortion holocaust could not happen without first convincing the nation to believe that we are nothing more than a mere animal. The radical homosexual movement could have never risen to its current level without first persuading the nation that there is no standard of right and wrong concerning our sexuality. Homosexual marriage would have never been considered until first the nation became convinced that marriage is nothing special or divinely ordained, and that marriage can be defined anyway in which man finds pleasing to his flesh and lust."

    When WND asked Gallups what his specific observations were concerning the celebration of "Gay" Pride Month in the military, he had this to say, "A few years back on my talk radio program, I observed that if open homosexuality was ever fully allowed in the military that we would be opening Pandora's Box on all manner of perversion. I told my audience that if that day ever came that the military would actually be celebrating Gay Pride Month openly. I had listeners call in who were outraged with my predictions. They called me a 'reactionary,' an 'exaggerator,' and 'out of touch with reality,' in this matter.

    "Well, here we are," Gallups said. "Open homosexuality has been enacted and in less than a year the military is celebrating Gay Pride Month. This downward progression was easy to forecast and I fear the worst is yet to be seen in this matter."


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    When asked why Gallups refers to homosexuality as a perversion, Gallups responded, “First and foremost because the word of God describes it that way. Secondly, our own medical journals, just a few decades ago, described it in those terms (mental illness), and thirdly – just think about it! The military is actually going to celebrate the fact that two men have sex as though one of them is a woman! The U.S. military is actually going to openly celebrate that one man is going to have physiologically illogical sex with another man! And, to top it all off, the secretary of defense actually said, 'Now you can be proud of serving your country, and be proud of who you are.'"

    Gallups said, "A person who is a homosexual can always be proud of serving his country, I have no problem with that. But neither the U.S. military, nor the U.S. government has any business declaring that a person can be proud of having perverted sex and that we will help them celebrate it with military and government sanction. For those of us who come from a Biblical worldview – we know that this is simply inviting the judgment of God upon us. May God have mercy upon us."

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    Jul 16, 2012 2:49 PM GMT
    .....as he said - with his head not covered, while wearing multiple types of materials while chewing on a Crab Cake. icon_wink.gif
  • tazzari

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    Jul 16, 2012 3:36 PM GMT
    I refuse to read that sort of garbage. No supporter of the GOP, I do believe that this sort of ranting both damages them, and does not represent the feelings of the majority. Best ignored?
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    Jul 16, 2012 3:52 PM GMT
    realifedad said
    From the Far Right Christian Fundi rag WMD>>> the article is written to push this new book about gays and the judgement of god on the readers


    Its thinking like below that is behind the REPUBLICAN PARTY's PUSH TO THE FAR RIGHT.



    I didn't need to read any more than this. I have no interest whatsoever what a "Far Right Christian Fundi Rag" has to say because it does not speak for me, my opinion and/or values, and many others who may be Republican. These backwards thinking non-progressive type mindsets don't intimidate or scare me. Gays are in the military to stay, those who have a problem with that need to find a way to GET OVER IT!
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    CuriousJockAZ said
    realifedad said
    From the Far Right Christian Fundi rag WMD>>> the article is written to push this new book about gays and the judgement of god on the readers


    Its thinking like below that is behind the REPUBLICAN PARTY's PUSH TO THE FAR RIGHT.



    I didn't need to read any more than this. I have no interest whatsoever what a "Far Right Christian Fundi Rag" has to say because it does not speak for me, my opinion and/or values, and many others who may be Republican. These backwards thinking non-progressive type mindsets don't intimidate or scare me. Gays are in the military to stay, those who have a problem with that need to find a way to GET OVER IT!





    Any excuse to avoid even the possibility of having to reconsider your republican apologist stand. eh ?



    Dismissive again of the reality !!! Just a little !!! that these are the factions that are swaying the Republican Party, WHEN YOU VOTE REPUBLICAN do you think for a minute that its you gay republicans who will by listened to or these very loud Christian Fundi's.
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    Jul 16, 2012 4:23 PM GMT
    realifedad said
    Dismissive again of the reality !!! Just a little !!! that these are the factions that are swaying the Republican Party, WHEN YOU VOTE REPUBLICAN do you think for a minute that its you gay republicans who will by listened to or these very loud Christian Fundi's.



