Why doesn't Hollywood do away with GCI technology!

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    Jul 19, 2012 9:43 PM GMT
    Everyone hates CGI effects! It's almost a completely universial opinion! I miss stop motion camera affects and puppetry! I miss real acting and movies where the dialogue hasn't been replaced with explosions! I loved Aliens and The Thing! I hated Revenge of the Sith and 2012! Why don't they return to it!?
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    Jul 19, 2012 10:00 PM GMT
    darren222 saidEveryone hates CGI effects! It's almost a completely universial opinion! I miss stop motion camera affects and puppetry! I miss real acting and movies where the dialogue hasn't been replaced with explosions! I loved Aliens and The Thing! I hated Revenge of the Sith and 2012! Why don't they return to it!?
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    Jul 19, 2012 10:32 PM GMT
    Money?! Ahhhhh the secret to America's Success...and Failure.
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    Jul 19, 2012 10:50 PM GMT
    Things like claymation and animatronics require artistic skill, vision and craftsmanship. How dare you ask that of contemporary film! You will eat your re-hashed, computer processed ideas and pay 15 bucks for them and like it!
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    Jul 19, 2012 11:00 PM GMT
    Ariodante saidThings like claymation and animatronics require artistic skill, vision and craftsmanship. How dare you ask that of contemporary film! You will eat your re-hashed, computer processed ideas and pay 15 bucks for them and like it!


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    Jul 19, 2012 11:04 PM GMT
    When CGI is done well, you can't even tell it's there. I bet you've watched movies where it's been used and you haven't even noticed it.
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    Jul 19, 2012 11:04 PM GMT
    CGI is cheaper than building huge animatronic dinosaurs. Plus, people keep going to see Lord of the Rings and Avatar and The Dark Knight and whatnot, so they'll keep making that and similar. *shrug* Supply and demand.
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    Jul 20, 2012 12:07 AM GMT
    I don't hate CGI. I don't know anybody who even dislikes CGI.
    The problem with Revenge of the Sith and 2012 is that they are fucking terrible movies, not that they have CGI effects. The CGI in 2012 was actually the only good part about the movie.
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    Jul 20, 2012 12:50 AM GMT
    Anduru saidI don't hate CGI. I don't know anybody who even dislikes CGI.
    The problem with Revenge of the Sith and 2012 is that they are fucking terrible movies, not that they have CGI effects. The CGI in 2012 was actually the only good part about the movie.
    Amen

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    Jul 20, 2012 1:00 AM GMT
    darren222 saidEveryone hates CGI effects! It's almost a completely universial opinion! I miss stop motion camera affects and puppetry! I miss real acting and movies where the dialogue hasn't been replaced with explosions! I loved Aliens and The Thing! I hated Revenge of the Sith and 2012! Why don't they return to it!?


    I am a artist major and it takes training, skill, talent and "a shit load of time" to produce cgi affects. Yes with technology it gets easier and easier each year, and old school puppetry/stop motion is missed... but I must defend CGI for its awesomeness. Without cgi the Avatar, The Avengers as well as a crap load of other films (The Matrix trilogy, Starswars1-3, Spiderman1-3, Fantastic 4,Terminator 2 & 4 to name a few)... would not have had the awesome eye candy we all so quickly judge.
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    Jul 20, 2012 1:04 AM GMT
    Ummmm, are you fucking serious with this?

    1. It's called versatility, you may like country music, but I like Lady Gaga.
    Both not comparable. But both great to what they add to the music industry.

    And also, I do not want to see an amazing puppet spiderman! Or puppet avatar! Or puppet Batman! Or crappy claymation art.

    They only work for the style, Nightmarebefore christmas, corpses bride kinda thing. Beautiful but not box office material.

    No, this whole thread is wrong, just no.

    Claymation Avengers?

    NOOOO.
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    Jul 20, 2012 1:11 AM GMT

    I am suprised anyone still watches Hollywood films anymore.

    Rehashed plots and rubbish dialogue all plastered over with endless car chases and explosions.

    Don't you find them tedious?





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    Jul 20, 2012 1:23 AM GMT
    Well, stop motion is just one aspect of in-camera effects work, though. There's also prostheses, costumes, set design, etc. Look at older movies and take note of the gorgeous back drops that were simply painted on glass panes. That's basically a dead art form now that you can just conjure up a landscape with a green screen. Part of the appeal of The Creature From The Black Lagoon is that the Gill-Man is so alive. Even his gills move. He's able to interact with the leading lady in a way that a flatter CGI effect can't. I wish more movies would go with a mixed-media feel instead of completely relying on newer technology.

    I'm sure that Smaug in the upcoming Hobbit adaptation will be spectacular, but Dragonslayer achieved a marvelous monster way back in the early '80s the old-fashioned way, and I'd argue she still knocks it out of the park:

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    Jul 20, 2012 1:27 AM GMT
    Anduru saidI don't hate CGI. I don't know anybody who even dislikes CGI.
    The problem with Revenge of the Sith and 2012 is that they are fucking terrible movies, not that they have CGI effects. The CGI in 2012 was actually the only good part about the movie.


    Lol, at least somebody said it.

