I'm getting totally confused about what I should eat!

  • Flamesoul

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    Jul 18, 2012 7:07 PM GMT
    First of all I gotta say... sorry if my English sucks, it's not my native language. Now that this is out of the way...

    Lurking here on RJ,I got to read some pretty interesting things. Things that are starting to make me think that everything I know about healthy eating habits is wrong !

    I'm just so confused and I don't know how or what I should or shouldn't eat! How/where did you guys learn all this stuff ?

    For instance, I JUST learned that it might not have been true that eating more than two eggs per week was bad for cholesterol. I read that some guys here eat more than 4 eggs per day and they don't have any problems as long as they stay active & keep working out. Damn.

    I read stuff about processed foods being unhealthy. To be fair, I already had an idea but, still...( Could I have more examples of what is considered ''processed foods'' beyond processed meat? I'm a complete newbie at this...) Well, all this is making me really confused and I got lots of questions... I really don't know what to eat or not, so I'd like some advice...

    The questions I'm about to ask will probably make you think that I'm either retarded or that I've been brought up with unhealthy eating habits and that I'm now struggling to find out how to eat right. Well, the latter is the right answer.

    For Example:

    1)I put skim milk in my cereals... I know it's not almond milk... But will it do for now ? It really sucks that healthy food costs a lot more... I used to drink 2% milk... Skim milk is probably a good upgrade right ?

    2) Fast Food is bad, I know that, but Subway's submarine sandwiches--are they considered healthy food if I only eat grilled chicken sub (cause I know chicken's healthier....) and if I always make sure to choose 9-grain bread, and to put Lettuce, tomatoes and cucumbers in it. I also always tell the clerk to never put any sauce or salt or pepper. So is this a healthy sandwich ?

    3) I guess sodium is bad... I try to watch it more now. Does it really make that much of a difference ? Salt will make me take longer to feel that I have to go take a wizz, so it takes longer for me to get toxins out of my body. Did I get that right ?

    4) Pizza is considered fast food, I guess... But is it so bad if I take like... one slice of pepperoni pizza per week ?

    Yeah I don't know anything. I guess I need help ? Any help and tips would be much appreciated ! I just want to have a healthy body, to have a healthy mind and a healthy life. Oh and so I can lose the fat.. Or gain muscle...
  • Flamesoul

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    Jul 18, 2012 9:30 PM GMT
    No reply huh... Is this in the wrong forum or something?
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    Jul 18, 2012 9:44 PM GMT
    No, you're in the right place. It's just a lot of questions on a really big topic. Let me take a stab at it....

    1. When people say processed food, what they mean is anything that is left out on the counter that doesn't go bad. Real food spoils. For example, you leave cereal out on the counter, it's fine to eat. You leave fruit or meat out and it will go bad. Processed food has chemicals added to make it last long. This is just a very general idea...don't over think it.

    2. Skim milk is fine as long as you're not lactose intolerant. Almond milk is better. It's a scale. Skim milk is better than coke. Coke is better than gasoline.

    3. Sandwiches are also better than other things, like pizza, if they have real meat and veggies on them. The bread isn't great for you but it's better than a Taco Bell taco or a McDonald's hamburger.

    4. Sodium is bad in high quantities and can cause blood pressure issues. This is best discussed with a doctor.

    5. One slice of pizza isn't going to kill you, however, if you're eating a bunch of other less healthy foods, it all accumulates. Your goal, in my opinion, is to eat as healthy as you can. You're not going to be perfect. Don't beat yourself up...just do your best. Sometimes good food isn't available, sometimes it costs too much.....you have to eat. Try to make good choices.

    Good luck.
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    Jul 18, 2012 9:45 PM GMT
    Flamesoul said

    For Example:

    1)I put skim milk in my cereals... I know it's not almond milk... But will it do for now ? It really sucks that healthy food costs a lot more... I used to drink 2% milk... Skim milk is probably a good upgrade right ?

    2) Fast Food is bad, I know that, but Subway's submarine sandwiches--are they considered healthy food if I only eat grilled chicken sub (cause I know chicken's healthier....) and if I always make sure to choose 9-grain bread, and to put Lettuce, tomatoes and cucumbers in it. I also always tell the clerk to never put any sauce or salt or pepper. So is this a healthy sandwich ?