    Again, RLD, YOUR version of "Facts" and/or "Reality" is different than my own. I disagree whole-heartedly that "these are the factions that are swaying the Republican Party", though I am certainly NOT naive to the unfortunate reality that they do exist. Sorry, you are entitled to your own opinion based on all sorts of propaganda you seem to like wallowing in. I don't buy into any of it, and no amount of long-winded posting and thread-starting is likely to sway me.
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    CuriousJockAZ said
    realifedad said
    From the Far Right Christian Fundi rag WMD>>> the article is written to push this new book about gays and the judgement of god on the readers


    Its thinking like below that is behind the REPUBLICAN PARTY's PUSH TO THE FAR RIGHT.



    I didn't need to read any more than this. I have no interest whatsoever what a "Far Right Christian Fundi Rag" has to say because it does not speak for me, my opinion and/or values, and many others who may be Republican. These backwards thinking non-progressive type mindsets don't intimidate or scare me. Gays are in the military to stay, those who have a problem with that need to find a way to GET OVER IT!


    World Net Daily is almost the ‘National Inquirer’ of conservative ‘news’ and opinion sites. That being said, I do read it once in a while, but given the limited time I have there are many others that I prefer. Or even Patriot Radio on XM since car time is dead time unless I'm backed up with calls. I do listen to Tom Rose and Gary Bauer (yes, that one) on Sunday night.
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    realifedad said
    Dismissive again of the reality !!! Just a little !!! that these are the factions that are swaying the Republican Party, WHEN YOU VOTE REPUBLICAN do you think for a minute that its you gay republicans who will by listened to or these very loud Christian Fundi's.



    Again, RLD, YOUR version of "Facts" and/or "Reality" is different than my own. I disagree whole-heartedly that "these are the factions that are swaying the Republican Party", though I am certainly NOT naive to the unfortunate reality that they do exist. Sorry, you are entitled to your own opinion based on all sorts of propaganda you seem to like wallowing in. I don't buy into any of it, and no amount of long-winded posting and thread-starting is likely to sway me.







    Between the article mentioned groups/far right belief system and the moderate repulicans who would not block rights for gays and not push for restrictions on womans abortion rights and etc. >>>>>>>

    Which group do you think is the loudest and most likely to influence a Romney administration ?
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    Jul 16, 2012 6:01 PM GMT
    realifedad said

    Which group do you think is the loudest and most likely to influence a Romney administration ?


    I have no idea. I would suspect that Romney is probably far more passionately against abortion than he is against gay marriage. Should Romney be elected, I am not the least bit concerned that he will be a huge setback for gay rights, as I truly believe the will govern far more liberally than the candidate he is campaigning as. I hope he doesn't ever backdown on Abortion though.
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    CuriousJockAZ said
    realifedad said

    Which group do you think is the loudest and most likely to influence a Romney administration ?


    I have no idea. I would suspect that Romney is probably far more passionately against abortion than he is against gay marriage. Should Romney be elected, I am not the least bit concerned that he will be a huge setback for gay rights, as I truly believe the will govern far more liberally than the candidate he is campaigning as. I hope he doesn't ever backdown on Abortion though.






    CJ !!! my god man !!! you're basicly saying that you're counting on Romney's not keeping his word to the far right.


    What kind of a position is that to take ? Seems rather risky and like taking chances of getting more than you bargained for.


    as far as "i have no idea" goes, Romney's given every reason to believe he'll cave to the far right, see your own words followed by your statement that "I truly believe the will govern far more liberally than the candidate he is campaigning as"



    You remind me of my dads 84 year old friend that told dad very proudly, "I decided to vote republican back when I was in college and always have" LOL, poor old fella, never bothered to investigate or to enlighten himself on any of his votes, he just simply voted Republican. Didn't learn much in college did he.
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    realifedad said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    realifedad said

    Which group do you think is the loudest and most likely to influence a Romney administration ?


    I have no idea. I would suspect that Romney is probably far more passionately against abortion than he is against gay marriage. Should Romney be elected, I am not the least bit concerned that he will be a huge setback for gay rights, as I truly believe the will govern far more liberally than the candidate he is campaigning as. I hope he doesn't ever backdown on Abortion though.






    CJ !!! my god man !!! you're basicly saying that you're counting on Romney's not keeping his word to the far right.


    What kind of a position is that to take ? Seems rather risky and like taking chances of getting more than you bargained for.


    as far as "i have no idea" goes, Romney's given every reason to believe he'll cave to the far right, see your own words followed by your statement that "I truly believe the will govern far more liberally than the candidate he is campaigning as"



    You remind me of my dads 84 year old friend that told dad very proudly, "I decided to vote republican back when I was in college and always have" LOL, poor old fella, never bothered to investigate or to enlighten himself on any of his votes, he just simply voted Republican. Didn't learn much in college did he.

