Performance Improvement Plan at work


  • Jul 28, 2012 5:51 PM GMT
    So I was completely taken back this week when my boss put me on a 60 day performance improvement plan.

    Does anyone in HR know if this is a formality before I get fired?


    Thanks
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    Jul 28, 2012 5:58 PM GMT
    Yes, if your performance doesnt improve. It makes for good legal documentation, too.

    Pray for a new manager or start looking for another job.
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    Jul 28, 2012 6:43 PM GMT
    Yes, this is sometimes a formality before you get fired. A poor performance appraisal will haunt you for a long time, most companies put it in your permanent file. Time to start looking for a new job.

  • Jul 28, 2012 7:38 PM GMT
    thanks, im interpreting this as a heads up im being fired unfortinately. the job has no training, no support from the managers on the team, etc. really just sink or swim.
    doesnt justify my poor performance but its more difficult to succeed in that type of environment.

    luckily i have a 3rd interview for a position i applied to several months ago. so i have been looking for the last 6 months now.

    i feel defeated because im really conscientious about work. but its just a job, and at the end of the day it was a learning experience and time to move on...
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    Jul 28, 2012 7:57 PM GMT
    It's good that you get out before being fired. Lots of job applications ask if you have ever been fired.

    Also, since you already started looking before this PIP, you can truthfully say that you didnt leave because of a threat of being fired.
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    Jul 28, 2012 8:47 PM GMT
    realjocktom220 saidSo I was completely taken back this week when my boss put me on a 60 day performance improvement plan.

    Does anyone in HR know if this is a formality before I get fired?


    Thanks


    what do you mean you were taken aback? did you seriously had no idea you were not performing to the level as expected? well then, you must have one shitty ass manager or you are lying.

    a PIP does not have to be the death knell. you have a document that clearly indicates your deficiencies and what you need to do to improve. improve those items and you will be fine.
  • DanOmatic

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    Jul 28, 2012 9:13 PM GMT
    It depends on whether you work in a corporate environment, for a university, or in some type of government office. One poor performance review isn't a precursor to being fired in the latter two instances, but in a corporate setting, it could well be.

    A good manager would have been communicating with you about any issues well before issuing a poor performance review, so if it came completely out of the blue, it could be a sign of very faulty management. In that case, probably in your best interests to leave anyway.

    But even if that's not the case, these things, while unpleasant, can serve as helpful guideposts for self-improvement or maybe the motivation to find something better that you enjoy doing more.

    A heck of a lot of very successful people were fired before in their lives.
  • Jasonblue

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    Jul 28, 2012 9:23 PM GMT
    Blackguy4you said
    realjocktom220 saidSo I was completely taken back this week when my boss put me on a 60 day performance improvement plan.

    Does anyone in HR know if this is a formality before I get fired?


    Thanks


    what do you mean you were taken aback? did you seriously had no idea you were not performing to the level as expected? well then, you must have one shitty ass manager or you are lying.

    a PIP does not have to be the death knell. you have a document that clearly indicates your deficiencies and what you need to do to improve. improve those items and you will be fine.


    Real world doesn't always work like that.When my company hands those out, it's because we're looking to can somebody. All companies are different and have different mentalities working for them.
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    Jul 28, 2012 9:36 PM GMT
    I typed out a response to this but then dealisd it wasn't the smartest thing to post publicly about the office policy on PIPs...

    I wouldn't worry too much... They are a way for bad team leaders to distinguish themselves to even worse operations managers
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    Jul 28, 2012 9:52 PM GMT
    Jasonblue said
    Blackguy4you said
    realjocktom220 saidSo I was completely taken back this week when my boss put me on a 60 day performance improvement plan.

    Does anyone in HR know if this is a formality before I get fired?


    Thanks


    what do you mean you were taken aback? did you seriously had no idea you were not performing to the level as expected? well then, you must have one shitty ass manager or you are lying.

    a PIP does not have to be the death knell. you have a document that clearly indicates your deficiencies and what you need to do to improve. improve those items and you will be fine.


