Penn St SANCTIONED

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    Jul 23, 2012 1:16 PM GMT
    1. Post Season ban for 4 years
    2. Only 15 Scholarships for the next 4 years instead of 25.
    3. All wins vacated from 1998-2011.
    4. Penn St has to pay 60 million dollars.

    Joe Paterno is no longer the winningest football coach in D-1 history. That title now belongs to Bobby Bowden.

    http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8191027/penn-state-hit-60-million-fine-4-year-bowl-ban-wins-dating-1998

    Wow!!!

    What do ya'll think?
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    Jul 23, 2012 1:36 PM GMT
    The punishment looks pretty appropriate for the school. They brought this upon themselves.
  • ohioguy12

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    Jul 23, 2012 1:38 PM GMT
    I don't get the $60 million fine. Those bozos at PSU will fund-raise that overnight.

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    Jul 23, 2012 1:51 PM GMT
    ohioguy12 saidI don't get the $60 million fine. Those bozos at PSU will fund-raise that overnight.

    The money must go into programs to help the victims of child abuse, and to prevent its occurrence. It's telling that any Penn State abuse programs are specifically barred from being recipients.
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    Jul 23, 2012 1:56 PM GMT
    It's bull shit, and has nothing to do with the case. It penalizes the wrong people.
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    Jul 23, 2012 2:05 PM GMT
    msuNtx said...Joe Paterno is no longer the winningest football coach in D-1 history. That title now belongs to Bobby Bowden.

    ...What do ya'll think?

    I'm pleased. Though I'm sure the Paterno family will issue another defiant statement, claiming Joe Pa's actual record remains intact, even if no longer officially recognized.

    And this was interesting in the article, since I thought it was believed Penn State would accept whatever sanctions it received. Are they now going to fight them?

    "A trustee said Penn State has hired Gene Marsh, a lawyer for Lightfoot, Franklin & White in Birmingham, Ala., and a former member and chair of the NCAA Infractions Committee. Last week, ESPN contacted Marsh, who also previously represented former Ohio State coach Jim Tressel, and he refused to confirm or deny he had been retained by Penn State."
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    Jul 23, 2012 2:10 PM GMT
    I wanna play ball with a college jock and shower off in the locker rooms now... icon_sad.gif
  • Borski1992

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    Jul 23, 2012 2:12 PM GMT
    I don't know they made sure to save the students who are able to go to PSU based on their Football scholarships. They are allowed to transfer without question from the NCAA (Which is normally hard if it is to play for another team, DIII all the way up to DI.) and for those who wanted to graduate from PDU, they are allowed to keep their scholarship as long as they keep their grades up, regardless of whether they decide to play there again.
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    Jul 23, 2012 2:13 PM GMT
    JP_Crankworthy saidPretty severe. But a bowl ban is not the same as shutting down the entire program for 5 years, which is what I'd rather have seen.


    Or summary executions of the entire athletic staff and faculty of that uni, and the display of their corpses at the entrances to the uni?

    I mean, why stop with a mere bowl ban and a fine?

    I think the punishment is far in excess to the responsibility borne by Paterno and his name.

    Removing the statue and his name from the buildings I totally get, as well as the fine - but removing the local recipients of university-sponsored abuse programs from the list punishes the wrong people.
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    Jul 23, 2012 2:34 PM GMT
    I think it sends a strong message to colleges and universities that they need to get control of their football programs. At the end of the day, the NCAA, in my opinion, was correct to sanction Penn State since they let the football program become more important than Sandusky's victims.

    I'm just not sure that many of these colleges and universities can get control of their football programs anymore. They bring in so much cash that funds so much of the rest of the school.

    As for the $60 million, that was one year of revenue from the football program. That's why they picked that number. And they said no Penn State programs could benefit because they didn't want it to basically just be a transfer of funds from one part of the university to another. They wanted to money to go outside the school and benefit other people.
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    Jul 23, 2012 2:36 PM GMT
    Paterno is quoted from hell as saying "Saddam and I both agree, it seems fair and all things considered, you kind of have to agree, I kind of fucked up. Of course, this morning silly old Osama bin Ladin said the great satan got exactly what it deserved, but I told him Georgia Bulldogs ain't no great satan, but that dumb towelhead don't unnerstan. Anyone wanna know, hell ain't half bad, except we only have basic cable and Jay Leno is the only comedian allowed to perform and when I axed how come Leno performs in hell cause he is still alive and all, Walt Disney told me that Leno is living up in America, but his soul has been dead for decades."
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    Jul 23, 2012 2:43 PM GMT
    "Football will never again be placed ahead of educating, nurturing and protecting young people," Emmert said.

    Amen!

    Emmert had earlier said he had "never seen anything as egregious" as the horrific crimes of Sandusky and the cover-up by Paterno and others at the university, including former Penn State President Graham Spanier and athletic director Tim Curley.

    Amen x 2!
  • Latenight30

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    Jul 23, 2012 2:57 PM GMT
    I don't think it's fair. Most of the time I feel the other way. The students didn't molest the kids. That sic did.
    I don't know what NCAA thinks they are proving.
    I went to a university that at the time didn't have a football program. It brings so many more students to the school with the hope of playing and the money it generates supports so many programs.
    I think this is a blow to that school that is too much too late.
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    Jul 23, 2012 3:19 PM GMT
    People who say it is too much of a punishment, I don't understand you.

