REMOVAL! First the statue, now the Hall of Fame?

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    Jul 28, 2012 2:18 PM GMT
    Built into the by-laws of most sports Halls of Fame is something called a "character clause."

    It's a loosely-defined metric meant to gauge whether a potential Hall of Famers' off-the-field conduct should prevent an athlete or coach from being honored.
    The rules use words like integrity, sportsmanship and community to determine whether a sportsman or woman can be inducted into the prestigious club.
    But once that tribute is bestowed and a Hall of Famer made, can it be rescinded and undone?

    From CNN: Paterno's marred legacy raises age-old sports 'heroes' question

    Should Paterno be removed from the Hall of Fame? Or, "enough is enough" regarding penalties to his legacy?

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  • Timbales

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    Jul 28, 2012 4:21 PM GMT
    My opinion? He was a football coach. It's a fucking game. I seriously don't understand why people care so much about a game that they idolize someone to this degree. It's not like he did anything to change the world.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Jul 28, 2012 5:18 PM GMT
    No he shouldn't be removed. He is a legendary coach and that can never be taken away from him. He was not convicted of a crime, and even the evidence they say they have only MAYBE implicates Joe Paterno to the degree that would warrant such action. Joe Paterno's considerable accomplishments over his entire lifetime should not be completely wiped out because of the perverted actions of someone else.
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    Jul 28, 2012 5:24 PM GMT
    I'm with Timbales on this one.
  • HottJoe

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    Jul 28, 2012 6:00 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidNo he shouldn't be removed. He is a legendary coach and that can never be taken away from him. He was not convicted of a crime, and even the evidence they say they have only MAYBE implicates Joe Paterno to the degree that would warrant such action. Joe Paterno's considerable accomplishments over his entire lifetime should not be completely wiped out because of the perverted actions of someone else.


    The problem has nothing to do with how well he coached. It's because he knew that children were being raped and he covered it up. Inaction is action in and of itself. He put winning games above the law, and more importantly valued college football over the lives of child victims.

    If he'd come forward right away, like he should have, he would be seen as a hero, but actually he behaved cowardly. If college institutions are to have any integrity, then his character off the field matters too.

    Bottom line, his "legacy" was obvioulsy so important him to him that he failed to see what really matters in life. He dug his own grave, and now people spit on it. *shrugs* to that.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Jul 28, 2012 6:29 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidIt's because he knew that children were being raped and he covered it up. Inaction is action in and of itself. He put winning games above the law, and more importantly valued college football over the lives of child victims.



    The problem here, Kitty Kat, like you have done so many times before, you are playing judge, jury, and executioner without really knowing for sure what the facts are. The only real fact I need to know right now is that Jerry Sandusky, NOT Joe Paterno, is responsible for these reprehensible acts. Until they are able to uncover some clear cut beyond a shadow of a doubt proof that Coach Paterno was clearly guilty of participating in a cover up, I'm giving the man the benefit of the doubt that -- based on the example he set throughout his lifetime -- I feel he deserves.
  • HottJoe

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    Jul 28, 2012 7:22 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    HottJoe saidIt's because he knew that children were being raped and he covered it up. Inaction is action in and of itself. He put winning games above the law, and more importantly valued college football over the lives of child victims.



    The problem here, Kitty Kat, like you have done so many times before, you are playing judge, jury, and executioner without really knowing for sure what the facts are. The only real fact I need to know right now is that Jerry Sandusky, NOT Joe Paterno, is responsible for these reprehensible acts. Until they are able to uncover some clear cut beyond a shadow of a doubt proof that Coach Paterno was clearly guilty of participating in a cover up, I'm giving the man the benefit of the doubt that -- based on the example he set throughout his lifetime -- I feel he deserves.


    I thought it was widely known that he participated in a cover up....

    Anyway, I like being called Kitty Kat. It makes me want to purr. (:
  • TroyAthlete

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    Jul 28, 2012 8:07 PM GMT
    Should he be removed?

    I dunno, should Ty Cobb, Kirby Puckett, Babe Ruth, OJ Simpson, Kenesaw Landis, Adolph Rupp, and Michael Jordan be removed from their Halls of Fame due to questionable character? Should Brett Favre, Kobe Bryant, and Ben Rapesligberger be denied entry when the time comes?

    If you started to remove all the addicts, racists, rapists, assholes, and criminals from sports halls of fame, the ranks would be trimmed considerably.

    The Halls of Fame are based on achievement in sports, not achievement in charcater. The character clauses are a joke, IMO. And yes, Pete Rose, Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, and Mark McGwire do belong, character flaws and all.
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    Jul 28, 2012 9:17 PM GMT
    Perhaps it is more important to send out a very clear message that those who abuse a position of trust over young people, or in Joe Paterno's case, turn a blind eye to such an abuse of trust, can expect their good name to go down the pan.
  • HottJoe

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    Jul 28, 2012 9:20 PM GMT
    TroyAthlete saidShould he be removed?

    I dunno, should Ty Cobb, Kirby Puckett, Babe Ruth, OJ Simpson, Kenesaw Landis, Adolph Rupp, and Michael Jordan be removed from their Halls of Fame due to questionable character? Should Brett Favre, Kobe Bryant, and Ben Rapesligberger be denied entry when the time comes?

    If you started to remove all the addicts, racists, rapists, assholes, and criminals from sports halls of fame, the ranks would be trimmed considerably.

    The Halls of Fame are based on achievement in sports, not achievement in charcater. The character clauses are a joke, IMO. And yes, Pete Rose, Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, and Mark McGwire do belong, character flaws and all.


    You are convincing and probably people's attitudes will drift toward that, but in the moment everyone's focussed on the child molestation and cover up.

    An example needs to be set to prevent cover ups like this from happening in institutions. Obviously it's not just churches that don't report it. I think we have to assume it's going on elsewhere.

    Down the line people who care about sports will likely reopen the case on Paterno.
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    Jul 28, 2012 9:40 PM GMT
    TroyAthlete saidShould he be removed?

    I dunno, should Ty Cobb, Kirby Puckett, Babe Ruth, OJ Simpson, Kenesaw Landis, Adolph Rupp, and Michael Jordan be removed from their Halls of Fame due to questionable character? Should Brett Favre, Kobe Bryant, and Ben Rapesligberger be denied entry when the time comes?

    If you started to remove all the addicts, racists, rapists, assholes, and criminals from sports halls of fame, the ranks would be trimmed considerably.

    The Halls of Fame are based on achievement in sports, not achievement in charcater. The character clauses are a joke, IMO. And yes, Pete Rose, Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, and Mark McGwire do belong, character flaws and all.


    ^this