    Real world doesn't always work like that.When my company hands those out, it's because we're looking to can somebody. All companies are different and have different mentalities working for them.


    why are you stating the obvious? of course all companies are not the same. why do you assume his company is not like mine where a PIP does not indicate the individual will be fired.

    if the poster is in an at will state - a PIP isn't even needed as a prelude for dismissal any how.

    I have placed two of my staff on PIPs over the years. one turned around his performance - as is the intent of a PIP, to such an extent as a matter of fact, that i eventually promoted him to a supervisory level. one didn't improve his performance and I fired him. both had the opportunity to fix what was wrong.
  • Litmop

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    Jul 28, 2012 9:58 PM GMT
    Yeah, you're on your way out if you don't have a strong union.
  • Jasonblue

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    Jul 28, 2012 10:00 PM GMT
    Blackguy4you said
    Jasonblue said
    Blackguy4you said
    realjocktom220 saidSo I was completely taken back this week when my boss put me on a 60 day performance improvement plan.

    Does anyone in HR know if this is a formality before I get fired?


    Thanks


    what do you mean you were taken aback? did you seriously had no idea you were not performing to the level as expected? well then, you must have one shitty ass manager or you are lying.

    a PIP does not have to be the death knell. you have a document that clearly indicates your deficiencies and what you need to do to improve. improve those items and you will be fine.


    Real world doesn't always work like that.When my company hands those out, it's because we're looking to can somebody. All companies are different and have different mentalities working for them.


    why are you stating the obvious? of course all companies are not the same. why do you assume his company is not like mine where a PIP does not indicate the individual will be fired.

    if the poster is in an at will state - a PIP isn't even needed as a prelude for dismissal any how.


    Because if he assumes the best, he won't be prepared for what could come next, if he isn't working for a fine upstanding company. I'm not the one making the assumption here.icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jul 28, 2012 10:01 PM GMT
    Not necessarily. A performance improvement plan can make you work harder, and make you more conscientious of your work. It clearly dictates what are the expected goals.

    It really puts you in a sink or swim mentality.
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    Jul 28, 2012 10:03 PM GMT
    The only time I ever heard of someone being put on a P.I.P was when their performance was lacking, insubordination, tardiness. Generally people were not fired but tended to get a reality check, quite quickly I might add.
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    Jul 28, 2012 10:05 PM GMT
    Jasonblue said
    Blackguy4you said
    Jasonblue said
    Blackguy4you said
    realjocktom220 saidSo I was completely taken back this week when my boss put me on a 60 day performance improvement plan.

    Does anyone in HR know if this is a formality before I get fired?


    Thanks


    what do you mean you were taken aback? did you seriously had no idea you were not performing to the level as expected? well then, you must have one shitty ass manager or you are lying.

    a PIP does not have to be the death knell. you have a document that clearly indicates your deficiencies and what you need to do to improve. improve those items and you will be fine.


    Real world doesn't always work like that.When my company hands those out, it's because we're looking to can somebody. All companies are different and have different mentalities working for them.


    why are you stating the obvious? of course all companies are not the same. why do you assume his company is not like mine where a PIP does not indicate the individual will be fired.

    if the poster is in an at will state - a PIP isn't even needed as a prelude for dismissal any how.


    Because if he assumes the best, he won't be prepared for what could come next, if he isn't working for a fine upstanding company. I'm not the one making the assumption here.icon_rolleyes.gif


    assume the best? what the hell are you talking about? have you ever seen a pip? have you ever been placed on one? have you ever placed an individual on one?

    a pip clearly lays out what is wrong with the employee's performance
    a pip clearly lays out what must be done to improve said performance
    a pip clearly lays out how the employee will be measured.
    a pip clearly lays out how often manager will meet with employee to review his or her performance

    at least a proper pip would and a proper company would see that its pip does.

    don't blame me if you work for some stupid half ass company that has no idea how to manage and improve its staff.
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    Jul 28, 2012 10:06 PM GMT
    Balljunkie saidNot necessarily. A performance improvement plan can make you work harder, and make you more conscientious of your work. It clearly dictates what are the expected goals.

