Balancing:" "Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. " Thanks for the FOX NEWS translation, jockfever. paulflexes: +1 TropicalMark: +2
jockfever: Genius, the quote was direct from the Dear Leader's mouth and the article was from American Thinker.
So because the government uses our tax money to oversee the construction of roads and bridges, we should surrender our freedom and prosperity to Obama so he can
take over the healthcare system, take over the energy sector, use the EPA to take over industry, hollow out the private sector, hollow out the military, outsource NASA to Russia, expand the corrupt federal welfare state while destroying it, and fundamentally transform America into a weaker, poorer has-been nation.
Thanks to the Marxist disaster in the White House and useful idiots, it's mourning in America.
Perhaps it's not Fox News influencing your perceptions of President Obama.
But if you believe that "Even if you listen to the whole speech you come away with the same feeling."........
I do believe that something is causing you to engage in prejudicial listening.
Sort of a "interesting" argument if you think that everyone that doesn't believe as you do is somewhat influenced negatively.
I listened to more on youtube than what had been clipped on any cable outlet. I listened to 10 minutes plus and minus of this specific comment.
So What is he exactly saying Balancing? I also read that slate author you referenced but didn't link to. The author devolves into political wonkyness and how the Whitehouse is backtracking things.
He also said "The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together."
No where in the speech does Obama says that. He is digesting and rewriting the speech for him. Where was the BUT or ALSO? He also doesnt give reference to 1 word Obama said to base that conclusion on.
So where is they beef? What specifically is inaccurate?
So far I posted a link to the video. Yet you already are interpreting what I believe. And how its influenced.
What I find most objectionable that is Implied in Obama's speech if not stated outright, is the idea that our successes are not or own.
"that is Implied in Obama's speech if not stated outright, "
musclmed,
The Committed Right Wing Ear HEARS DIFFERENTLY.
What you are interpreting is NOT STATED OUTRIGHT......
and to a more objective listener is NOT IMPLIED either.
I'm not bashing you and this isn't an attempt at being snide. The fact is that ALL OF US, once we've made up our mind to hate someone, no longer have the capacity of LISTEN.
The Obama comment about the business owners not having created the business but someone else did is getting most of the rebuttals. And rightly so because his true beliefs are shown when he gets off the teleprompter. His supporters will claim it was taken out of context and he only meant the infrastructure benefits us all.
He made another comment that will be harder to claim it was taken out of context, the comment that business owners think they are so smart. His words and tone clearly demonstrate an antagonistic attitude towards those successful in the private sector. Obama's War on Success. Perhaps, just perhaps, sitting in Rev Wright's church for 20 years hearing him say "God damn America" really did have an impact.
socalfitness saidThe Obama comment about the business owners not having created the business but someone else did is getting most of the rebuttals. And rightly so because his true beliefs are shown when he gets off the teleprompter. His supporters will claim it was taken out of context and he only meant the infrastructure benefits us all.
He made another comment that will be harder to claim it was taken out of context, the comment that business owners think they are so smart. His words and tone clearly demonstrate an antagonistic attitude towards those successful in the private sector. Obama's War on Success. Perhaps, just perhaps, sitting in Rev Wright's church for 20 years hearing him say "God damn America" really did have an impact.
It's a ridiculous view that's easily refuted... it's remarkable how prescient Atlas Shrugged was:
“He didn’t invent iron ore and blast furnaces, did he?”
“Who?”
“Rearden. He didn’t invent smelting and chemistry and air compression. He couldn’t have invented his Metal but for thousands and thousands of other people. His Metal! Why does he think it’s his? Why does he think it’s his invention? Everybody uses the work of everybody else. Nobody ever invents anything.”
She said, puzzled, “But the iron ore and all those other things were there all the time. Why didn’t anybody else make that Metal, but Mr. Rearden did?”
"that is Implied in Obama's speech if not stated outright, "
musclmed,
The Committed Right Wing Ear HEARS DIFFERENTLY.
What you are interpreting is NOT STATED OUTRIGHT......
and to a more objective listener is NOT IMPLIED either.
I'm not bashing you and this isn't an attempt at being snide. The fact is that ALL OF US, once we've made up our mind to hate someone, no longer have the capacity of LISTEN.
Balancing, you haven't made one argument . Well except that everyone has bias. Which I agree.
You just are talking about the "Committed right wing" which didnt give Obama those words.
You have not refuted or discussed one bit of substance of what I have said or discussed one word of Obama's speech.
