European Union: You Must Respect LGBT Rights If You Want To Be An EU Member

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  Jul 16, 2012 6:16 AM GMT

  European Union: You Must Respect LGBT Rights If You Want To Be An EU Member
  
  http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2012/07/european-union-you-must-respect-lgbt.html

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  Jul 16, 2012 6:19 AM GMT

  Indeed. Many of the newer states of the EU were formerly part of the Eastern Bloc. While they do have LGBT anti-discrimination laws on record, apparently they are not put to practice since many of those countries have remained notoriously homophobic.

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  Jul 16, 2012 9:48 AM GMT

  Nope never wanted to be an EU member, and it will never invade Oz.

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  Jul 16, 2012 3:35 PM GMT

  ^
  I don't think that you have to be concerned. Australia is no where near Europe...and hence the name: European Union

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  Jul 16, 2012 3:46 PM GMT

  metta8 saidEuropean Union: You Must Respect LGBT Rights If You Want To Be An EU Member
  
  http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2012/07/european-union-you-must-respect-lgbt.html

  
  
  As good as that is to hear, I don't really think the EU is in a position to be making ultimatums. The Union is cracking under the pressure of a massive economic crisis. Whether it's right or not (and it is), the last thing they should be doing is threatening the strongest member economically--and one they're relying on to bail out failed states like Greece, Spain, Portugal, etc. It's almost comical.
  
  I realize that Germany may not be the primary target, but it's curious this statement comes out just a couple of days after the German Parliament voted down a bill legalizing same-sex marriage. It's hard to see it any other way.

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  Jul 16, 2012 3:56 PM GMT

  redsoxfan791 said

  metta8 saidEuropean Union: You Must Respect LGBT Rights If You Want To Be An EU Member
  
  http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2012/07/european-union-you-must-respect-lgbt.html

  
  
  As good as that is to hear, I don't really think the EU is in a position to be making ultimatums. The Union is cracking under the pressure of a massive economic crisis. Whether it's right or not (and it is), the last thing they should be doing is threatening the strongest member economically--and one they're relying on to bail out failed states like Greece, Spain, Portugal, etc. It's almost comical.
  
  I realize that Germany may not be the primary target, but it's curious this statement comes out just a couple of days after the German Parliament voted down a bill legalizing same-sex marriage. It's hard to see it any other way.

  
  
  I wonder if Germany should be given any other free passes then? The two issues don't seem related to me, unless Germany wrote on the bail out cheque memo line "payment constitutes freedom to do wtf we want".

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  Jul 16, 2012 3:57 PM GMT

  Can they change the rules from the EU to the UN
  
  America wouldn't like that.

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  Jul 16, 2012 4:02 PM GMT

  tru_blu_auzzie saidNope never wanted to be an EU member, and it will never invade Oz.

  
  
  I thought n EU member nation already invaded OZ.

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  Jul 16, 2012 4:03 PM GMT

  uoft23 said

  redsoxfan791 said

  metta8 saidEuropean Union: You Must Respect LGBT Rights If You Want To Be An EU Member
  
  http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2012/07/european-union-you-must-respect-lgbt.html

  
  
  As good as that is to hear, I don't really think the EU is in a position to be making ultimatums. The Union is cracking under the pressure of a massive economic crisis. Whether it's right or not (and it is), the last thing they should be doing is threatening the strongest member economically--and one they're relying on to bail out failed states like Greece, Spain, Portugal, etc. It's almost comical.
  
  I realize that Germany may not be the primary target, but it's curious this statement comes out just a couple of days after the German Parliament voted down a bill legalizing same-sex marriage. It's hard to see it any other way.

  
  
  I wonder if Germany should be given any other free passes then? The two issues don't seem related to me, unless Germany wrote on the bail out cheque memo line "payment constitutes freedom to do wtf we want".

