In the Age of Transparancy: Why Obama's College Records Really Do Matter. And why are they hidden?

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    Jul 17, 2012 9:27 PM GMT
    http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/07/why_obamas_college_records_matter.html

    Why Obama's College Records Matter By Monte Kuligowski, July 17, 2012

    In context of the "mounting pressure" for Mitt Romney to provide more tax and employment records, a reporter recently asked White House Press Secretary Jay Carney whether President Obama would set an example in transparency and release some of his records that critics have asked for.

    That question was fingernails on the chalkboard to Carney. "Is that from Donald Trump?" Carey sneered, and laughed -- this time conspicuously alone.

    This time it was Carney's own boss who had recently opened the door by demanding that Romney be an "open book" on personal finances.

    Carney responded with the audacious claim that Obama is an "open book" and has a record of "unprecedented transparency." And the sky is green, and the grass is blue. Carney also suggested that the question wasn't specific.

    When the reporter got specific and asked if Obama would release his college records, Carney replied: "Right, this is the Donald Trump question. It is preposterous. This is from the guy who insisted he didn't believe the president was born in the United States."

    Asking for college records is preposterous?

    Writing for the TheBlaze.com, Jason Howerton suggests:

    Carney was obviously trying to lump those who are interested to see what types of college courses Obama took in college into the same category as 'birthers.' However, many who want to see the president's college transcripts say wanting to see the president's transcripts has nothing to do with his citizenship. Rather they argue it could help provide insight into the types of courses Obama sought out while in college, which some believe promoted radical ideologies.

    Yes, many want to see Obama's college records for grades and courses (as with G.W. Bush and others). But in Obama's case, the primary reason to see his college applications is to learn whether the president applied for college in the U.S. as a foreign student.

    Why should the public want to confirm that Obama did not register as a foreigner while not having the same concern for other candidates? Read on.

    Most of the basic records of Barack Obama's past -- vital, hospital, medical, education, passport, draft registration, et al. -- are guarded as securely as the gold at Fort Knox. Notably, two documents -- elementary school and Selective Service registrations -- were obtained by independent citizens. And Breitbart.com independently obtained an interesting biographical brochure produced in 1991 by Obama's literary publicist.

    The Associated Press (AP) was able to obtain a copy of Obama's elementary school registration from the Fransiskus Assisi School in Jakarta, Indonesia in 2007.

    And Stephen Coffman, a retired Immigration and Customs Enforcement agent, obtained a copy of Obama's Selective Service registration form via a FOIA request just days prior to the 2008 election.

    From the 2012 Breitbart discovery we learned that Mr. Obama presented himself in 1991 as "born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii." From the AP discovery we learned that Barack Obama was registered for school in Jakarta as a citizen of Indonesia named Barry Soetoro. And from the Selective Service registration form we learned that the same form had been forged.

    Barack Obama lived in Islamic Indonesia as Barry Soetoro with his mother and stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, and attended school in Jakarta from ages 6 to 10. It's beyond amazing that the general public is not aware of that fact. Last Thanksgiving I was with my in-laws and was surprised to learn that they had never heard that Obama lived in Indonesia as Barry Soetoro. And they are not uneducated people.

    The "mainstream" media do not want to touch those facts.

    The big question is whether little Barry was adopted by his stepfather, who was a citizen of Indonesia. There is reason to believe that he was and that in order to have been enrolled in public school in Indonesia, Barry had to be a citizen. Aaron Klein of WND.com notes that "[a]fter attending the Assisi Primary School, Obama later was enrolled at SDN Menteng 1, an Indonesian public school."

    That Obama might have been a citizen of Indonesia and later presented himself as a foreign student in the U.S. is no "birther" conspiracy theory. It's the gravamen of the college records question.

    Let's stop right here and stipulate for the sake of argument that Barack Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii.

    But even with the stipulation, we nevertheless have a major problem with Obama's records and staunch secrecy.

    Of the few records that we have seen relating to Obama's past all are problematic and they point to a potential citizenship problem for Barack Hussein Obama II aka Barry Soetoro.

    Mr. Obama's Arizona nemesis, Sheriff Joe Arpaio, is readily dismissed by the establishment press as a man with an ax to grind -- but his control-test findings have not been disproven.

    Once again, the general public remains in the dark because the national one-voice media will not touch the story.

