"What would America look like without Republicans? California"

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    Jul 16, 2012 3:50 PM GMT
    http://washingtonexaminer.com/welcome-to-california-america-without-republicans/article/2502102#.UAHRDHuhj3I.twitter

    Spending has more than doubled, from $45.4 billion in 1996 to more than $92.5 billion today. Income, sales and car taxes have all been hiked. As a result, California has the most progressive income tax system in the nation, with seven income tax brackets, and the second-highest top marginal rate.

    Even with all those tax hikes, California's 2012 budget is still $15.7 billion in the red. So what does Gov. Jerry Brown want to do? Raise taxes again, of course. He has proposed a ballot initiative that would: 1) raise sales taxes on everyone and 2) raise incomes taxes on those making more than $250,000 a year (like Obama has proposed to do nationally). But even this $8.5 billion tax hike would still leave the state $7.5 billion short. Where will California get that money? Who knows?

    And that is not the only spending binge California Democrats haven't paid for. Just this month, the state legislature approved a $2.6 billion bond sale in order to fund construction on a scaled-back $68.4 billion high-speed rail project that will supposedly connect San Francisco and Los Angeles.

    If California begins construction on the train before this December 31 (a big if), Obama has agreed to give the state $3.5 billion in federal money to help. But that still leaves a $62.3 billion hole. Where does California plan to get that money? Who knows?

    With all of this unfunded government spending, Keynesian-Democratic thinking would predict that California's economy should be booming.

    It isn't.

    At 10.8 percent, California has the third-highest unemployment rate in the country. There are fewer private-sector jobs in the state today, 11.9 million, then there were in 2000, 12.2 million.

    And thanks to liberal welfare requirements, a third of all the nation's welfare recipients live in California despite the state only containing one-eighth of the national population.
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    Jul 16, 2012 4:14 PM GMT
    http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2012/07/14/green-energy-bias-killing-california/
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/07/12/the-energy-war-how-fossil-fuel-democrats-became-an-endangered-species.html

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    Nowhere is the element of choice inherent in energy policy more evident than in California, home to five of the nation’s twelve largest oil fields and energy reserves equal to those of Nigeria, the world’s tenth-largest producer. As high-paying energy jobs swell payrolls in the Great Plains, the Intermountain West and parts of the Gulf, the Golden State has double-digit unemployment, a collapsed inland economy and a series of bankrupt municipalities. Amidst a great national energy boom, California’s energy production has remained stunted even as the state’s draconian “renewable” energy mandates are slated to drive up its already high electricity rates. The state’s high cost of energy has impacted industry: despite its vast human and natural resources, the Golden State, with 12 percent of the nation’s population received barely 2 percent of the country’s manufacturing expansions last year.

    Such inattention to California’s resources may be popular in wealthy precincts of Silicon Valley, San Francisco and west Los Angeles, but the state’s green approach has helped place traditionally manufacturing-oriented communities such as Oakland, east Los Angeles, San Bernardino and Stockton in deep distress. Despite central California’s vast deposits of oil and gas, unemployment rates in some oil-rich areas there are over 15 and sometimes even 20 percent.

    As economic forecaster Bill Watkins recently told an audience in hard-hit Santa Maria: “If you were in Texas, you’d be rich.”
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    Jul 16, 2012 4:18 PM GMT
    The question is what would CA look like if they stopped supporting red states? Yup, California gets back less than $1 for every dollar they pay in Federal taxes. This money is used to support red states - conservative welfare states. If CA got back from the Fed's what they paid, I'll bet they would have a balanced budget.

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    Jul 16, 2012 4:31 PM GMT
    Yeah, I think the real answer is, America would look like the deep south, inbred, fat, stupid and prejudice and somehow proud of all these traits.
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    Jul 16, 2012 4:36 PM GMT
    smartmoney saidYeah, I think the real answer is, America would look like the deep south, inbred, fat, stupid and prejudice and somehow proud of all these traits.


    Do you feel that "the deep south, inbred, fat, stupid and prejudice and somehow proud of all these traits" are a fair representation of Republicans versus California being a good characterization of Democrats in the US?
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    Jul 16, 2012 4:41 PM GMT
    I find it rather interesting that California was the 5th LARGEST "economy" on the PLANET, by itself, before the housing bubble pop/bank failure/recession hit in 07.
    Yep.. its all Obama's fault isnt it Ridiot?
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    Jul 16, 2012 4:44 PM GMT
    America without Republicans... is Massachusetts.

    And it's a damn fine state to live in :-)
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    Jul 16, 2012 4:47 PM GMT
    riddler78 said
    smartmoney saidYeah, I think the real answer is, America would look like the deep south, inbred, fat, stupid and prejudice and somehow proud of all these traits.


    Do you feel that "the deep south, inbred, fat, stupid and prejudice and somehow proud of all these traits" are a fair representation of Republicans versus California being a good characterization of Democrats in the US?


