Romney and Obama: Contrasts in the mid-east and world stage

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    Jul 29, 2012 3:58 PM GMT

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    Presumptive Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney was warmly received Sunday morning by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who emphasized the need for a credible military threat against Iran.

    "You said the greatest danger facing the world is of the ayatollah regime possessing a nuclear capability," Netanyahu told Romney. "Mitt, I couldn't agree with you more."

    "All the sanctions and diplomacy so far have not set back the Iranian program by one iota. We need a strong and credible military threat coupled with sanctions" in order to prevent Iran from getting a nuclear weapon,” said Netanyahu.

    At a short press conference before their meeting, Netanyahu mentioned their close personal friendship, stating that it was a pleasure to receive the former Massachusetts governor in Israel.

    The Republican hopeful briefly mentioned Iran."Israel's perspective with regards to Iran and its effort to become a nuclear capable nation is one I look to with great seriousness," said Romney.
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    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/netanyahu-romney-stress-danger-of-a-nuclear-iran-in-jerusalem-meeting-1.454391

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    Obama as president snubbed Israel when visiting the mid-east on his Apology Tour 2009. No photos so a cartoon will have to suffice.

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    Rove discussed the Apology Tour in 2009
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124044156269345357.html

    President Barack Obama has finished the second leg of his international confession tour. In less than 100 days, he has apologized on three continents for what he views as the sins of America and his predecessors.
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    There is something ungracious in Mr. Obama criticizing his predecessors, including most recently John F. Kennedy.
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    Mr. Obama makes it seem as though there is moral equivalence between America and its adversaries and assumes that if he confesses America's sins, other nations will confess theirs and change. But he won no confessions (let alone change) from the leaders of Venezuela, Nicaragua or Russia. He apologized for America and our adversaries rejoiced. Fidel Castro isn't easing up on Cuban repression, but he is preparing to take advantage of Mr. Obama's policy shifts.

    When a president desires personal popularity, he can lose focus on vital American interests. It's early, but with little to show for the confessions, David Axelrod of Team Obama was compelled to say this week that the president planted, cultivated and will harvest "very, very valuable" returns later. Like what?
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    Was Rove right? The complete failure of the Obama foreign policy, the leadership vacuum, the instabilities, and the killings in Iran and Syria are a sad testimonial.

    Washington Post: Obama’s foreign initiatives have been failures - The biggest failures, his own ideas
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    Jul 29, 2012 4:11 PM GMT
    Romney has no experience on the world stage, every move so far has been an embarrassment. Of course Israel is kissing his ass, this is expected. Look at the billionaire for Las Vegas spending up to 100 million to help this mormon idiot get elected, don't see any connection?
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    Jul 29, 2012 4:15 PM GMT
    smartmoney saidRomney has no experience on the world stage, every move so far has been an embarrassment. Of course Israel is kissing his ass, this is expected. Look at the billionaire for Las Vegas spending up to 100 million to help this mormon idiot get elected, don't see any connection?

    The main connection I see are some total fucking idiots on RJ who feel the need to bring up Romney's religion in a pejorative way. If the "smart" part of your screen name has any truth, perhaps you might go to the thread in the link at the bottom of the OP and give a serious critique, defending or at least commenting on the Obama foreign policy. Somehow I don't think you have the horsepower to do that. Usually the guys who just make snide comments can't do much else.
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    Jul 29, 2012 4:25 PM GMT
    You eat ass with that stupid mouth? Yikes. Look, Romney is an unqualified magic underpant wearing idiot and everyday he proves it just a little bit more. Sure, he and his billionaire friends are going to spend more money than anyone in the history of our country to try and get the male version of Sarah Palin elected, but the bottom line is, this guy is a boob, republicans KNOW it, democrats love it and the world is laughing about it. You keep trying to spin it, but the bottom line is, I know very few republicans who are proud to be supporting this buffoon.
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    Jul 29, 2012 8:07 PM GMT
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    Romney: Deeply moving to be in Jerusalem, Israel's capital [added, not in source: Carney, Obama Press Secretary refused to say what the capital of Israel is]

    US Republican presidential candidate stresses shared values between US, Israel in J'lem foreign policy speech; says diplomatic distance between Israel and US emboldens the Jewish state's adversaries.