    Sherriff Joe's law enforcement "posse" confirmed what a multitude of nonpartisan computer graphic experts have already known. The image Mr. Obama "released" on April 27, 2011 is a computer-generated forgery. Irrespective of Mr. Obama's Hawaii birth, for some reason Obama did not upload a certified copy of his birth certificate to the internet; neither is he allowing Hawaii to send certified paper copies to interested state election officials.

    Since Obama was born in Hawaii, the question is: why the forgery? And why the continued secrecy?

    Something is not right. I have speculated that Obama's secrecy over the birth certificate may have been a calculated diversion from the important constitutional requirement for presidential candidates to have been born with a natural, sole allegiance to the United States.

    That could be partially correct. Additionally, Obama might be hiding an amendment to his birth certificate, reflecting his adoption by Lolo Soetoro.

    Others have suggested that the reason for the forgery could be over a petty issue, such as his mother having signed the certificate with her maiden name. In other words, but for the secrecy and forgery, the birth certificate may be completely irrelevant.

    Nevertheless, if Obama has a citizenship problem because of Indonesia, the rest of the oddities and secrecies begin to make sense.

    Sheriff Joe's team found probable cause to conclude that Obama also forged his Selective Service registration form. The mismatched date stamp "80" instead of "1980" is evidence not only of forgery, but of a crude forgery.

    Then there is the question of why is Obama using a Social Security number issued on application from Connecticut, a state in which he never lived.

    If that's not a news story, what is? Romney's tax records?

    In light of the few biographical documents we have seen so far, coupled with the bizarre secrecy of Obama, it might be a good idea for "pressure to mount" for Obama to produce his college records.

    And while we're at it, what passport did Obama use for his college break to Islamic Pakistan in 1981?

    Since Obama is an "open book," producing informative records shouldn't be a problem for him.
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    Jul 17, 2012 9:33 PM GMT
    I see a trade in the works. Obamas Harvard records for Romneys 1999-2003 tax year records. Sure Obama was busted for selling dope, that should be a fun read, but my oh my, imagine the lurid details from Uncle Mitties returns, with all that stinky money and all those jobs running off to china and mean old uncle Mitties cash being sent to live in far off islands. Yeah, let's arrange a trade. You show me yours, I'll show you mine.
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    Jul 17, 2012 10:03 PM GMT
    smartmoney saidI see a trade in the works. Obamas Harvard records for Romneys 1999-2003 tax year records. Sure Obama was busted for selling dope, that should be a fun read, but my oh my, imagine the lurid details from Uncle Mitties returns, with all that stinky money and all those jobs running off to china and mean old uncle Mitties cash being sent to live in far off islands. Yeah, let's arrange a trade. You show me yours, I'll show you mine.



    SEEMS FAIR, don't you think, socalfitness?
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    Jul 17, 2012 10:08 PM GMT
    Demanding Obama's academic record is an apples-oranges comparison. Obama already HAS revealed his past tax records, now where are Romney's? In recent years all other Presidential candidates have revealed theirs. But few reveal academic records.

    This is like saying: you've already shown us your orange, but you can't see mine until you also reveal your apple, in addition to your orange.
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    Jul 17, 2012 10:15 PM GMT
    John.. I have held a TS clearance with special access when I was working with the State dept. Yeah, I hold in my hand a BLACK passport.icon_wink.gif
    You dont think for a millisecond that the SSBI investigators didnt see every transcript I have (from kindergarten on)? Think again.. They drug people up from my childhood.

    This GARBAGE you posted is just that. STUPID garbage. I am appalled that a man of your intelligence plays this silly game.
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    Jul 17, 2012 10:23 PM GMT
    Obama has never used his college career as a campaigning issue.

    Romney has continually boasted about his time at Bain Capital (including the disputed years) and made it the central plank of his presidential campaign.

    It is as simple as that really.
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    Jul 17, 2012 10:33 PM GMT
    http://www.military-money-matters.com/the-real-obama.html#axzz20vCkU9WK
    "Unbelievably, the President of the United States is not required to undergo the background investigation necessary for a security clearance. Yet he is privy to our nation's most sensitive classified information."

    http://spectator.org/archives/2008/10/17/obama-couldnt-be-cleared
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    Jul 17, 2012 10:35 PM GMT
    TropicalMark said I am appalled that a man of your intelligence plays this silly game.