    As a native southerner, I would say that the generalization that GOP members in the south are for the most part inbred, fat, stupid and ignorant and they are happy being that way is true :-)

    Riddler, have you ever been to the south? While it has changed in many ways for the better, there is still a dark ugly side and the GOP shows it. Doubt it? Just look at the history of how the GOP took control of it, or is that too much to ask, to actually study something using origional sources? Or easier, just look at how Haley Barbour tried to explain away the years of white terror as something benign.
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    Jul 16, 2012 5:23 PM GMT
    'Cept it was the home of Ronnie Reagan George Deukmejian Pete Wilson and The Arnold

    So if you woulda been smart enough to check there were more republican governor years than democratic since 1975

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    Jul 16, 2012 5:25 PM GMT
    GQjock said'Cept it was the home of Ronnie Reagan George Deukmejian Pete Wilson and The Arnold

    So if you woulda been smart enough to check there were more republican governor years than democratic since 1975

    Ridiot check anything? You have to be kidding us! C'mon.. Stop that!
  • MikemikeMike

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    Jul 16, 2012 5:27 PM GMT
    TigerTim saidAmerica without Republicans... is Massachusetts.

    And it's a damn fine state to live in :-)

    So true and in NJ the republican towns are the safest, cleanest, nicest places in the country to live.icon_idea.gif
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    Jul 16, 2012 5:34 PM GMT
    MikemikeMike said
    TigerTim saidAmerica without Republicans... is Massachusetts.

    And it's a damn fine state to live in :-)

    So true and in NJ the republican towns are the safest, cleanest, nicest places in the country to live.icon_idea.gif


    EW! But they're in New Jersey!?!? EW!
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    Jul 16, 2012 5:37 PM GMT
    America without Republicans would be like beautiful countryside without mosquitoes.
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    Jul 16, 2012 5:49 PM GMT
    "What would America look like without Republicans?

    Heaven!stairway_to_heaven_by_rattattart.jpg
  • MikemikeMike

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    Jul 16, 2012 5:57 PM GMT
    TigerTim said
    MikemikeMike said
    TigerTim saidAmerica without Republicans... is Massachusetts.

    And it's a damn fine state to live in :-)

    So true and in NJ the republican towns are the safest, cleanest, nicest places in the country to live.icon_idea.gif


    EW! But they're in New Jersey!?!? EW!


    have you ever been? We have some of the most prestigious areas in the entire country. We have mountains, seashores, farms and a great change of seasons. NYC is so close. Etc etc.....
  • MikemikeMike

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    Jul 16, 2012 5:58 PM GMT
    OMG Tiger Tim you're in Bahston you shouldn't even bother.icon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gif
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    Jul 16, 2012 6:02 PM GMT
    TropicalMark said"What would America look like without Republicans?

    Heaven!stairway_to_heaven_by_rattattart.jpg
    An escalator to heaven?

    Well, I guess that is better that what the Repubs would come up with.

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    Jul 16, 2012 11:34 PM GMT
    MikemikeMike saidOMG Tiger Tim you're in Bahston you shouldn't even bother.icon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gif


    Of course not. Boston is manifestly the best city in the country. Why would anyone want to leave?
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    Jul 16, 2012 11:58 PM GMT
    I think a better question would be, what would California look like without America?

    For every dollar the California Republic gives in federal taxes, it gets roughly 76 cents back.

    Ironically (but unsurprisingly), the red states get the MOST back for each federal tax dollar given.

    Edit: sorry Rumples didn't see that you posted about this FACT first icon_smile.gif
  • KissTheSky

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    Jul 17, 2012 2:20 AM GMT
    The premise of this thread is stupid.
    Are we supposed to pretend there are no Republicans in California?
    They are around 30% of registered voters in that state. There are millions of them.

    If the subtext here is whining about why they keep losing elections in California, maybe it's because most Dems and Independents don't like relentless anti-gay bashing, for starters. Perhaps the California GOP should put their own house in order before looking for others to blame about their party's lengthy losing streak.
  • MikemikeMike

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    Jul 17, 2012 7:12 AM GMT
    TigerTim said
    MikemikeMike saidOMG Tiger Tim you're in Bahston you shouldn't even bother.icon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gif


    Of course not. Boston is manifestly the best city in the country. Why would anyone want to leave?

    NYC vs Boston- you lose again and again.
    From the NY Yankees to better places to live/dine/see. You're dreaming.icon_lol.gif

    Ask anyone in the world where they would rather visit for a week NYC or Boston.
    NYC 9-1.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jul 17, 2012 3:20 PM GMT
    Since the GOP has sadly fallen under control of the narrow minded, bible thumping screwballs with no changes in the forseeable future, America without republicans would be a truly free country without the narrow minded, bible thumping screwballs like James Dobson and his football playing, ass kissing sycophant Tim Tebow. The sweetest part of this scenario is that there would be no more Westboro Baptist Church with their extremist lunatics protesting every gosh darned thing throughout the US.