    No problem with CGI here. I prefer visually spectacular movies, especially when it is well done. Sounds like your opinion is far from being the majority, despite all the exclamation statements.
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    Jul 20, 2012 1:27 AM GMT
    Hating on CGI is stupid. Do you enjoy watching Pixar movies? All of them are made entirely out of CGI and almost all of them have been critically acclaimed successes. Quite frankly I wouldn't want to watch a claymation Finding Nemo or a hand drawn Up. The CGI is part of what made these film amazing.

    Also, CGI isn't a cheap, cop-out so that Hollywood doesn't have to be creative. CGI is difficult and requires not only artists, but computer programmers, animators, people who understand light/physics, etc.
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    Jul 20, 2012 1:30 AM GMT
    Don't blame the CGI... that's just a by product of the problem. Hollywood doesn't like to put stories out by writers that aren't under their control, shared between 6 people, or one renown lucky one; and they don't make movies like you're finding on Vimeo and Youtube anymore, cause they want to put the messages they want out. CGI is the by product of HYPE, the old mainstay of overrated material that always seems to leave people longing for something more than just a pretty cast, keyword filed scripts, and pretty special defects that load you up with controlled emotional guidance, image influence, and leading your cognitive thinking to ends they prefer you to have. Sounds stupid and outlandish, but since when has a script spoken to you that wasn't either filled with a shit load of Graphics, or some take on a Chick or Dick flick?
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    Jul 20, 2012 5:59 AM GMT
    Cardinal724 saidHating on CGI is stupid. Do you enjoy watching Pixar movies? All of them are made entirely out of CGI and almost all of them have been critically acclaimed successes. Quite frankly I wouldn't want to watch a claymation Finding Nemo or a hand drawn Up. The CGI is part of what made these film amazing.

    Also, CGI isn't a cheap, cop-out so that Hollywood doesn't have to be creative. CGI is difficult and requires not only artists, but computer programmers, animators, people who understand light/physics, etc.


    Honestly, I hate 3-D animation. The Japanese are different than American animators; they didn't abandon 2-D animation because they wanted to maintain the painterly quality you get from it. Watch, say, Princess Mononoke or Nausicaa In The Valley of The Wind. Pixar characters look dead-eyed and weirdly inflated in comparison.
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    Jul 20, 2012 6:14 AM GMT
    Elusium saidHonestly, I hate 3-D animation.
    YES!
    The Japanese are different than American animators; they didn't abandon 2-D animation because they
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    wanted to maintain the painterly quality you get from it. Watch, say, Princess Mononoke or Nausicaa In The Valley of The Wind.
    NOOOOOOPE
    Pixar characters look dead-eyed and weirdly inflated in comparison.

    Anime isn't art. It's the cheapest form of animation and is copying the style of 1000 artists copying some guy who actually did it first.

    I won't watch Pixar shit, but only because the humour is meant for kids and doesn't make me laugh. But anime is shit in every way. 10 seconds without any motion to cut corners = shit.


    CGI is expensive, isn't it? If it was easy, we'd all be making it for our forum posts instead of using animated GIFs. And just because something is done on computer, doesn't mean there isn't creativity or artistic quality to it. Some would even say there is an art to writing code!

    I tend to not watch CGI-heavy movies either though, but not because it's bad to look at. It's because they think CGI can take the place of all of the other qualities a movie should have.
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    Jul 20, 2012 6:17 AM GMT
    I have no problem with CGI. Let's leave the guys in suits and animatronics at Disneyland plzkthx.
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    Jul 20, 2012 6:25 AM GMT
    Studio Ghibli's collection is art. In Japan, animation isn't just kids' stuff with fast food merchandising tie-ins. It handles dark, mature subject matter; there usually isn't a convenient villain; and best of all, the female leads are actual heroines who strive and sacrifice themselves for people they love. They aren't pining simps and gold-digging whores like the Disney bimbos are.

    Ghibli puts Disney to shame.


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    Jul 20, 2012 6:33 AM GMT
    A trailer shows the most interesting parts of a movie, it's not going to show the scenes where we see someone's face completely still, sliding from left to the right side of the screen, where only the mouth is flickering between 2 cells (open/closed).

    Faces completely detailless. Often requiring accessories and different hair colours to tell each character of the same gender apart. Nothing looks proportionate to proper size (because that's hard).

    Storylines are also crap. And since when is the women's liberation movement in Japan ahead of here? Every mention about Japan, every game, every show shows young girls sexualized with upskirt shots, bathing scenes, and a crippling anxiety whenever a perverted older man looks at her.

    CGI may be shallow, but at least it won't fuck up society.
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    Jul 20, 2012 6:41 AM GMT
    There are whole subcultures of anime. The Nudie Cutie subgenre is just one of many. It's like saying Looney Tunes is emblematic of all American animation. You could take cells from the Ghibli movies and frame them on your wall -- they're just that epic.

    And the Japanese animators have always known that the focal emotive point in the eyes, which are rendered gorgeously.



    I will absolutely put The Last Unicorn up against talking cars and goofy green ogres any day.



    Toei also fucking nailed The Little Mermaid, leaving in all the pain, folly, and self-sacrifice that Disney wimped out on:

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    Jul 20, 2012 7:12 AM GMT
    Cgi has its place but hollywood tends to be lazy and overuse it. They should just bring back muppet monsters! Where the Wild Things Are, while a so so movie, was the perfect combination of muppet/cgi effects. See trailer if you don't believe.