    It really puts you in a sink or swim mentality.


    exaclty!
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    Jul 28, 2012 10:08 PM GMT
    DanOmatic said
    But even if that's not the case, these things, while unpleasant, can serve as helpful guideposts for self-improvement or maybe the motivation to find something better that you enjoy doing more.

    A heck of a lot of very successful people were fired before in their lives.


    Those people are far and few between.

    A negative review of performance like other said will most often stay on file and will come to haunt him when it comes time for a raise, or a bonus, or any upward movement in the company. While having a job is better than no job being a marked sheep with no hope of advancement is as good as dead.
  • Jasonblue

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    Jul 28, 2012 10:09 PM GMT
    Blackguy4you said
    Jasonblue said
    Blackguy4you said
    Jasonblue said
    Blackguy4you said
    realjocktom220 saidSo I was completely taken back this week when my boss put me on a 60 day performance improvement plan.

    Does anyone in HR know if this is a formality before I get fired?


    Thanks


    what do you mean you were taken aback? did you seriously had no idea you were not performing to the level as expected? well then, you must have one shitty ass manager or you are lying.

    a PIP does not have to be the death knell. you have a document that clearly indicates your deficiencies and what you need to do to improve. improve those items and you will be fine.


    Real world doesn't always work like that.When my company hands those out, it's because we're looking to can somebody. All companies are different and have different mentalities working for them.


    why are you stating the obvious? of course all companies are not the same. why do you assume his company is not like mine where a PIP does not indicate the individual will be fired.

    if the poster is in an at will state - a PIP isn't even needed as a prelude for dismissal any how.


    Because if he assumes the best, he won't be prepared for what could come next, if he isn't working for a fine upstanding company. I'm not the one making the assumption here.icon_rolleyes.gif


    assume the best? what the hell are you talking about? have you ever seen a pip? have you ever been placed on one? have you ever placed an individual on one?

    a pip clearly lays out what is wrong with the employee's performance
    a pip clearly lays out what must be done to improve said performance
    a pip clearly lays out how the employee will be measured.
    a pip clearly lays out how often manager will meet with employee to review his or her performance

    at least a proper pip would and a proper company would see that its pip does.

    don't blame me if you work for some stupid half ass company that has no idea how to manage and improve its staff.


    Woe, simmer down there. Our company uses them as documentation for unemployment reasons, so they don't get burned. And I'm not blaming you for anything, my company isn't the only one that operates like this is all I'm saying. Why assume he works for some upstanding company?
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    Jul 28, 2012 10:11 PM GMT
    Jasonblue said
    Blackguy4you said
    Jasonblue said
    Blackguy4you said
    Jasonblue said
    Blackguy4you said
    realjocktom220 saidSo I was completely taken back this week when my boss put me on a 60 day performance improvement plan.

    Does anyone in HR know if this is a formality before I get fired?


    Thanks


    what do you mean you were taken aback? did you seriously had no idea you were not performing to the level as expected? well then, you must have one shitty ass manager or you are lying.

    a PIP does not have to be the death knell. you have a document that clearly indicates your deficiencies and what you need to do to improve. improve those items and you will be fine.


    Real world doesn't always work like that.When my company hands those out, it's because we're looking to can somebody. All companies are different and have different mentalities working for them.


    why are you stating the obvious? of course all companies are not the same. why do you assume his company is not like mine where a PIP does not indicate the individual will be fired.

    if the poster is in an at will state - a PIP isn't even needed as a prelude for dismissal any how.


    Because if he assumes the best, he won't be prepared for what could come next, if he isn't working for a fine upstanding company. I'm not the one making the assumption here.icon_rolleyes.gif


    assume the best? what the hell are you talking about? have you ever seen a pip? have you ever been placed on one? have you ever placed an individual on one?

    a pip clearly lays out what is wrong with the employee's performance
    a pip clearly lays out what must be done to improve said performance
    a pip clearly lays out how the employee will be measured.
    a pip clearly lays out how often manager will meet with employee to review his or her performance

    at least a proper pip would and a proper company would see that its pip does.

    don't blame me if you work for some stupid half ass company that has no idea how to manage and improve its staff.


