Black Gay/Bisexual Men at Highest Risk of HIV

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    Jul 23, 2012 3:41 PM GMT
    http://bossip.com/616184/for-discussion-gay-and-bisexual-black-men-in-the-united-states-have-the-highest-risk-for-hiv/

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    Jul 23, 2012 3:53 PM GMT
    running11 saidhttp://bossip.com/616184/for-discussion-gay-and-bisexual-black-men-in-the-united-states-have-the-highest-risk-for-hiv/

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    WELP there goes my chances. Fear spreads like wildfire, even when just fact.
    Here we go Abstinence Club 2012.
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    Jul 23, 2012 3:54 PM GMT
    Thank god I've been monogamous, I guess.
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    Jul 23, 2012 4:18 PM GMT
    Do either of you have input as to why this is true?
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    Jul 23, 2012 4:27 PM GMT
    running11 said Do either of you have input as to why this is true?


    Being Canadian I have no clue. I have no information about the amount of gay males with HIV in America nor their distribution among the races.

    "488 more times likely in NY than other gay males to contract the disease"?

    I don't even know how they determined this considering they state

    "And even though the report suggests black men are more likely to take steps to reduced their risk of infection than other MSM, the are still twice as likely to get the virus."


    I would have to read the report to find out because they missed the WHY this is happening I think. Even though they stated access to healthcare or lack of support (both medically and community) it still seems dis-proportioned for a 488 times more likelihood of contraction.

    I also dislike the band-aid fix of drug therapy they are pushing for this too but that's a different story entirely.
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    Jul 23, 2012 4:40 PM GMT
    Very unfortunate statistics (if they are an accurate reflection of reality).

    I'd imagine that it has something to do with factors such as social, cultural and economical poverty; lack of education and sexual health knowledge and risky intravenous drug use, on the surface level.

    Still, I wonder if a more potent underlying reason is due to predominant stigma and fear of violence and hatred that seems overly prevalent in a lot of 'black' popular rap/bashment music/working-class/religious background black cultures in general, may breed an inordinately disproportional amount of ingrained self-contempt (subconscious or otherwise).

    Logic would dictate that this bleak lack of cultural support, and in fact, more to the point, cultural disgust, fear and hate in a lot of cases, would effect the self-esteem in a disproportionate percentage of black gay individuals in such a deeply negative way, that some who will inevitably be heavily affected by it, will be more likely to be deeply closeted and resigned to staying so, yet, engage in self-sabotage and take part in HIV risky activities, due to likely very pronounced cognitive dissonance that will naturally arise from this type of psychologically conflictive social phenomena.

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    Jul 23, 2012 4:55 PM GMT
    The answer I hear at the HIV/AIDS agencies with which I work is that many cases are due to a failure to practice safe sex, primarily by barebacking, and a reluctance to take HIV tests. This in turn is blamed on inadequate sex education in schools and minority communities, and cultural resistance to condom use. There are also cases due to needle sharing, but I've not heard that the incidence is significantly greater for Black males than for other groups, unsafe sex believed to be the dominant cause.

    Therefore, a focus of these agencies is outreach programs, to educate and to reduce risky cultural behavior, conduct public information campaigns, and to provide free HIV testing and condoms. Some also offer substance abuse programs.

    I myself lived with an HIV+ partner with whom I had sex for several years as a bottom. He always wore a condom, and also during oral sex. I remain negative 12 years after first meeting him. This suggests to me that since safe sex can protect against HIV transmission, the spread of HIV is evidence of unsafe sex practices in some cases, for the reasons proposed above.

    It also means that HIV spread can be better controlled with condom use and other safe sex practices. The spread of HIV through intravenous needle use, and pre-natally, are additional transmission methods that require different approaches to control.
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    Jul 23, 2012 4:57 PM GMT
    Read it..valid points..!!

    How hard is it validate statistically..issues within ..a minority..within a minority..within a minority..and dont forget DL guys..within a minority. ??? (think)
    I would think very, very difficult..
    My conclusions are... ths article is slightly "future fetched"...And...the numbers are way..way..way..low..
    Think about it..
    There are so many afro american DL or closeted guys that evaded this statistic..which makes it even more scary..!!
    I see the urgency to re-structure the gay black community...But my equal oppertunity mindset and up-bringing thinks it's one more reason the gay community needs to band together even more !!..icon_neutral.gif
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    Jul 23, 2012 5:00 PM GMT
    I really believe statistics are made up bull shit.
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    Jul 23, 2012 5:04 PM GMT
    running11 said Do either of you have input as to why this is true?


    African-Americans are usually more likely to be harder hit by a lot of diseases. It's the same with hypertension, heart disease, etc. No coincidence that these diseases can be directly related to stress. We all know being part of a minority group isn't easy. Imagine being part of a double minority.

    Gay men overall are disproportionately affected by HIV/AIDS. True, being men that have butt sex is probably the main factor, but people should also look at how gay men (of all races) have been treated. Particularly with the part about 60 percent of Af/Am men over 40 being +, that's referring to a generation of men who were used to being relegated to hooking up in parks or bookstores and being rejected by both the general public and family. No surprise that sex and intimacy can become addicting there.

