Boy Scouts Fire Gay Staffer, 10 Quit In Protest

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    Jul 25, 2012 6:48 PM GMT
    Tuesday, Boy Scouts of America (BSA) announced it was reaffirming its policy banning all gay people from all aspects and all levels of Scouting. On Friday, 22-year old Tim Griffin, an Eagle Scout who is gay, and was the most-tenured staffer at Camp Winton, a Boy Scouts of America summer camp in California, was fired. Some BSA leaders stated he was fired for dress code violations, while others add his behavior was part of the decision. But Griffin, who worked at Camp Winton for eight years, rising to program director, says he’s certain he was fired for being gay, and noted, ”They told me in a very harsh way that I don’t embody the true Scouting spirit.”
    http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/boy-scouts-fire-gay-staffer-10-quit-in-protest/discrimination/2012/07/25/44505
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    Jul 25, 2012 7:06 PM GMT
    Do you have an email address we can protest at?
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    Jul 25, 2012 7:41 PM GMT
    skykey saidAnd? He worked for an organisation that didn't want to work with gays. So it's obvious what was going to happen.


    That doesn't make it right.

    People say the most ridiculous stuff.
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    Jul 25, 2012 7:43 PM GMT
    Used to be in the scouts myself... As much as I think it is wrong and it should change, they are a private club, and have the right to make their own rules. Most of the club is of religous background, if that explians anything.icon_confused.gif
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    Jul 25, 2012 8:15 PM GMT
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    skykey saidAnd? He worked for an organisation that didn't want to work with gays. So it's obvious what was going to happen.


    That doesn't make it right.

    People say the most ridiculous stuff.



    He knew the deal about gays in the Boy Scouts so he shouldn't be surprised when they fired them. His situation is analogous to a women having a baby out of wedlock teaching at a Southern Baptist school. When you work for certain organisation, especially Conservative ones, there are usually moral conduct that your expected to follow.

    So being gay is not moral conduct? They have every right to run their organization as they see fit, just like we have every right to say it is wrong and let them know we believe it is wrong. That is how change happens. Change doesn't happen from staying quiet or hiding.
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    Jul 25, 2012 8:34 PM GMT
    skykey said
    showme said
    skykey saidAnd? He worked for an organisation that didn't want to work with gays. So it's obvious what was going to happen.


    That doesn't make it right.

    People say the most ridiculous stuff.



    He knew the deal about gays in the Boy Scouts so he shouldn't be surprised when they fired them. His situation is analogous to a women having a baby out of wedlock teaching at a Southern Baptist school. When you work for certain organisation, especially Conservative ones, there are usually moral conduct that your expected to follow.

    skykey said
    showme said
    skykey saidAnd? He worked for an organisation that didn't want to work with gays. So it's obvious what was going to happen.


    That doesn't make it right.

    People say the most ridiculous stuff.



    He knew the deal about gays in the Boy Scouts so he shouldn't be surprised when they fired them. His situation is analogous to a women having a baby out of wedlock teaching at a Southern Baptist school. When you work for certain organisation, especially Conservative ones, there are usually moral conduct that your expected to follow.


    Exactly, his situation is analogous to a woman having a child out of wedlock and then being fired for it, they are both equally unjust.

    The Boy Scouts of America is a member of the World Organization of Scouts, which has several countries that allow gay leaders and members, all of them based on the same foundation of values.

    It's too bad that the BSA believes that it is morally better to ostracize a child just discovering who he is than having to deal with.... whatever they think the problem is... that other children might catch the gay?
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    Jul 25, 2012 8:34 PM GMT
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    braddomo saidDo you have an email address we can protest at?


    Protesting won't work. The Boys Scouts of American is under the Mormon church so it would useless to protest them. Instead of protesting, why don't you focusing on creating your own group or something.


    The mormons do not run the bsa. They are a large religion which uses scouting as its young men's program, but many other churches sponsor troops as well. The number of mormon troops is large, considering each congregation has its own troop. And their leaders tend to be more involved because it is the non-sunday youth program, not just an extra after worship service like other churches. Yes, the beliefs of scouting groups are taken into account when the bsa executive council makes decisions, and mormons are one group.

    Know your enemy before you attack them.
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    Jul 25, 2012 8:41 PM GMT
    Why are american scouts such cunts? Sounds like you need the government to tell you what to do or you just make crap decisions....

    http://www.scoutbase.org.uk/library/hqdocs/facts/pdfs/fs185081.pdf
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    Jul 25, 2012 8:45 PM GMT
    skykey said
    showme said
    skykey saidAnd? He worked for an organisation that didn't want to work with gays. So it's obvious what was going to happen.


    That doesn't make it right.

    People say the most ridiculous stuff.


    He knew the deal about gays in the Boy Scouts so he shouldn't be surprised when they fired them. His situation is analogous to a women having a baby out of wedlock teaching at a Southern Baptist school. When you work for certain organisation, especially Conservative ones, there are usually moral conduct that your expected to follow.

    I am sure he was expecting to be fired - no surprise.
    But moral conduct? If you think Skykey that it is immoral to be gay, WTF are you doing on this website? Turn in your gay card right now, and put a red letter on your forehead to warn all self respecting faggots to keep clear of you.
    The Boy Scouts pretend that they are all-American, mom, and apple pie, but discriminate against gay youth and atheists. They are not - the Boy Scouts has morphed into a religious organization. They used to discriminate against blacks. The Scouts position on gays is why in a number of locales, city governments are no allowed to let them have the use of publicly owned meeting halls, or get any city services.