    Woe, simmer down there. Our company uses them as documentation for unemployment reasons, so they don't get burned. And I'm not blaming you for anything, my company isn't the only one that operates like this is all I'm saying. Why assume he works for some upstanding company?


    is your company located in an at will state?
  • Jasonblue

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    Jul 28, 2012 10:13 PM GMT
    Blackguy4you said
    Jasonblue said
    Blackguy4you said
    Jasonblue said
    Blackguy4you said
    Jasonblue said
    Blackguy4you said
    realjocktom220 saidSo I was completely taken back this week when my boss put me on a 60 day performance improvement plan.

    Does anyone in HR know if this is a formality before I get fired?


    Thanks


    what do you mean you were taken aback? did you seriously had no idea you were not performing to the level as expected? well then, you must have one shitty ass manager or you are lying.

    a PIP does not have to be the death knell. you have a document that clearly indicates your deficiencies and what you need to do to improve. improve those items and you will be fine.


    Real world doesn't always work like that.When my company hands those out, it's because we're looking to can somebody. All companies are different and have different mentalities working for them.


    why are you stating the obvious? of course all companies are not the same. why do you assume his company is not like mine where a PIP does not indicate the individual will be fired.

    if the poster is in an at will state - a PIP isn't even needed as a prelude for dismissal any how.


    Because if he assumes the best, he won't be prepared for what could come next, if he isn't working for a fine upstanding company. I'm not the one making the assumption here.icon_rolleyes.gif


    assume the best? what the hell are you talking about? have you ever seen a pip? have you ever been placed on one? have you ever placed an individual on one?

    a pip clearly lays out what is wrong with the employee's performance
    a pip clearly lays out what must be done to improve said performance
    a pip clearly lays out how the employee will be measured.
    a pip clearly lays out how often manager will meet with employee to review his or her performance

    at least a proper pip would and a proper company would see that its pip does.

    don't blame me if you work for some stupid half ass company that has no idea how to manage and improve its staff.


    Woe, simmer down there. Our company uses them as documentation for unemployment reasons, so they don't get burned. And I'm not blaming you for anything, my company isn't the only one that operates like this is all I'm saying. Why assume he works for some upstanding company?


    is your company located in an at will state?


    No, we're on the verge of it though.
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    Jul 28, 2012 10:56 PM GMT
    You've got your 60 day message. Time to find another job.
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    Jul 29, 2012 1:13 AM GMT
    Yep, start looking. Unless you do something miraculous, you're out.
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    Jul 29, 2012 4:51 AM GMT
    Okay, just in case, within the last 30 days find a second job, but don't do it immediately, you'll look like you're weak. Kick up your game at work, do your job as written, then outshine your friends at work, please your immediate supervisors and put your SELF aside... this is a job, and you can shine if you put effort into it. To give up now, and only look for another job would tell your current boss and next boss, that you're capable of doing more under pressure, and/or can't meet company standards, then surpass them.

    You're welcome
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    Jul 29, 2012 5:10 AM GMT
    I'm going to give the benefit of the doubt and assume the OP is a good guy and is at least an average worker. Now with that in mind, is your boss a jerk? If yes, then find another job as soon as possible. During your PIP, he will probably set you up for failure. And the PIP is just an official way to document your poor performance and give you the boot. As someone else mentioned, having a termination in your job history may hurt you in the future. So it's better to leave on your will. Just be sure to give 2-weeks notice at least. And have a job ready before giving your notice. In most states, voluntarily leaving a job will disqualify you from unemployment benefits. Good luck to ya, icon_cool.gif
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    Jul 29, 2012 10:57 AM GMT
    This can't be right.. I know people who have had 4-5 PIPs and are still in the company....