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    US Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney delivered a foreign policy speech in Jerusalem on Sunday, saying it was a deeply moving experience to be in Jerusalem, "the capital of Israel."

    Romney stated that not only did Israel and the US hold shared interests, the two countries hold "shared values," despite the 5000 miles between them.

    Addressing Iran, Romney said that the US has a "solemn duty" not to let Iran's leaders act on their malevolent intentions toward Israel. He stated that history teaches that when despotic regimes secure weapons, peace gives way to violence.

    Romney added that while he hopes diplomatic measures and economic sanctions will stop Iran's nuclear drive, no option should be excluded to stop a nuclear Iran.

    Romney called Israel's security a "vital national interest" of the US. "Israel must defend itself and it is right for us to stand with you," said Romney.

    In what appeared to be veiled criticism of US President Barack Obama, Romney said that standing by Israel meant more than just providing military aid. He said that the diplomatic distance between the US and Israel serves to embolden Israel's enemies.

    Following the Olympic Committee's decision not to hold a minute of silence to remember the 11 Israeli victims of the 1972 Munich Olympics terror attack, Romney made a point to honor the victims in his speech, which was met by applause from the audience.

    The Republican candidate praised Israel, the "start-up nation," for its "cutting-edge technology," thriving economy, democratic values and freedom of press.

    "I love this country, I love America, I love the friendship we have," Romney stated as he concluded his speech.

    Romney was in Israel for a two-day diplomatic visit during which he met with Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu, opposition leader Shaul Mofaz, President Shimon Peres and Palestinian Authority Prime Minister Salam Fayyad.

    Following his speech, Netanyahu thanked Romney for his warm words. On his part, Romney wrote the prime minister a letter thanking him for his warm hospitality and lasting friendship. "Your service for peace is an inspiration," he wrote.

    Before taking off, he is scheduled to host a fund-raiser at the King David Hotel in Jerusalem on Monday morning.
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    Jul 30, 2012 5:43 AM GMT
    Romney saidthe diplomatic distance between the US and Israel serves to embolden Israel's enemies.

    I think he's right about this, and I think it is important to remember that Israel's enemies are also America's enemies.
    Lest we forget, the US is the "Great Satan" while Israel is but the "Little Satan".

    I'm still going to vote for Obama, because of the gay issue and Supreme Court nominees.

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    Jul 30, 2012 7:24 AM GMT
    Romney said nothing new. If you cut through the rhetoric, he simply reiterated President Obama's position on Israel and Iran.
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    Jul 30, 2012 9:01 AM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 saidRomney said nothing new. If you cut through the rhetoric, he simply reiterated President Obama's position on Israel and Iran.

    Obama says all the right words about Iran not getting nuke weapons but with all the carving out of sanction exceptions, etc. people don't believe he is all that serious.
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    Jul 30, 2012 11:21 AM GMT
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    Ex_Mil8 saidRomney said nothing new. If you cut through the rhetoric, he simply reiterated President Obama's position on Israel and Iran.

    Obama says all the right words about Iran not getting nuke weapons but with all the carving out of sanction exceptions, etc. people don't believe he is all that serious.


    Despite creating the toughest regime of sanctions yet imposed on Iran. Yes, not very serious.

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    Jul 30, 2012 12:33 PM GMT
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    Ex_Mil8 saidRomney said nothing new. If you cut through the rhetoric, he simply reiterated President Obama's position on Israel and Iran.

    Obama says all the right words about Iran not getting nuke weapons but with all the carving out of sanction exceptions, etc. people don't believe he is all that serious.


    Despite creating the toughest regime of sanctions yet imposed on Iran. Yes, not very serious.

    Yes, with loopholes and many months giving the clear impression that other options were not really being considered despite the lip service.
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    Jul 30, 2012 12:40 PM GMT
    Ummmmmm .......

    Tell me the difference between what Romney is proposing and what Bush Wrought onto the world during his regime?

    He even went as far as to say that what BUSH proposed would have been better

    So tell me .... if Bush F**ked up and he did
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    Tell me where He and Romney part paths?
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    Jul 30, 2012 12:52 PM GMT
    It's between Romney and Obama.
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    Jul 30, 2012 3:11 PM GMT
    socalfitness saidIt's between Romney and Obama.