  
  
  I'm not saying Germany should be given any free passes. I think they were wrong to not pass same-sex marriage (obviously). I'm saying that if the EU thinks it's ok to threaten their strongest economic member with expulsion due to this issue, they're digging their own grave. The EU is on a path to dissolution. That's how they're somewhat related. The timing seems oddly coincidental--when that happens, it's usually not a coincidence.
  
  If Germany left the EU, the European economy would collapse.

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  Jul 16, 2012 4:05 PM GMT

  metta8 said^
  I don't think that you have to be concerned. Australia is no where near Europe...and hence the name: European Union

  
  
  thats not true... Tahiti and new Caledonia are also European union, for instance... so are french Guyana and several Caribbean islands.. and their laws still apply to us

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  Jul 16, 2012 4:07 PM GMT

  redsoxfan791 said
  
  If Germany left the EU, the European economy would collapse.

  
  
  I think economies will collapse whether there are unions or not..
  
  Europe's economy was not exactly "propped up" thanks to unionization in the first place

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  Jul 16, 2012 4:14 PM GMT

  GreenHopper said

  redsoxfan791 said
  
  If Germany left the EU, the European economy would collapse.

  
  
  I think economies will collapse whether there are unions or not..
  
  Europe's economy was not exactly "propped up" thanks to unionization in the first place

  
  
  The economy was pretty robust until the crash in 2007. Adding economically weaker nations has hurt it in recent years. Furthermore, if the EU collapses, you'll have 17 nations scrambling to create their own currency again. If that's not cause for a disaster, I'm not sure what is.
  
  You are right. Economies will collapse with or without Unions, but it makes it that much worse when Unions collapse bringing everyone down with them. That will have a huge effect on all markets.

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  Jul 16, 2012 4:20 PM GMT

  Don't EU proposals like this normally take months and even years to formulate and pass? I would be surprised it could happen within days of a German parliamentary vote, if it weren't already long pending.
  
  And if the EU were planning this for the effect on Germany, you rather think they would have passed it PRIOR to the German vote, to influence the gay marriage legislation. Perhaps the EU had meant their announcement to happen sooner, but couldn't move their LGBT policy along quickly enough to predate the German vote.

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  Jul 16, 2012 4:33 PM GMT

  redsoxfan791 said

  GreenHopper said

  redsoxfan791 said
  
  If Germany left the EU, the European economy would collapse.

  
  
  I think economies will collapse whether there are unions or not..
  
  Europe's economy was not exactly "propped up" thanks to unionization in the first place

  
  
  The economy was pretty robust until the crash in 2007. Adding economically weaker nations has hurt it in recent years. Furthermore, if the EU collapses, you'll have 17 nations scrambling to create their own currency again. If that's not cause for a disaster, I'm not sure what is.
  
  You are right. Economies will collapse with or without Unions, but it makes it that much worse when Unions collapse bringing everyone down with them. That will have a huge effect on all markets.

  
  
  Then wouldnt it be better to deunionise in the first place?
  
  Not that nowadays with all the globalisation it would make any difference anymore I think...
  
  And that was my whole point... "unionising" did not make the european economy any better... otherwise it would have been getting better after 2007, not worse...
  
  What goes up must come down.. i for one wouldnt mind getting my own currency back...

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  Jul 16, 2012 4:35 PM GMT

  ^^ I still have pesetas from childhood that I wouldn't mind using again should I return to Spain

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  Jul 16, 2012 4:37 PM GMT

  msuNtx saidCan they change the rules from the EU to the UN
  
  America wouldn't like that.

  
  
  oh...I don't know about that...
  
  UN International Human Rights Day...a speech from Hillary Clinton 2011
  
  

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  Jul 16, 2012 4:38 PM GMT

  pocketnico said^^ I still have pesetas from childhood that I wouldn't mind using again should I return to Spain

  
  
  Spain and pesetas.. now there's a good example... and france is .. and the netherlands... I was living in the latter when they introduced the euro... and became instantly poorer from one day to the next.. so was my whole family there and the whole country.. and I went to Spain and France and heard everybody experienced the same thing..
  