    3) I guess sodium is bad... I try to watch it more now. Does it really make that much of a difference ? Salt will make me take longer to feel that I have to go take a wizz, so it takes longer for me to get toxins out of my body. Did I get that right ?

    4) Pizza is considered fast food, I guess... But is it so bad if I take like... one slice of pepperoni pizza per week ?

    Yeah I don't know anything. I guess I need help ? Any help and tips would be much appreciated ! I just want to have a healthy body, to have a healthy mind and a healthy life. Oh and so I can lose the fat.. Or gain muscle...


    First, your English is really good! Great job.

    Secondly, everyone's body is different. In your question about eggs, some people's body deal with cholesterol better than others. You should check your ancestry for any heart disease. But to be on the safest side, just eat eggs whites.

    To answer your questions in your examples:

    1)I put skim milk in my cereals... I know it's not almond milk... But will it do for now ? It really sucks that healthy food costs a lot more... I used to drink 2% milk... Skim milk is probably a good upgrade right ?

    Skim milk is good, is still has some fat and still gives you protein and calcium. Almond milk does not have alot of protein, but has good fats.

    2) Fast Food is bad, I know that, but Subway's submarine sandwiches--are they considered healthy food if I only eat grilled chicken sub (cause I know chicken's healthier....) and if I always make sure to choose 9-grain bread, and to put Lettuce, tomatoes and cucumbers in it. I also always tell the clerk to never put any sauce or salt or pepper. So is this a healthy sandwich ?

    Yes, the way you have your sandwich prepared sounds as healthy as it can get as Subway. Just be careful and don't eliminate all fats from your diet. There are good fats that your body needs for growth and hormone production. Mayonnaise actually isn't as bad as people make it out to be, used in moderation. And a little salt and pepper won't kill you, so don't completely deprive yourself. Unless you're a pro bodybuilder or a fitness model, you don't need to be that strict. Also, you may want to check on the 9-grain bread or any whole grain bread. Make sure it is, in fact, whole grain. Many "healthy" breads actually have more enriched flour than whole grain flour and that is not as healthy as it may lead one to think.

    3) I guess sodium is bad... I try to watch it more now. Does it really make that much of a difference ? Salt will make me take longer to feel that I have to go take a wizz, so it takes longer for me to get toxins out of my body. Did I get that right ?

    Alot of salt makes a difference. But, salt in moderation is okay. Yes, it does impact blood pressure and water retention, but, again, use it in moderation. Your body does need sodium.

    4) Pizza is considered fast food, I guess... But is it so bad if I take like... one slice of pepperoni pizza per week ?

    One slice of pepperoni isn't all that bad. But, the better choice would be chicken instead of pepperoni or just plain cheese or even the ham and pineapple. Pepperoni has tons of salt and fat. Again, once a week isn't bad, but if there are better alternatives that taste just as good, you should choose those. Personally, I don't like pepperoni that much anymore.
  • Flamesoul

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    Jul 18, 2012 9:47 PM GMT
    Thanks for the help... But it's going to be so hard to avoid all these bad foods that ironically taste so good to me. Like bread... Everyone eats bread right ? How the heck am I supposed to stay away from it completely ? I'm just really insecure about all this...

  • Flamesoul

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    Jul 18, 2012 10:35 PM GMT
    So cereals are processed food therefore cereals are bad ?

    Like... are corn flakes bad too ? o_O

    And Vector cereals ? I eat a small bowl of them with white, unsalted peanuts before I work out.
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    Jul 18, 2012 10:57 PM GMT
    If you are trying to lose weight then all dairy products should be avoided. Avoid all fast foods. Avoid salt and sugar.

    Try reading on Paleo diet. I think you will benefit from this eating lifestyle -- at least follow the basic rules of Paleo. Cook your own food.

    Cereal is wheat -- avoid wheat ! You will never get rid of your visceral fat if you keep eating wheat/grains.

    Eat all the eggs you want.