    So you're saying that Romney's stated foreign policies .... so far are DIFFERENT from Bush's ?

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    Jul 30, 2012 5:17 PM GMT
    What Romney Accomplished in Israel
    12:30 PM, Jul 30, 2012 • By NOAH POLLAK

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    Last Monday, two days before Mitt Romney departed for London, Israel, and Poland, the Obama campaign held a conference call with reporters in order to frame their opponent’s trip. “The bar really is whether or not Mitt Romney is finally ready to shed a little light on what appears to be the secrecy of his foreign policy plans,” said Robert Gibbs, an Obama surrogate. The campaign argued: Romney’s trip was going to be long on photo ops and short on substance because he is unable to articulate areas of genuine contrast with Obama’s foreign policy.

    Yet, in just 36 hours in Israel, Romney revealed two areas of sharp difference with Obama: Jerusalem and Iran. And those issues really serve as stand-ins for much bigger ones.

    Romney went out of his way more than once to refer to Jerusalem as Israel's capital, in contrast to President Obama. Although in 2008 Obama called Jerusalem the “eternal and undivided capital” of Israel, he has backtracked—so thoroughly that State Department and White House spokesmen have been recently caught in painfully awkward exchanges with reporters trying to extract whether Obama recognizes Jerusalem as Israel’s capital.

    The controversy has real substance, and Romney’s position has implications far beyond the status of Jerusalem: It is a pledge to stop subordinating American policy and conforming America's treatment of her allies to the desires of the “international community.” No more "engagement" for engagement's sake, which under Obama, like Jimmy Carter before him, is often bad news for Israel.

    On Iran, Obama has been waging a campaign of deterrence against Israeli military action by warning that has administration would withhold support in its aftermath. In December, Defense Secretary Panetta told a Brookings forum that after an Israeli strike, the U.S. “would obviously be blamed and we could possibly be the target of retaliation,” that there would be “severe economic consequences,” that a strike could spark a conflagration that would “not only involve many lives” but “consume the Middle East in a confrontation and a conflict that we would regret.” Or as Michele Flourney, a former Pentagon official and currently a top Obama campaign foreign policy surrogate, said recently, an Israeli strike would “undermine the legitimacy of the action in the eyes of the broader international community and would most importantly undermine the ability of the international community to come together.”

    During his trip, Romney said the opposite. His foreign policy advisor, Dan Senor, told reporters: “If Israel has to take action on its own in order to stop Iran from developing that capability the governor would respect that decision.” In his Jerusalem speech, Romney said, "In the final analysis, of course, no option should be excluded. We recognize Israel’s right to defend itself, and that it is right for America to stand with you."

    The implication seems clear: While Obama has been undermining the credibility of sanctions and diplomacy by attacking the prospect of military action, a Romney administration would put the Iranian regime on notice that it is not only vulnerable to attack, but that America would stand with its ally should it decide to strike.

    So on both Jerusalem and Tehran: stark contrasts, different ideas, different policies. The Obama campaign challenged Romney before he departed that he would have to show what he'd do differently. And he has.

    One final thought: Has any Republican candidate for president ever made such a strongly and thoroughly pro-Israel declaration as Romney did yesterday in Jerusalem? And will this, in the end, be the legacy of Obama's four-year campaign of pressure and criticism against Israel—a pushback that has only served to clarify, deepen, and solidify the pro-Israel sentiments of Republicans?
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    Jul 30, 2012 5:20 PM GMT
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    Walesa Endorses Romney
    12:09 PM, Jul 30, 2012 • By FRED BARNES

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    Lech Walesa today endorsed Mitt Romney for president, saying he hoped the Republican presidential candidate is "successful."

    From the pool report:

    Flash: Lech Walesa, the Nobel Prize winner and former Polish president, has effectively endorsed Romney

    Your pool was brought in at the end of the meeting and heard Walesa say the below thru a translator:

    Walesa: "I wish you to be successful because this success is needed to the United States, of course, but to Europe and the rest of the world, too. Gov Romney, get your success -- be successful!"