I’M PENN STATE AND PROUD OF IT!!!

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    Jul 16, 2012 5:06 PM GMT
    Despite the whaling calls to tear down Paterno's statue, the statue will stay for now.

    "You can't let people stampede you into making a rash decision," a trustee said. "The statue represents the good that Joe did. It doesn't represent the bad that he did."

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    My Opinion

    I hate Sandusky. I, as well as every other Penn Stater, wishes that he suffers and is tortured long before he dies in prison. But living in a prison at the bottom of the food-chain, with inmates hassling you every single day of your life, and not being able to commit suicide, will just have to do.

    I always thought Joe Pa was an asshole. But being bugged by fans every day, and not having a moment to yourself in public (like grocery shopping), I understand why sometimes he was an asshole sometimes. But he his heart was always there!

    I feel like Joe Pa did more for the kids than anyone one of us in Thon. How often do you see someone using his or her fame and fortune to raise and collect money for kids with cancer? We rarely see it anymore in our society because we don’t look for it. In PA, WE Students and Alumni use to see it all the time before he passed. He did more for the kids than anyone of us during THON/CANNING and how old was he? And Thon was a small chunk of his philanthropy. For all you peps that rolled down the window just to say Penn State sucks, we spend months of canning in the god-damn freezing cold weather collect donations to help kids fight cancer every single year, and we suck? (well I suck :-P)

    It is my OPINION that Joe Pa does receive some of the blame, but not all of it. To me Joe Pa was a great man.

    I feel like if someone is gonna place blame, blame the Board not the school. Your haters aren’t the only ones that are pissed.

    It's not the administration, or the board, or Sandusky, or Joe Pa that make up Penn State, it's the students and alumni' that is Penn State. We made The Penn State great, and we will again!

    WE ARE PENN STATE!

    I'M PENN STATE AND I'M DAMN PROUD OF IT!!!!
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    Jul 16, 2012 5:09 PM GMT
    There aren't many people who are proud to be in the State Penn. icon_razz.gif
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    Jul 16, 2012 5:10 PM GMT
    Im sorry......... one "aw shit" wipes out ALL 'attaboys"..........
    Thats just life.
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    Jul 16, 2012 5:43 PM GMT
    The whole Penn State thing was such a travesty. However, Jerry Sandusky has been charged, tried, and convicted and likely will never see the world outside of a prison again. However, should Penn State be punished as a school for this? I don't think so. This would be a huge injustice to the students who are innocent in all of this. So they take away Penn State's football program for 2 or 3 years, or not allow them in bowls --- how unfair would that be to the student athletes who are at that school. The collateral damage to innocent students attending Penn State would just be too great. I do think the members of the administration who covered this up and/or protected Sandusky to the harm of more young children should be fired and held accountable, but the school as a whole should not pay a price.
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    Jul 16, 2012 5:47 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidThe whole Penn State thing was such a travesty. However, Jerry Sandusky has been charged, tried, and convicted and likely will never see the world outside of a prison again. However, should Penn State be punished as a school for this? I don't think so. This would be a huge injustice to the students who are innocent in all of this. So they take away Penn State's football program for 2 or 3 years, or not allow them in bowls --- how unfair would that be to the student athletes who are at that school. The collateral damage to innocent students attending Penn State would just be too great. I do think the members of the administration who covered this up and/or protected Sandusky to the harm of more young children should be fired and held accountable, but the school as a whole should not pay a price.
    I agree.. the students didnt do anything wrong..

    BUT.. the paterno "statue" MUST go..... no debate. Glorifying him in light of the new info as to his actions.. Disgusting.
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    Jul 16, 2012 5:51 PM GMT
    TropicalMark said
    BUT.. the paterno "statue" MUST go..... no debate. Glorifying him in light of the new info as to his actions.. Disgusting.



    I disagree. Joe Paterno did so much good for so long. What a shame that it should be all wiped away over something that he may or may not have had any real grasp of the reality of the situation. Regardless of this scandal, Joe Paterno left a mark on Penn State that will never be forgotten
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    Jul 16, 2012 5:51 PM GMT
    The statue must go. Paterno is as guilty as all the others who knew about Sandusky but thought football was more important than the lives of young boys. A statue to this dead coach is a reminder to these victims that a blind eye was turned to their abuse in the name of the all mighty pig skin and dollar. Shame on Penn State and the administration that lost sight of their humanity.
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    Jul 16, 2012 6:07 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    TropicalMark said
    BUT.. the paterno "statue" MUST go..... no debate. Glorifying him in light of the new info as to his actions.. Disgusting.