    I'm sorry, I thought the original post was by socalfitness?
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    Jul 17, 2012 10:43 PM GMT
    If the show fits, wear it, so here goes:

    Everyone should realize that in America one cannot ask a black man for any credentials much less college transcripts. To do so is just simply Anti-African, er, excuse me, Anti-American. icon_wink.gif
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    Jul 17, 2012 10:46 PM GMT
    Claim: Barack Obama would not qualify for security clearance due to his relationship with Bill Ayres.

    Status: False

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/security.asp
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    Jul 17, 2012 10:46 PM GMT
    Il_Dolce_Cranky saidThis smells desperate.
    John, I think it's time for you to plan on how you're going to handle your anger and disappointment in November. It's less than four months off.

    Actually I have a big smile on my face, and I have held back more overt participation here such as starting a thread for the following links, but Jeff, these are just for you. Enjoy!

    July panic for Obama — for good reason
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/post/july-panic-for-obama--for-good-reason/2012/07/15/gJQARQFXmW_blog.html

    Quoting above with additional comment
    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/07/is_the_obama_campaign_in_panic_mode.html
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    Jul 17, 2012 10:49 PM GMT
    God what F'n Hypocrisy from Republicans and their Apologists,

    Age of transparency my azzzzz, While we're talking, lets have transparence on matters of a hell of a lot more importance than Obama's College Records


    Lets start with Romney's tenure on the BAIN Capitol Board as well as while he was head man, during this time of Romney's involvement Bain had the reputation of leading the way for outsourcing American jobs. So lets have transparency on that and his taxes during that time period.


    Just the other day Republicans marched in Lockstep while filibustering the DISCLOSE ACT for transparency from donors, no they don't want transparency on that, but the trollups want transparency on Obama's College Records of all things Can't Republican Apologists who write such articles come up with anything better than this ?.


    I am amazed at the shameless hypocrisy of republicans to even trott out such bullshit let alone gay republicans. But watch the whole conservaposse band together to support this latest hypocrisy. Hyocrisy and shamelessness is after all a cherished value of their party's, so I guess I shouldn't be amazed at all.
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    Jul 17, 2012 10:50 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 saidClaim: Barack Obama would not qualify for security clearance due to his relationship with Bill Ayres.

    Status: False

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/security.asp

    Put little stock in Snopes. That was speculation from unnamed sources. Those who have reason to know assert associations can be problematic, especially with TS Clearances and compartmentalized accesses.
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    Jul 17, 2012 10:54 PM GMT
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    Ex_Mil8 saidClaim: Barack Obama would not qualify for security clearance due to his relationship with Bill Ayres.

    Status: False

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/security.asp

    Put little stock in Snopes. That was speculation from unnamed sources. Those who have reason to know assert associations can be problematic, especially with TS Clearances and compartmentalized accesses.


    Rubbish. All the sources are named and they are all security-clearance specialists. Try reading before rambling.
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    Jul 17, 2012 10:59 PM GMT
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    socalfitness said
    Ex_Mil8 saidClaim: Barack Obama would not qualify for security clearance due to his relationship with Bill Ayres.

    Status: False

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/security.asp

    Put little stock in Snopes. That was speculation from unnamed sources. Those who have reason to know assert associations can be problematic, especially with TS Clearances and compartmentalized accesses.


    Rubbish. All the sources are named. Try reading before rambling.

    OK, correction. They were named, but their qualifications not corroborated, and there is no certainty that they are familiar with specific requirements for TS + Compartmentalized access. The investigations are highly detailed and their comments might apply only to the Confidential level, and possibly Secret, but even at that level, things would not be dismissed as causally as they suggest.
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    Jul 17, 2012 11:06 PM GMT
    President is not vetted for a clearance. The election alone grants him access. PERIOD.
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    Jul 17, 2012 11:18 PM GMT
    TropicalMark saidPresident is not vetted for a clearance. The election alone grants him access. PERIOD.

    Yes, indeed. You realize you have made your previous message in this thread completely irrelevant?
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    Jul 17, 2012 11:35 PM GMT
    socalfitness said
    They were named, but their qualifications not corroborated, and there is no certainty that they are familiar with specific requirements for TS + Compartmentalized access. The investigations are highly detailed and their comments might apply only to the Confidential level, and possibly Secret, but even at that level, things would not be dismissed as causally as they suggest.


    As they were referring to Obama's potential to qualify for a Secret Service position (all of which require TS clearance as a minimum) I think we can safely assume they were referring to TS clearance. As security-clearance experts, it would be rather odd if they were not conversant with the vetting procedure for all clearance levels.