    I'm going to play devils advocate right now and say that he does have a point. Presidents tend to run a campaign that appeals greatly to their political party but the second they get into the White House, they turn out to be more moderate then expected. Bush did it. Obama did it. And Romney, if elected, will probably do it too.
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    IceBucket said
    realifedad said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    realifedad said

    Which group do you think is the loudest and most likely to influence a Romney administration ?


    I have no idea. I would suspect that Romney is probably far more passionately against abortion than he is against gay marriage. Should Romney be elected, I am not the least bit concerned that he will be a huge setback for gay rights, as I truly believe the will govern far more liberally than the candidate he is campaigning as. I hope he doesn't ever backdown on Abortion though.






    CJ !!! my god man !!! you're basicly saying that you're counting on Romney's not keeping his word to the far right.


    What kind of a position is that to take ? Seems rather risky and like taking chances of getting more than you bargained for.


    as far as "i have no idea" goes, Romney's given every reason to believe he'll cave to the far right, see your own words followed by your statement that "I truly believe the will govern far more liberally than the candidate he is campaigning as"



    You remind me of my dads 84 year old friend that told dad very proudly, "I decided to vote republican back when I was in college and always have" LOL, poor old fella, never bothered to investigate or to enlighten himself on any of his votes, he just simply voted Republican. Didn't learn much in college did he.

    I'm going to play devils advocate right now and say that he does have a point. Presidents tend to run a campaign that appeals greatly to their political party but the second they get into the White House, they turn out to be more moderate then expected. Bush did it. Obama did it. And Romney, if elected, will probably do it too.






    Yes Obama definately did as you suggest above, But who of us hung or would hang our hopes on candidates doing different than they say they promise to such as the far right ?


    BUSH ?? my god he put this nation in the worst possible predicament with his unpaid for wars and other policies that sunk our nation into recession. (Ya Ya, he didn't do it alone, I'll admit our dems were weak kneed wimps)


    As for Romney and doing different than what his promisies have been to the far right, that's a dangerous thing to hang hopes on especially with the far right swing that has been under way now for particularly the last 10 years. We'd have to be blind not to see this dangerous trend coming from every political angle.
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    Jul 16, 2012 8:19 PM GMT
    realifedad said
    IceBucket said
    realifedad said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    realifedad said

    Which group do you think is the loudest and most likely to influence a Romney administration ?


    I have no idea. I would suspect that Romney is probably far more passionately against abortion than he is against gay marriage. Should Romney be elected, I am not the least bit concerned that he will be a huge setback for gay rights, as I truly believe the will govern far more liberally than the candidate he is campaigning as. I hope he doesn't ever backdown on Abortion though.






    CJ !!! my god man !!! you're basicly saying that you're counting on Romney's not keeping his word to the far right.


    What kind of a position is that to take ? Seems rather risky and like taking chances of getting more than you bargained for.


    as far as "i have no idea" goes, Romney's given every reason to believe he'll cave to the far right, see your own words followed by your statement that "I truly believe the will govern far more liberally than the candidate he is campaigning as"



    You remind me of my dads 84 year old friend that told dad very proudly, "I decided to vote republican back when I was in college and always have" LOL, poor old fella, never bothered to investigate or to enlighten himself on any of his votes, he just simply voted Republican. Didn't learn much in college did he.

    I'm going to play devils advocate right now and say that he does have a point. Presidents tend to run a campaign that appeals greatly to their political party but the second they get into the White House, they turn out to be more moderate then expected. Bush did it. Obama did it. And Romney, if elected, will probably do it too.






    Yes Obama definately did as you suggest above, But who of us hung or would hang our hopes on candidates doing different than they say they promise to such as the far right ?


    BUSH ?? my god he put this nation in the worst possible predicament with his unpaid for wars and other policies that sunk our nation into recession. (Ya Ya, he didn't do it alone, I'll admit our dems were weak kneed wimps)


    As for Romney and doing different than what his promisies have been to the far right, that's a dangerous thing to hang hopes on especially with the far right swing that has been under way now for particularly the last 10 years. We'd have to be blind not to see this dangerous trend coming from every political angle.

    As I said, I'm jut being devil's advocate here. Trying to be impartial as possible. I would never tie my vote to how they will "probably act" against what they say they're going to do. That said, I'm not voting for Romney or Obama.

    And I only mentioned Bush because he was more moderate in office then what he said or campaigned on. Lets be honest here.
  • Webster666

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    Jul 16, 2012 8:26 PM GMT
    A) There is no god, so there will be no "judgement."
    B) Religious nuts are hypocrites, because they pick and choose what they want to believe from the bible.
    C) The same ignorant arguments were made when the military was integrated.