    Good luck.
  • Markguy

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    Jul 18, 2012 11:00 PM GMT
    There's so much information about diet and food available these days it's hard to determine what you "should" eat. I used to be vegetarian - lots of fruits and vegetables and lots of whole grains and beans. But I've become a recent convert to the Paleo and Primal diets.

    The Paleo folks advocate eating meat and vegetables, a little fruit, and nuts. The Primal folks add in a few more things like milk and cheese. The thought behind all this is that we didn't evolve eating anything that we didn't kill or pull up from the ground or pick from a tree during our wanderings. I will say that since adopting this diet I've lost 15 pounds without trying, I sleep better, and my muscle mass has increased. It sucks because you have a hard time eating in restaurants, but I'm enjoying it. If you're interested, try Googling "Paleo diet" and "Primal diet."
  • Flamesoul

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    Jul 19, 2012 12:13 AM GMT
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleolithic_diet

    This is what I've come up with. Now wtf is all that lol... I guess I'll have to read on this. But is this the right article ?
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    Jul 19, 2012 2:30 AM GMT
    Flamesoul saidI'm getting totally confused about what I should eat!
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    Jul 19, 2012 2:32 PM GMT
    Markguy saidThe Paleo folks advocate eating meat and vegetables, a little fruit, and nuts. The Primal folks add in a few more things like milk and cheese. The thought behind all this is that we didn't evolve eating anything that we didn't kill or pull up from the ground or pick from a tree during our wanderings. I will say that since adopting this diet I've lost 15 pounds without trying, I sleep better, and my muscle mass has increased. It sucks because you have a hard time eating in restaurants, but I'm enjoying it. If you're interested, try Googling "Paleo diet" and "Primal diet."


    Nooooo... not milk. Heavy cream and full fat cheese. Honestly there is no difference between Primal and the less obsessive versions of paleo. I find the Primal Blueprint book much better... easier to read and gives more overall lifestyle advice, but Robb Wolf´s Paleo Solution has a fair bit of the science.

    You get used to eating this way.. and it´s the best thing I´ve ever done in terms of body composition.
  • Flamesoul

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    Jul 24, 2012 2:19 PM GMT
    Ok one other question... n2briefs2 told me to avoid wheat if I ever want to get rid of my ''visceral fats'' whatever that is.

    So then... Whole wheat bread isn't good ? All my life people told me that ''brown bread'' was much better than ''white bread''

    I thought whole wheat bread was good since it has fibres...


  • mybud

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    Jul 24, 2012 2:40 PM GMT
    You need to eat lean meats...fresh veggies and fruit in moderation...Drink at least 10 to 12 ...8oz glasses a water a day...Stay away from processed foods like soda...cereal etc....Natural is better....Exercise at least 4 days a week...and don't be a wimp about it...Exercise like your life is depending on it....Stop labeling foods as bad or not healthy...It's not that a specific food is bad for ya....THE OVEREATING OF FOOD IS....Good Luck
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    Jul 24, 2012 3:04 PM GMT
    Flamesoul saidFor instance, I JUST learned that it might not have been true that eating more than two eggs per week was bad for cholesterol. I read that some guys here eat more than 4 eggs per day and they don't have any problems as long as they stay active & keep working out. Damn.

    I'm being treated for very high cholesterol, so I can speak a little on this much of your various questions. Not all peoples' bodies handle cholesterol the same, nor do they handle it the same way throughout their lives as they age. Some people can eat all the eggs they want, and high-cholesterol foods with no problem at all, while others have high cholesterol no matter what they eat.

    I'm in the latter category, on a strict low-cholesterol diet, and yet mine is still sky-high. And the meds do me little good.

    What you need to do is have blood work done, and have a doctor tell you what your good & bad cholesterol readings are. That balance will give you some direction regarding where your diet should be going. Avoiding cholesterol-rich foods may not be doing you any good in terms of keeping your cholesterol down, or on the other hand, cholesterol may not be hurting you much at present, either.

    Likewise with other dietary items. I was also told to avoid salt, simply because I have high blood pressure. So I dutifully did, though I never thought I ate much anyway. Following my next blood work I was told my sodium level was too low, and to have more salt! And yet my blood pressure was still high. So much for that relationship, at least in my case.