    I disagree. Joe Paterno did so much good for so long. What a shame that it should be all wiped away over something that he may or may not have had any real grasp of the reality of the situation. Regardless of this scandal, Joe Paterno left a mark on Penn State that will never be forgotten
    What part about child abuse didnt he 'grasp'? Are you serious Todd?
    There isnt an emoticon for 'stunned'...................
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    Jul 16, 2012 6:15 PM GMT
    TropicalMark saidWhat part about child abuse didnt he 'grasp'? Are you serious Todd?
    There isnt an emoticon for 'stunned'...................



    That's the whole point. I don't know if we will ever know for sure just how much Joe Paterno knew about the gravity of all this. The subject matter was just so foreign to him --- probably something he couldn't even fathom -- even if he had tid-bits of information, he may have not exactly processed it the way others would. I guess I'm willing to give a man who did so much good for so many for so long the benefit of the doubt.


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    Jul 16, 2012 6:28 PM GMT
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    TropicalMark saidWhat part about child abuse didnt he 'grasp'? Are you serious Todd?
    There isnt an emoticon for 'stunned'...................



    That's the whole point. I don't know if we will ever know for sure just how much Joe Paterno knew about the gravity of all this. The subject matter was just so foreign to him --- probably something he couldn't even fathom -- even if he had tid-bits of information, he may have not exactly processed it the way others would. I guess I'm willing to give a man who did so much good for so many for so long the benefit of the doubt.


    The report said that Paterno and the other university officials hushed up child sexual abuse allegations against Sandusky in 2001 for fear of bad publicity. Asked on Thursday whether the actions of the four men amounted to a crime such as conspiracy or obstruction, Freeh said that would be for a grand jury to decide. But the former FBI chief and federal judge said the evidence shows "an active agreement to conceal."

    Freeh described Paterno as "an integral part" of that agreement.
    According to his report, Spanier, Schultz and Curley drew up a plan that called for reporting Sandusky to the state Department of Public Welfare in 2001. But Curley later said in an email that he changed his mind "after giving it more thought and talking it over with Joe.
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    http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2012/07/13/legal-experts-say-paterno-could-have-faced-charges/
    I'm sorry Todd.. I dont buy that crap for a nanosecond.
    I cannot believe for a minute that you think paterno couldn't "fathom" what he was 'hiding'.............

    Woah......... Im seriously shaking my head here........
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    Jul 16, 2012 6:29 PM GMT
    smartmoney saidThe statue must go. Paterno is as guilty as all the others who knew about Sandusky but thought football was more important than the lives of young boys. A statue to this dead coach is a reminder to these victims that a blind eye was turned to their abuse in the name of the all mighty pig skin and dollar. Shame on Penn State and the administration that lost sight of their humanity.




    Agreed.

    Joe Paterno wasn't a monster in the way that Sandusky is - but he aided and abetted and looked the other way.

    It's okay to not want to see Paterno vilified.
    He did do some good things in his life and he deserves credit for that - but to have a statue glorifying him has become inappropriate.

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    Jul 16, 2012 10:20 PM GMT
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    Woah......... Im seriously shaking my head here........


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    Jul 16, 2012 10:24 PM GMT
    It's a top-down conspiracy of negligence and apathy. No one is innocent. They'll do all that they can to protect the money and the name, but...


    ...the legacy is forever besmirched.
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    Jul 16, 2012 10:35 PM GMT
    I think the idea of removing the statue of Joe Paterno is a major overreaction. The man did a lot of great things for Penn State and was a great football coach and leader. To punish him for the sick actions of that lowlife Sandusky is largely unjustified. Lets look back in history at all our great leaders and heros, I am sure that most of them had a lot of skeletons in their closets that they didn't want anyone to find out about or else their reputations would have been severely damaged.
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    Jul 16, 2012 10:37 PM GMT
    Elusium saidIt's a top-down conspiracy of negligence and apathy. No one is innocent. They'll do all that they can to protect the money and the name, but...