    Snopes have a very sound reputation for fact checking and you would do well not to casually dismiss their integrity (especially given some of the very dubious sources from which you quote).
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    Jul 17, 2012 11:58 PM GMT
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    socalfitness said
    They were named, but their qualifications not corroborated, and there is no certainty that they are familiar with specific requirements for TS + Compartmentalized access. The investigations are highly detailed and their comments might apply only to the Confidential level, and possibly Secret, but even at that level, things would not be dismissed as causally as they suggest.


    As they were referring to Obama's potential to qualify for a Secret Service position (all of which require TS clearance as a minimum) I think we can safely assume they were referring to TS clearance. As security-clearance experts, it would be rather odd if they were not conversant with the vetting procedure for all clearance levels.

    Snopes have a very sound reputation for fact checking and you would do well not to casually dismiss their integrity (especially given some of the very dubious sources from which you quote).

    We don't know their degree of expertise. This is an area that I am personally quite familiar with. But regardless, the thread pertains to the question of Obama's records and transparency. The point of SSBI was to respond to the tangent of TropicalMark, which even he hopefully realized was irrelevant to the discussion. Also irrelevant was your previous suggestion that Obama's records should be irrelevant merely because he did not choose to make them a campaign issue.

    Added: I know many people who could not get particular clearances because of family connections in other countries, even when there were no doubts about their loyalty. So to hear these Snopes "experts" dismissively say "no problem" tells me they are not experts at all.
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    Ex_Mil8 saidClaim: Barack Obama would not qualify for security clearance due to his relationship with Bill Ayres.

    Status: False

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/security.asp

    Put little stock in Snopes. That was speculation from unnamed sources. Those who have reason to know assert associations can be problematic, especially with TS Clearances and compartmentalized accesses.


    "PUT LITTLE STOCK IN SNOPES." ???

    So what's your preferred site for your TRUTH? WorldNetDaily?

    socalfitness, you mention "Those who have reason to know".

    You have special access to this near secret information?

    DELUSIONAL MUCH???
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    Jul 18, 2012 2:59 AM GMT
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    TropicalMark saidPresident is not vetted for a clearance. The election alone grants him access. PERIOD.

    Yes, indeed. You realize you have made your previous message in this thread completely irrelevant?
    Its NOT irrelevant.
    You dont think the POTUS is not 'vetted' to be the POTUS? Think again.
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    Jul 18, 2012 3:04 AM GMT
    May I rephrase the title to something that is a bit more truthful?


    Obama is a black, socialist, nazi who was born in Africa. There's no way he went to college, let alone Harvard! We want proof!


    There. There is your more truthful title. You are welcome.
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    Jul 18, 2012 3:04 AM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 saidObama has never used his college career as a campaigning issue.

    Romney has continually boasted about his time at Bain Capital (including the disputed years) and made it the central plank of his presidential campaign.

    It is as simple as that really.


    Obama has never used anything he has done in his career as a campaigning issue because he has never done anything he can run on. His campaign is to try to demonize and blame congress and attack Romney. Obama can't run on his record because if he does he loses.
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    Jul 18, 2012 3:34 AM GMT
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    socalfitness said
    Ex_Mil8 saidClaim: Barack Obama would not qualify for security clearance due to his relationship with Bill Ayres.

    Status: False

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/security.asp

    Put little stock in Snopes. That was speculation from unnamed sources. Those who have reason to know assert associations can be problematic, especially with TS Clearances and compartmentalized accesses.


    "PUT LITTLE STOCK IN SNOPES." ???

    So what's your preferred site for your TRUTH? WorldNetDaily?

    socalfitness, you mention "Those who have reason to know".

    You have special access to this near secret information?

    DELUSIONAL MUCH???

    I will give you the benefit of the doubt assuming you thought I was referring to "those who have reason to know" meaning those with specific knowledge of Obama's history. That was not what I was referring to. I was specifically referring to those who have reason to know the guidelines and general policies associated with investigations for clearances.
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    Jul 18, 2012 4:23 AM GMT
    nanidesukedo saidMay I rephrase the title to something that is a bit more truthful?


    Obama is a black, socialist, nazi who was born in Africa. There's no way he went to college, let alone Harvard! We want proof!


    There. There is your more truthful title. You are welcome.







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