    So that I'm not much for blindly following "conventional wisdom" regarding diet. And during my lifetime I'm seen the experts' advice swing back and forth on things like eggs, milk, coffee and others. First it's bad for you, then it's good, then it's bad again, then returns to good - it just makes you wonder if anybody really knows.

    So I advise just letting your body tell you what's good for IT, not going solely by what's good for the average population. And that means regular doctor visits with lab work, monitoring a wide range of results that tell you more about the correctness of your diet than just cholesterol intake.
  • Flamesoul

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    Jul 24, 2012 4:40 PM GMT
    OK I see... but one other question cereal is processed food so it's bad ? Then are even Corn Flakes bad ??
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    Jul 24, 2012 4:50 PM GMT
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    Flamesoul saidI'm getting totally confused about what I should eat!
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  • Flamesoul

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    Jul 24, 2012 5:06 PM GMT
    No seriously, I need to know if Corn Flakes are bad or not...
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    Jul 24, 2012 5:06 PM GMT
    Flamesoul saidNo seriously, I need to know if Corn Flakes are bad or not...


    Corn Flakes are not the best cereal to eat. I will put it that way.
  • Flamesoul

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    Jul 24, 2012 5:09 PM GMT
    Well then... Oatmeal ? That's supposedly healthier...?

    Oh... And I love Kellogg's Vector cereal... lots of protein. Are those good ?


    Sorry for being COMPLETELY clueless and thanks for the help.
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    Jul 24, 2012 5:21 PM GMT
    Flamesoul saidNo seriously, I need to know if Corn Flakes are bad or not...


    Ingredients: Milled corn, sugar, malt flavor, contains 2% or less of salt. BHT added to packaging for freshness.

    Nutrition Facts
    Serving Size 1 Cup
    Calories 100
    Total Fat 0g
    Sodium 200mg
    Sugars 3g
    Dietary Fiber 1g



    My opinion, it's essentially sugar. The vector cereal also has 11g of sugar in it.

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  • Flamesoul

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    Jul 24, 2012 5:28 PM GMT
    Holy shit. I really don't know what to eat anymore.

    I thought for sure I was being healthy when I took a serving of vector as pre-work out food/protein...


    And I was sure I had healthy breakfeasts with my corn flakes with skim milk and peanut butter toast/no sugar added orange juice.
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    Jul 24, 2012 5:37 PM GMT
    Eat food that doesn't come from a factory is really the best advice I can think of.

    When I started trying to eat healthy I learned you pretty much need a PhD in nutrition not so much because it's complicating, but because food companies are explicitly out to trick you and mislead and packaging laws allow them too.

    The whole grain thing is a fiasco. I've written more than one angry letter to my MP demanding to know why if a company puts a dash of whole grains into a product they can label it whole wheat and throw in some caramel colouring to trick you.

    Or why its almost impossible to find frozen chicken breasts that aren't pumped full of salt water. Chicken aren't supposed to be mostly salt! icon_lol.gif

    Anyway, the list goes on forever. Stick to vegetables, fruit, meat etc and you can't go wrong. You'll have to invest a lot more time in making healthy decisions with foods that come with and ingredient's list because they will try to trick you.

    Edit: I just looked - you're in Canada too so you're subject to our joke packaging laws. Enjoy! icon_lol.gif
  • Flamesoul

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    Jul 24, 2012 8:10 PM GMT
    Damn... that's so complicated though... That's why I was asking for help. So now... Even CHICKEN isn't good ?

    Geez. I know to be sexy like all you guys, I have to work out a lot... and eat healthy food. But god, everything I thought was good... isn't.

    Wow. So then.. Veggies, Fruits, Nuts, Eggs, Meat... ?
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    Jul 24, 2012 8:25 PM GMT
    Really-- Wikipedia? I think you are making this harder than it is. There are already many great advises posted here. Just buy the book, Wheat Belly, and read it. Very educational and revealing.

    Good luck.
  • Flamesoul

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    Jul 24, 2012 8:50 PM GMT
    It's not that I want to make it harder than it is...

    It's just that I'm pretty insecure and I'm always doubting myself (way too much) in everything I do...

    So that's why I feel as if I should ask what's ok or not, y'know?