    ...the legacy is forever besmirched.


    100% agree with this.
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    roadbikeRob saidI think the idea of removing the statue of Joe Paterno is a major overreaction. The man did a lot of great things for Penn State and was a great football coach and leader. To punish him for the sick actions of that lowlife Sandusky is largely unjustified. Lets look back in history at all our great leaders and heros, I am sure that most of them had a lot of skeletons in their closets that they didn't want anyone to find out about or else their reputations would have been severely damaged.
    Bob.. have you seen the report just released? How about punishing Joe for what JOE did? Sandusky be damned!
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    Jul 16, 2012 10:42 PM GMT
    greyston saidDespite the whaling calls to tear down Paterno's statue, the statue will stay for now.

    "You can't let people stampede you into making a rash decision," a trustee said. "The statue represents the good that Joe did. It doesn't represent the bad that he did."

    http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/8166643/joe-paterno-statue-remain-penn-state-sources-say



    My Opinion

    I hate Sandusky. I, as well as every other Penn Stater, wishes that he suffers and is tortured long before he dies in prison. But living in a prison at the bottom of the food-chain, with inmates hassling you every single day of your life, and not being able to commit suicide, will just have to do.

    I always thought Joe Pa was an asshole. But being bugged by fans every day, and not having a moment to yourself in public (like grocery shopping), I understand why sometimes he was an asshole sometimes. But he his heart was always there!

    I feel like Joe Pa did more for the kids than anyone one of us in Thon. How often do you see someone using his or her fame and fortune to raise and collect money for kids with cancer? We rarely see it anymore in our society because we don’t look for it. In PA, WE Students and Alumni use to see it all the time before he passed. He did more for the kids than anyone of us during THON/CANNING and how old was he? And Thon was a small chunk of his philanthropy. For all you peps that rolled down the window just to say Penn State sucks, we spend months of canning in the god-damn freezing cold weather collect donations to help kids fight cancer every single year, and we suck? (well I suck :-P)

    It is my OPINION that Joe Pa does receive some of the blame, but not all of it. To me Joe Pa was a great man.

    I feel like if someone is gonna place blame, blame the Board not the school. Your haters aren’t the only ones that are pissed.

    It's not the administration, or the board, or Sandusky, or Joe Pa that make up Penn State, it's the students and alumni' that is Penn State. We made The Penn State great, and we will again!

    WE ARE PENN STATE!

    I'M PENN STATE AND I'M DAMN PROUD OF IT!!!!



    Don't lose your school pride! Ultimately, college is about learning and becoming a better person.

    I love football, especially Big 10 football (Buckeye alum here). Penn State should make amends to the victims and start fresh.

    As for those who make apologies for Paterno and the others, you may want to re-read all 267 pages of the Freeh Report. Those involved in the "scandal" were well aware of what they were doing.

    Peace.
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    Jul 16, 2012 10:45 PM GMT
    It is my OPINION that Joe Pa does receive some of the blame, but not all of it. To me Joe Pa was a great man.


    As a survivor of a brutal rape, attempted murder at the hands of a teacher, when I was 13, every individual or institution that conspires to conceal the abuse and allows it to continue is as guilty as the rapist.

    Joe Paterno is a man, who allowed his friend to rape children...its that simple.

    Joe Paterno is a man, who chose his legacy and football team over the health and safety of children.

    Joe Paterno in my opinion, is the weakest of men.

    A REAL man, would have called the police, again and again and again until someone listened and Sandusky was stopped.

    Just imagine that your son was Sandusky's next rape victim and you know that Joe Paterno could have stopped it.

    Imagine Sandusky anally raping your son, and Joe Paterno does nothing to stop it.

    Is Joe Paterno a great man? WTF? Really?

    Penn State is a great school and the students should be proud BUT Really Joe Pa is a great man?

