Study: Choices Matter in Avoiding Poverty

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    Jul 17, 2012 11:25 PM GMT
    The New York Times both reports on the study and is shocked...

    http://www.mindingthecampus.com/forum/2012/07/choices_matter_in_avoiding_pov.html

    As many critics have noticed, the gap between Page One news coverage of social issues in the New York Times and the editorial response inside is often not a spacious one. Yesterday the Times ran a huge news article (more than two full pages), "Two Classes, Divided by 'I Do,'' on the economic and social plight of single mothers in a society marked by rising income inequality.

    Coverage of the facts, by the knowledgeable reporter Jason DeParle, is solid. The problem is that single mothers are presented as victims of a tsunami of inequality that has little or nothing to do with their own behavior. The language is passive. Two-income families are presented as a sort of unfair advantage that descends on some married women more often than on single ones. One featured woman had "a troubled relationship that left her with three children..." and "marriage and its rewards (are) evermore confined to the fortunate classes." Who does this confining? We never learn.

    The article does have one strong line about choices: "I am in this position because of decisions I made."

    But no study is mentioned to support this common sense view. However, here is FactCheck.org citing a Brookings study:

    "Ron Haskins, co-author of the Brookings study, which looked at Census Bureau data on a sample of Americans, wrote that the analysis found that young adults who finished high school, worked full time and got married after age 21 and before having kids "had a 2 percent chance of winding up in poverty and a 74 percent chance of winding up in the middle class (defined as earning roughly $50,000 or more). By contrast, young adults who violated all three norms had a 76 percent chance of winding up in poverty and a 7 percent chance of winding up in the middle class."

    Finding full-time work is, of course, now very difficult, but the other factors are powerful ones that affect outcomes. They continue to count.
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    Jul 17, 2012 11:53 PM GMT
    To highlight: ""Ron Haskins, co-author of the Brookings study, which looked at Census Bureau data on a sample of Americans, wrote that the analysis found that young adults who finished high school, worked full time and got married after age 21 and before having kids "had a 2 percent chance of winding up in poverty and a 74 percent chance of winding up in the middle class (defined as earning roughly $50,000 or more). By contrast, young adults who violated all three norms had a 76 percent chance of winding up in poverty and a 7 percent chance of winding up in the middle class."
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    Jul 17, 2012 11:58 PM GMT
    riddler78 saidTo highlight: ""Ron Haskins, co-author of the Brookings study, which looked at Census Bureau data on a sample of Americans, wrote that the analysis found that young adults who finished high school, worked full time and got married after age 21 and before having kids "had a 2 percent chance of winding up in poverty and a 74 percent chance of winding up in the middle class (defined as earning roughly $50,000 or more). By contrast, young adults who violated all three norms had a 76 percent chance of winding up in poverty and a 7 percent chance of winding up in the middle class."
    Aint it a cryin shame that a lot of those folks cant get married? Even AFTER 21? Guess you didnt think about that did ya?.

    You never do.. you just spout the bullshyte.

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    Jul 18, 2012 12:29 AM GMT
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    riddler78 saidTo highlight: ""Ron Haskins, co-author of the Brookings study, which looked at Census Bureau data on a sample of Americans, wrote that the analysis found that young adults who finished high school, worked full time and got married after age 21 and before having kids "had a 2 percent chance of winding up in poverty and a 74 percent chance of winding up in the middle class (defined as earning roughly $50,000 or more). By contrast, young adults who violated all three norms had a 76 percent chance of winding up in poverty and a 7 percent chance of winding up in the middle class."
    Aint it a cryin shame that a lot of those folks cant get married? Even AFTER 21? Guess you didnt think about that did ya?.

    You never do.. you just spout the bullshyte.

    ...not to mention the fact that gays can't have kids. Yet here we are, statistically the highest income earners.

    Fuck that "report." It's more of a mind game promoting heterosexuality than a report.
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    Jul 18, 2012 12:34 AM GMT
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    riddler78 saidTo highlight: ""Ron Haskins, co-author of the Brookings study, which looked at Census Bureau data on a sample of Americans, wrote that the analysis found that young adults who finished high school, worked full time and got married after age 21 and before having kids "had a 2 percent chance of winding up in poverty and a 74 percent chance of winding up in the middle class (defined as earning roughly $50,000 or more). By contrast, young adults who violated all three norms had a 76 percent chance of winding up in poverty and a 7 percent chance of winding up in the middle class."
    Aint it a cryin shame that a lot of those folks cant get married? Even AFTER 21? Guess you didnt think about that did ya?.

    You never do.. you just spout the bullshyte.

    ...not to mention the fact that gays can't have kids. Yet here we are, statistically the highest income earners.

    Fuck that "report." It's more of a mind game promoting heterosexuality than a report.
    And ridiot just eats that stuff up like a starving child.
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    Jul 18, 2012 12:47 AM GMT
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    riddler78 saidTo highlight: ""Ron Haskins, co-author of the Brookings study, which looked at Census Bureau data on a sample of Americans, wrote that the analysis found that young adults who finished high school, worked full time and got married after age 21 and before having kids "had a 2 percent chance of winding up in poverty and a 74 percent chance of winding up in the middle class (defined as earning roughly $50,000 or more). By contrast, young adults who violated all three norms had a 76 percent chance of winding up in poverty and a 7 percent chance of winding up in the middle class."
    Aint it a cryin shame that a lot of those folks cant get married? Even AFTER 21? Guess you didnt think about that did ya?.

    You never do.. you just spout the bullshyte.

    ...not to mention the fact that gays can't have kids. Yet here we are, statistically the highest income earners.

    Fuck that "report." It's more of a mind game promoting heterosexuality than a report.


    Not sure about that. From what I've seen, gays have higher disposable incomes - but they don't earn more (e.g. http://www.thetaskforce.org/press/releases/pr68_120398)

    Of course this is just a good argument of why gay marriage / civil unions should be allowed.