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    Jul 16, 2012 9:19 PM GMT
    THE REVEREND HAGEE, leads and represents the largest most influencial Christian Fundamentalist group that according to him has 20 million followers from multiple churchs who have joined with his CUFI organization.


    IN HIS WORDS !!! Hagee’s homophobia

    John Hagee has a record of making racist, sexist, anti-Catholic, Islamophobic and anti-Semitic remarks, but here I will only present some of his homophobic statements.



    In 2006, Hagee explained that Hurricane Katrina was God’s response to a planned pride parade in New Orleans:


    New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God...There was to be a homosexual parade there on the Monday that the Katrina came. And the promise of that parade was that it was going to reach a level of sexuality never demonstrated before in any of the other gay pride parades...And I believe that the Hurricane Katrina was in fact the judgment of God against the city of New Orleans.

    In 2003, Hagee stated that the Antichrist would materialize as a “a blasphemer and a homosexual,” as well as “be partially Jewish, as was Adolf Hitler.”

    Hagee’s 2004 book, What Every Man Wants in a Woman, warns that

    Homosexuality means the death of society because homosexuals can recruit, but they cannot reproduce. Once homosexuality gets out of the closet, it becomes aggressive...[Homosexuals] do not want mere acceptance; they want to be in charge.

    Hagee then tells a story about how he supposedly healed a man of homosexuality. Furthermore,


    The word abomination in Hebrew means “something disgusting, abhorrent,” the strongest Bible word for the denunciation of sin. It is impossible to call yourself a Christian and defend homosexuality. There is no justification or acceptance of homosexuality. How many ways can you say “abomination” in Hebrew?



    These are the people who have, are and will be continueing to push Republicans including Romney to the far right.


    We ignore this reality to our own peril.
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    Jul 16, 2012 9:40 PM GMT
    Yeah, the world didn't end when several other countries did it.

    Fundamentalists have a stupid death wish, and crave apocalypse. I fail to see how this hysteria is any different than that cult that was waiting to be picked up by spaceships in their purple t-shirts and white sneakers. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jul 16, 2012 9:43 PM GMT
    yourname2000 saidAll these religious nuts running around saying "the world is about to end" are right: their world is ending. All hail the new world, free of their controlling shit. icon_wink.gif
    The SOONER, the better!
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jul 16, 2012 11:26 PM GMT
    Webster666 saidA) There is no god, so there will be no "judgement."
    B) Religious nuts are hypocrites, because they pick and choose what they want to believe from the bible.
    C) The same ignorant arguments were made when the military was integrated.

    I agree with you 100% on this one.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jul 16, 2012 11:29 PM GMT
    I think that it is time that the US joined other advanced first world countries by rejecting all the ancient fairy tales of religious belief and become more secular. After all, secular humanism is freedom.
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    roadbikeRob saidI think that it is time that the US joined other advanced first world countries by rejecting all the ancient fairy tales of religious belief and become more secular. After all, secular humanism is freedom.




    Well, in order to bring about "rejecting all the ancient fair tales of religious belief" the people just might have to create a 'real war on christianity' not just an imagined one like they're claiming is going on now from we 'gay activists'.
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    Jul 17, 2012 2:33 PM GMT
    realifedad said
    roadbikeRob saidI think that it is time that the US joined other advanced first world countries by rejecting all the ancient fairy tales of religious belief and become more secular. After all, secular humanism is freedom.




    Well, in order to bring about "rejecting all the ancient fair tales of religious belief" the people just might have to create a 'real war on christianity' not just an imagined one like they're claiming is going on now from we 'gay activists'.
    In order to weaken religions strong grip on American society, we have to slowly educate the masses about the how ficticious these beliefs really are and how they impede personal freedom.We then need to show the masses that you don't need a fairy tale supreme being in order to be compassionate and to love others and most importantly to be free.
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    Jul 17, 2012 2:36 PM GMT
    If God were real, he woulda wiped out all his fundi followers by now.
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    Jul 17, 2012 3:38 PM GMT
    paulflexes saidIf God were real, he woulda wiped out all his fundi followers by now.
    That would be a beautiful and very welcome scenario.
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    paulflexes saidIf God were real, he woulda wiped out all his fundi followers by now.
    That would be a beautiful and very welcome scenario.




    For interest sake, since as suggested above the fundi's shoule be done away with because they're doing their god no good.


    My preacher Uncle used to have a revealing saying about overly religious poeple like the fundi's.



    "SOME PEOPLE ARE SO HEAVENLY THEY ARE NO EARTHLY GOOD"