  Thats not to say that Europe wasnt rich enough compared to the rest of the world, but it made me have my doubts about economic "unionisation" de-diversification, globalisation, what have you, and what it all meant in the first place

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  GreenHopper said

  pocketnico said^^ I still have pesetas from childhood that I wouldn't mind using again should I return to Spain

  
  
  Spain and pesetas.. now there's a good example... and france is .. and the netherlands... I was living in the latter when they introduced the euro... and became instantly poorer from one day to the next.. so was my whole family there and the whole country.. and I went to Spain and France and heard everybody experienced the same thing..
  
  Thats not to say that Europe wasnt rich enough compared to the rest of the world, but it made me have my doubts about economic "unionisation" de-diversification, globalisation, what have you, and what it all meant in the first place

  
  
  Plus I'm sure Western Europe hasn't enjoyed the presence of all those pesky people from Eastern Europe who can easily migrate to the West now that their home countries are part of the EU

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  Jul 16, 2012 5:07 PM GMT

  redsoxfan791 said
  
  If Germany left the EU, the European economy would collapse.

  
  
  Germany has no reason voluntarily to leave the Euro (i.e. the common currency of 17 European states) or the European Union (i.e. the economic and political confederation of 27 states).
  
  Admittedly, it has had to provide much of the funding for the bail-outs of the the smaller European states, as a result of the financial crisis. On the other hand, Germany has benefited economically from membership of the Euro. Without monetary union, the deutsche mark would now be a safe haven in a fragmented European financial system and would have soared against most of the continent's other currencies in a flight to quality. At a stroke, German exports would have become 10, 20 or 30 per cent more expensive in the country's most important foreign markets such as France, the Netherlands and Italy, leading to revenue losses and job cuts on a far bigger scale than Germany has suffered in the past two years because of the financial crisis.
  
  In addition, the current weakness of the euro against the dollar is helping Germany more than its fellow euro-zone members because of the strength of its export sector, which accounts for 45 per cent of domestic GDP, a far higher share than its European partners. German firms are happily churning out factory equipment, vehicles and chemical products that are on average 20 per cent cheaper in dollar terms than they were before the debt crisis hit.
  
  Do not weep for the Germans. They are doing very nicely thank you.

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  Jul 16, 2012 5:27 PM GMT

  GreenHopper said

  metta8 said^
  I don't think that you have to be concerned. Australia is no where near Europe...and hence the name: European Union

  
  
  thats not true... Tahiti and new Caledonia are also European union, for instance... so are french Guyana and several Caribbean islands.. and their laws still apply to us

  
  
  That's an excellent point. Thanks! I didn't realize that it affected the colonies of European Countries. But that does make sense that it would.

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  Jul 17, 2012 5:13 AM GMT

  metta8 said^
  I don't think that you have to be concerned. Australia is no where near Europe...and hence the name: European Union

  
  
  My point.........

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  tru_blu_auzzie said

  metta8 said^
  I don't think that you have to be concerned. Australia is no where near Europe...and hence the name: European Union

  
  
  My point.........

  Have another cocktail.

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  Jul 17, 2012 5:29 AM GMT

  metta8 said

  msuNtx saidCan they change the rules from the EU to the UN
  
  America wouldn't like that.

  
  
  oh...I don't know about that...
  
  UN International Human Rights Day...a speech from Hillary Clinton 2011
  
  

  
  
  
  Well of course Hillary would like it haha but many Americans wouldn't like it.

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  Jul 17, 2012 6:25 AM GMT

  Wasn't it EU membership that got Ireland reforming their anti-abortion laws?

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  Jul 17, 2012 7:11 AM GMT

  GreenHopper said

  metta8 said^
  I don't think that you have to be concerned. Australia is no where near Europe...and hence the name: European Union

  
  
  thats not true... Tahiti and new Caledonia are also European union, for instance... so are french Guyana and several Caribbean islands.. and their laws still apply to us

  
  
  Regardless of their geaographical location I think these places u mentioned are considered to be part of France or at least France has some heavy political influence in these territories. Right?

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