    CHILD RAPE happened. Not molestation- RAPE. And people covered that up. We don't know the extent of what was covered up but at the end of the day, people involved in that program thought that covering up/saving their football program was more important than stopping the monster that is Jerry Sandusky, and chose to look away.

    So sad.

    While the people at Penn State now are receiving the consequences for someone else's actions, all I can say is, that is life. Sometimes you are punished for other people's actions in life, whether in work, school, or in Penn State Football. Those kids have choices to go elsewhere if they want.
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    Jul 23, 2012 3:25 PM GMT
    It appears the Big Ten agrees with the NCAA. While their motives may appear to be self-serving, don't forget that the same things could now happen to them, should a similar crime be committed by their own staff.

    In a press release, the Big Ten announced late Monday morning that they have slapped Penn State University with penalties in addition to the ones handed down by the NCAA earlier today. As expected, the Big Ten confirmed that the Nittany Lions will be ineligible to play in the conference’s title game for the next four years...

    ...the Big Ten announced that school will “be ineligible to receive its share of Big Ten Conference bowl revenues over those same four years.”

    According to the conference, that represents a total of roughly $13 million, which the league will donate “to established charitable organizations in Big Ten communities dedicated to the protection of children.”

    In its public censure of the university, the Big Ten lambasted the leadership at the university, writing that “our colleagues… have egregiously failed on many levels—morally, ethically and potentially criminally.” The censure went on to state that Penn State has “failed their great university, their faculty and staff, their students and alumni, their community and state—and they have failed their fellow member institutions in the Big Ten Conference. For these failures, committed at the highest level of the institution, we hereby condemn this conduct and officially censure Penn State.”
  • Lanter

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    Jul 23, 2012 3:28 PM GMT
    I'm not much of a football person, but I think its great. Not only does it punish the school, but it also sends a message to other organizations covering up scandals. And as an added bonus, without the games, I won't have to sit in traffic on the Nittany Expressway for 4 years.
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    Jul 23, 2012 3:28 PM GMT
    Art_Deco saidIn a press release, the Big Ten announced late Monday morning that they have slapped Penn State University with penalties in addition to the ones handed down by the NCAA earlier today. As expected, the Big Ten confirmed that the Nittany Lions will be ineligible to play in the conference’s title game for the next four years...

    ...the Big Ten announced that school will “be ineligible to receive its share of Big Ten Conference bowl revenues over those same four years.”

    According to the conference, that represents a total of roughly $13 million, which the league will donate “to established charitable organizations in Big Ten communities dedicated to the protection of children.”

    In its public censure of the university, the Big Ten lambasted the leadership at the university, writing that “our colleagues… have egregiously failed on many levels—morally, ethically and potentially criminally.” The censure went on to state that Penn State has “failed their great university, their faculty and staff, their students and alumni, their community and state—and they have failed their fellow member institutions in the Big Ten Conference. For these failures, committed at the highest level of the institution, we hereby condemn this conduct and officially censure Penn State.”


    Deserved.
  • Jasonblue

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    Jul 23, 2012 3:37 PM GMT
    Some of the earlier defenses of him by students and a lot of other people was particularly appalling. Maybe it was deserved.
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    Jul 23, 2012 3:46 PM GMT
    I definitely agree with everything that's being done. Yeah there's a lot of people who are getting the raw end of the deal, but life isn't always fair and the NCAA is doing whatever it can to accomodate those people anyway. For something this serious, and on such a large scale, there's always going to be collateral damage when getting your point across. The NCAA is setting an example and it's what needs to be done.
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    Jul 23, 2012 3:52 PM GMT
    Drop a small scale nuke on it and be done.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Jul 23, 2012 4:04 PM GMT
    Serves as an example to other programs that might "sweep it under the mat" in the future....

    It will take years for it to recover no doubt.... as will the kids this creep
    molested.

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    Jul 23, 2012 4:05 PM GMT
    Honestly, I'm a bit torn on the forfeiture of wins from 1998-2011. Not sure I agree with that. If anything, the monetary penalty should be much higher, to be more commensurate with the school's total profits from the football program in those years. And PS was easily averaging in the double-digit millions in each of those years.
  • Sportsfan1

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    Jul 23, 2012 4:06 PM GMT
    Once again I am so impressed by the responses to this topic. I am a UCLA football season ticket holder. I am a big fan of the PAC-12 and the Big Ten. This Penn State scandal has been a black eye on college football. The NCAA penalties are completely appropriate. As well as the response by the Big Ten. The removal of the statue should be followed by the removal of the Paterno name on the library. Innocent young boys were RAPED by a monster. This was covered up by the higher ups. We must not lose sight of this. The monies no longer going to Penn St. should go to organizations dedicated to the victims of these horrible crimes. I am not a big fan of Bobbie Bowden but the record he now has will have an asterisk.
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    Jul 23, 2012 4:15 PM GMT
    Sportsfan1 saidThe removal of the statue should be followed by the removal of the Paterno name on the library.

    That may be more difficult for legal reasons. The Paterno family donated a significant amount of money to the library for the naming honor, which may be contractually protected. Even if there's a removal clause for "bringing disrepute" there'd be the matter of Joe Paterno having died before any charges were formally brought against him. The statue, however, was solely a Penn State initiative, and its removal was at their discretion.
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    Jul 23, 2012 4:17 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan saidServes as an example to other programs that might "sweep it under the mat" in the future....

    It will take years for it to recover no doubt.... as will the kids this creep
    RAPED



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