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    roadbikeRob saidI think the idea of removing the statue of Joe Paterno is a major overreaction. The man did a lot of great things for Penn State and was a great football coach and leader. To punish him for the sick actions of that lowlife Sandusky is largely unjustified. Lets look back in history at all our great leaders and heros, I am sure that most of them had a lot of skeletons in their closets that they didn't want anyone to find out about or else their reputations would have been severely damaged.


    i think anyone who argues this is amoral - but that's just me.

    i'm kerfuffled by your and CuriousJockAZ' stance. it is exactly why such turpitude prospers

    from shakespeare's julius caesar: 'the evil that men do lives after them
    the good is oft interred with their bones"

    so let it be with paterno
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    Jul 16, 2012 11:03 PM GMT
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    roadbikeRob saidI think the idea of removing the statue of Joe Paterno is a major overreaction. The man did a lot of great things for Penn State and was a great football coach and leader. To punish him for the sick actions of that lowlife Sandusky is largely unjustified. Lets look back in history at all our great leaders and heros, I am sure that most of them had a lot of skeletons in their closets that they didn't want anyone to find out about or else their reputations would have been severely damaged.


    i think anyone who argues this is amoral - but that's just me.

    i'm kerfuffled by your and CuriousJockAZ' stance. it is exactly why such turpitude prospers

    from shakespeare's julius caesar: 'the evil that men do lives after them
    the good is oft interred with their bones"

    so let it be with paterno
    Oh well, we are all entitled to our opinions. Lets just get on with life.
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    Jul 16, 2012 11:08 PM GMT
    So far from what I have read, and I am trying to find a place to download the Freeh report, it seems that the University knew at the highest levels what happened and they said nothing. If so, they then are as guilty as child abuse as the person who did it - they knew of a crime against a child and did nothing. Those that fall into this category need to go to jail. Those who have monuments need to have them taken down.

    Alumni and current students should not bear the blame or the cost, but those that did need to face justice, otherwise there will always be a cloud over the university and its name and legacy.
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    Jul 16, 2012 11:27 PM GMT
    Remove the statute, Paterno is a hypocrite and a criminal.
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    Oh I think they should keep the Joe Paterno statue up too. I think it ought to be part of the freshman recruiting tour, in fact, so that every mother and father can think on how well the university will care for its young students when they see Joe's bronze visage.

    I think it's wonderful that Penn State alumni have so circled the wagons and become petulant at the suggestion of consequences, because it exposes precisely the depth of the rot at that school. Of course, this entire sordid affair didn't happen at PSU on accident. It can only be enabled by a disgusting, insular, unreflective culture.

    Shout as loud as you can that you are proud of your alma mater - it makes it all the more obvious to everyone else that in reality there is cause for deep shame.

    My university was the stage for the Free Speech Movement. Yours protects child rapists, and insists still on protecting its precious football program above all else. YOU'RE PENN STATE AND PROUD OF IT!
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    principal0 saidOh I think they should keep the Joe Paterno statue up too. I think it ought to be part of the freshman recruiting tour, in fact, so that every mother and father can think on how well the university will care for its young students when they see Joe's bronze visage.

    I think it's wonderful that Penn State alumni have so circled the wagons and become petulant at the suggestion of consequences, because it exposes precisely the depth of the rot at that school. Of course, this entire sordid affair didn't happen at PSU on accident. It can only be enabled by a disgusting, insular, unreflective culture.

    Shout as loud as you can that you are proud of your alma mater - it makes it all the more obvious to everyone else that in reality there is cause for deep shame.

    My university was the stage for the Free Speech Movement. Yours protects child rapists, and insists still on protecting its precious football program above all else. YOU'RE PENN STATE AND PROUD OF IT!
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    principal0 saidOh I think they should keep the Joe Paterno statue up too. I think it ought to be part of the freshman recruiting tour, in fact, so that every mother and father can think on how well the university will care for its young students when they see Joe's bronze visage.

    I think it's wonderful that Penn State alumni have so circled the wagons and become petulant at the suggestion of consequences, because it exposes precisely the depth of the rot at that school. Of course, this entire sordid affair didn't happen at PSU on accident. It can only be enabled by a disgusting, insular, unreflective culture.

    Shout as loud as you can that you are proud of your alma mater - it makes it all the more obvious to everyone else that in reality there is cause for deep shame.

    My university was the stage for the Free Speech Movement. Yours protects child rapists, and insists still on protecting its precious football program above all else. YOU'RE PENN STATE AND PROUD OF IT!


    Genius.