    When people are stressed out, they make bad decisions. The more stress you're under, the worse the decision-making will probably be.
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    Jul 23, 2012 5:27 PM GMT
    There needs to be more education and safe sex education in those communities and more of an emphasis on protection, even for dl guys
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    Jul 23, 2012 6:11 PM GMT
    I don't believe it.
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    Jul 23, 2012 7:57 PM GMT
    Except the fear factor, the numbers gives no real information.

    Accounting for both condom use and testing frequency, a significant difference would mean a genetic vulnerability of the black US population.

    Accounting for socio-economic factors and education levels, the black factor would likely vanish.

    It's so very important to remember that a correlation (two things being proportional) doesn't mean causality (one thing cause the other).

    example : body hair level are correlated with body weight. But it doesn't mean that fat people are more hairy, it just mean baby have less body hair than adult.... ;-)


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    Jul 23, 2012 7:59 PM GMT
    I'm assuming there's a correlation between low-income neighborhoods and people of a lower socio-economic standing not having as much education about HIV/AIDS and safer sex practices.
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    Jul 23, 2012 8:02 PM GMT
    7Famark saidI'm assuming there's a correlation between low-income neighborhoods and people of a lower socio-economic standing not having as much education about HIV/AIDS and safer sex practices.


    That, and reduced access to testing and treatment.
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    Jul 23, 2012 8:16 PM GMT
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    this is always happening and indeed no action....

    Why is it in american media that if your talking to aids/bad people they are exaggerating it too black people? in my experienced so far they are fun to be with and yeah easy to get. btw Hows batman shoot-out goin?

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    Jul 23, 2012 8:17 PM GMT
    ^dafuq?
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    Jul 23, 2012 8:26 PM GMT
    This is beyond old news.
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    Jul 23, 2012 8:36 PM GMT
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    Jul 23, 2012 8:41 PM GMT
    7Famark saidI'm assuming there's a correlation between low-income neighborhoods and people of a lower socio-economic standing not having as much education about HIV/AIDS and safer sex practices.


    ^This this and this.
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    Jul 23, 2012 8:41 PM GMT
    If you removed the CHURCH from these peoples lives.. it would fall like a rock!

    Humans will always be humans.. but when they are controlled by the church, well, you know what happens!
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    Jul 23, 2012 8:43 PM GMT
    This isn't substantiated by anything...but I do also wonder if there is some sort of stigma around homosexuality in lower-socio-economic neighborhoods that leads to a hesitation or lack of care when it comes to using condoms?

    Again...not substantiated by anything...just curious.
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    Jul 23, 2012 8:45 PM GMT

    When accounting for the confounding variables related to healthcare, poverty, education, etc... Black gay men seem disproportionally affected by HIV/AIDs because of these reasons:

    1) There are way less African American men in the United States than Caucasian men, thus the population of gay black men is small.

    2) Self-segregating sexual networks. Black men are more likely to sleep with another black man. If we go back to the first statement, we can see that they have smaller sexual networks and smaller sexual networks lead to higher infection rates.

    In a nutshell, because there are less Black gay men in the U.S., the infection rates will always seem higher...
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    Jul 23, 2012 9:00 PM GMT
    MuchoMasQueMusculo said^ It's been a concern for nearly twelve years and it's not getting better.

    Throughout my college years I've written term papers on HIV infection rates. Not only in Africa but also in the United States. This was several years ago.

    Here's a chart showing infection rates by race. This is pretty much consistent with what I learned from my research several years ago. Hispanics are the next highest population to be affected by HIV.

    images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSH4k-n4NfXsv20wwTNuu0


    Interesting graph. Thanks.
    It won't be getting better, if I were to make an assumption. Promiscuity was looked down upon far more when aids didn't even exist! It's pretty crazy.
    Even if it did get better for the black community, let's say the Hispanic rates increased beyond the black rates- It's not like blacks should feel any better about the situation and Hispanics should feel worse. Aids is clearly strongest around areas of high poverty rates and it's best transmitted anally. I wouldn't doubt it was intentionallly induced in such a way by man, starting in Africa. The ongoing unrest and genocide in Africa is a plot created by the UN.

    Population control is the phrase. Im not here for thay sex with a monkey - cause and effect argument.
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    Jul 23, 2012 9:01 PM GMT
    cdub341 said
    When accounting for the confounding variables related to healthcare, poverty, education, etc... Black gay men seem disproportionally affected by HIV/AIDs because of these reasons:

    1) There are way less African American men in the United States than Caucasian men, thus the population of gay black men is small.

    2) Self-segregating sexual networks. Black men are more likely to sleep with another black man. If we go back to the first statement, we can see that they have smaller sexual networks and smaller sexual networks lead to higher infection rates.

    In a nutshell, because there are less Black gay men in the U.S., the infection rates will always seem higher...


    Yes, but then there's aids in Africa.