ConfederateGhost saidActually. There is not one fucking person who got rich on their own.
Every single successful person in the United States of America got there because others played extremely important roles.
In that sense, President Obama is absolutely fucking right. No one is or has single-handedly been successful on their own.
Correct.. If no one buys your shit, pays you for your shit, you aint got shit. Unless your stole it or screwed someone out of it (which is the same thing).
Everyone uses and benefits from the public infrastructure... Roads, airports, water systems, police protection, etc. Therefore everyone must help pay for it. The end.
KissTheSky saidAttention Conservatives of America:
Everyone uses and benefits from the public infrastructure... Roads, airports, water systems, police protection, etc. Therefore everyone must help pay for it. The end.
So why do so few people in the US pay federal taxes?
ConfederateGhost saidActually. There is not one fucking person who got rich on their own.
Every single successful person in the United States of America got there because others played extremely important roles.
In that sense, President Obama is absolutely fucking right. No one is or has single-handedly been successful on their own.
And yet that wealth would not have been generated without those successful people. Why haven't others made more of the same access to public goods they were given? Why didn't others do exactly what they did?
Again, Atlas Shrugged seems prescient:
“He didn’t invent iron ore and blast furnaces, did he?”
“Who?”
“Rearden. He didn’t invent smelting and chemistry and air compression. He couldn’t have invented his Metal but for thousands and thousands of other people. His Metal! Why does he think it’s his? Why does he think it’s his invention? Everybody uses the work of everybody else. Nobody ever invents anything.”
She said, puzzled, “But the iron ore and all those other things were there all the time. Why didn’t anybody else make that Metal, but Mr. Rearden did?”
KissTheSky saidAttention Conservatives of America:
Everyone uses and benefits from the public infrastructure... Roads, airports, water systems, police protection, etc. Therefore everyone must help pay for it. The end.
Maybe apply for Obama as a speechwriter. He did not exactly say that.
He said your success is not yours alone, and therefore neither is your prosperity.
Romney and Bain sure didn't make it on their own. They did it on the back of lots of "free stuff" that Romney loves to attack average Americans about:
"It's that Romney is taking advantage of the government's "free stuff," too, and has been profiting from it handsomely for a long, long time -- even as he rails about the "free stuff" that the government provides other people.
Let's just take one example -- GST Steel. Here is a little Kansas City, Missouri steel company Bain Capital bought for $75 million, but put only $8 million of its own money into the deal. They borrowed the rest. Within a year, Romney and Bain put GST Steel further into debt, borrowing another $125 million. Some of that money was put to good use, modernizing the factory. But $36 million of the borrowed money was paid to Mitt Romney and Bain in the form of a dividend. Do you get that?
Less than a year after loading the company up with debt, Romney and Bain gave themselves bonuses four times bigger than the $8 million they had put into the deal. And guess what the tax rate they had to pay on that unearned income was? A lot less than yours. You guessed it: 15 percent. Thank you for all that extra "free stuff" from the U.S. Government's tax code.
Bain also asked Kansas City for a $3 million tax break. The Bain executives were taking home $36 million in borrowed funds and were asking Kansas City to forfeit $3 million in public money for police officers, roads and schools? More free stuff!
Then, when GST Steel filed for bankruptcy and laid off 750 people, we learned that Bain had consciously underfunded its pension obligations to those employees. The company simply decided not to meet its legal responsibilities. The end result: the federal government's pension benefit guarantee corporation was stuck with a $44 million bill.
That federal agency was created for the purpose of guaranteeing pensions in the event of a catastrophe in the private sector -- the ultimate safety net. And it had to fork over the money to save the worker pensions that Bain chose to underfund.
So, that's $44 million for the pensions, $3 million for the local tax breaks and $7 million from the federal tax code. A total of $54 million in free stuff from the government. And that was just one of Bain's companies.
Mitt Romney privatizes the gains from his enterprises, but spreads the costs to the rest of us.
KissTheSky saidAttention Conservatives of America:
Everyone uses and benefits from the public infrastructure... Roads, airports, water systems, police protection, etc. Therefore everyone must help pay for it. The end.
Maybe apply for Obama as a speechwriter. He did not exactly say that.
He said your success is not yours alone, and therefore neither is your prosperity.
Your prosperity is NOT yours alone -- part of it goes to the government in the form of taxes. Is this a new concept to conservatives? I've been paying taxes all my adult life. That's how it works.