    What can be done to change them? Protests, like the former gay scouts returning their eagle scout badges.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kelsey-timmerman/an-eagle-scout-no-more-wh_b_1690558.html
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    Jul 25, 2012 8:48 PM GMT
    Isn't it just a bit hypocritical of the scouts to discriminate against gay youth, since its founder, Baden Powell, the guy they put on a pedestal and worship, was undoubtedly gay himself.
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    Jul 25, 2012 8:52 PM GMT
    Suetonius saidIsn't it just a bit hypocritical of the scouts to discriminate against gay youth, since its founder, Baden Powell, the guy they put on a pedestal and worship, was undoubtedly gay himself.


    They shit ain´t got nuttin to do wit Scouts... it´s they homophobic religious shit they pimpin

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    Jul 25, 2012 8:52 PM GMT
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    braddomo saidDo you have an email address we can protest at?


    Protesting won't work. The Boys Scouts of American is under the Mormon church so it would useless to protest them. Instead of protesting, why don't you focusing on creating your own group or something.


    This. Boy Scouts has even kicked Girl Scouts to the curb in favor of "American Heritage Girls". Create another scouting brand and partner up with Girl Scouts. That will teach them.
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    Jul 25, 2012 9:02 PM GMT
    DIrty bastards!

    They will live to regret that decision.. in the not too distant future!

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    Jul 25, 2012 9:11 PM GMT
    skykey said... When you work for certain organisation, especially Conservative ones, there are usually moral conduct that your expected to follow.

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    Iceblink saidSo being gay is not moral conduct?.

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    Suetonius said...But moral conduct? If you think Skykey that it is immoral to be gay, WTF are you doing on this website?

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    Being gay is not a morality but an orientation. Per comments that followed skykey, in all fairness, he did not declare gay as immoral, rather he only said that a conservative group might expect a particular moral conduct. He did not say it was a superior moral conduct so why not just assume he meant it to be a different moral conduct.
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    Jul 25, 2012 9:21 PM GMT
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    skykey said... When you work for certain organisation, especially Conservative ones, there are usually moral conduct that your expected to follow.

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    Iceblink saidSo being gay is not moral conduct?.

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    Suetonius said...But moral conduct? If you think Skykey that it is immoral to be gay, WTF are you doing on this website?

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    Being gay is not a morality but an orientation. Per comments that followed skykey, in all fairness, he did not declare gay as immoral, rather he only said that a conservative group might expect a particular moral conduct. He did not say it was a superior moral conduct so why not just assume he meant it to be a different moral conduct.

    I've seen skykey's other posts on RJ.
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    Jul 25, 2012 9:23 PM GMT
    K. Thanx. I hadn't. But I've read you and rarely see you off target.

    skykey, care to clarify?
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    Jul 25, 2012 9:29 PM GMT
    We want equal employment standards. No discrimination based on Sexual Orientation. Title 7, Title 7!!!!
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    Jul 25, 2012 9:42 PM GMT
    What's great about this report (if you can call any of this great) is the support that Tim got from his fellow scouts. Not only does it fly in the face of what the organization is 'preaching' but it shows the discontent within the organization for the position and direction that the organizational leaders are trying to move. At this rate, eventually the entire organization will be a conservative non-tolerant religious fanatical group. Don't they call them terrorist?
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    Jul 25, 2012 9:49 PM GMT
    Meh, the scouts will soon be history.
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    Jul 25, 2012 9:57 PM GMT
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    Jul 26, 2012 1:45 AM GMT
    skykey said...His situation is analogous to a women having a baby out of wedlock teaching at a Southern Baptist school. When you work for certain organisation, especially Conservative ones, there are usually moral conduct that your [sic] expected to follow.


    Uh, in my experience that is not exactly analogous. Growing up, most all the society Southern Baptist weddings had knocked up brides, so having a wedding really just had shotgun blasts, not church bells. BFmorals followed! The Eagle scout did nothing immoral; however, by such "moral conduct" analysis, the preggers brides did.

    The Boy Scouts situation is much more analogous to the ignorance of the Popes excommunicating Galileo and Copericus for their correct science. The Boy Scouts are simply fucking wrong, and protests should go into them to let them know how many people think they are idiots. Gay Boy Scouts are born, not made by scouting.
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    Jul 26, 2012 1:47 AM GMT
    lol, so skykey, please explain the girl scouts of the USA.
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    Jul 26, 2012 1:54 AM GMT
    skykey said
    Iceblink saidTuesday, Boy Scouts of America (BSA) announced it was reaffirming its policy banning all gay people from all aspects and all levels of Scouting. On Friday, 22-year old Tim Griffin, an Eagle Scout who is gay, and was the most-tenured staffer at Camp Winton, a Boy Scouts of America summer camp in California, was fired. Some BSA leaders stated he was fired for dress code violations, while others add his behavior was part of the decision. But Griffin, who worked at Camp Winton for eight years, rising to program director, says he’s certain he was fired for being gay, and noted, ”They told me in a very harsh way that I don’t embody the true Scouting spirit.”
    http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/boy-scouts-fire-gay-staffer-10-quit-in-protest/discrimination/2012/07/25/44505


    And? He worked for an organisation that didn't want to work with gays. So it's obvious what was going to happen.


    Says the closet case with no photo. With gay people like you, who needs enemies?
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    Jul 26, 2012 1:57 AM GMT
    BSA should not be allowed to use any government facilities.
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    Jul 26, 2012 2:06 AM GMT
    braddomo saidDo you have an email address we can protest at?


    http://aplacetogive.scouting.org/contact-us/

    This is the webpage where they solicit donations. There is a "Comment" box where one can write a protest.

    edit: Works fine. Just sent in mine.