Stay Away from Soy

  • mz29xy

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    Jul 30, 2012 3:29 AM GMT
    - The soy based esterols are too bio similar to female estrogen. Young African American females go into puberty over 30% earlier than any other culture because doctors tell their mothers to only do soy formula because a lot of people of African decent are lactose intolerant. Truth is, if someone is going to be lactose intolerant it will not happen till after the age of 4/5. Mothers who drink a lot of soy milk can also have baby boys with deformed penises, requiring surgery to fix.

    - The soy protein (casein) prevents one from properly digesting any other protein, whether meat or vegetable based proteins while consuming soy.

    - Soy can blow out your thyroids. Oprah blew out her thyroids because a health guru told her to add a lot of soy to her diet.

    - Traditional asian cultures didn't eat soy until they figured out how to ferment it (tofu, tempeh, etc.). They also used fermented soy only as a condiment and only in 1 to 2 meals per week. This should be the guideline for everyone. Fermented, as a condiment only which would be tofu in miso soup for example.

    - It's a really bad idea to drink soy milk or food products with soy added in them.

    - A really good veggie burger without soy is the Sunshine Brand Veggie Burger.



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    Jul 30, 2012 5:00 AM GMT
    mz29xy said- The soy based esterols are too bio similar to female estrogen. Young African American females go into puberty over 30% earlier than any other culture because doctors tell their mothers to only do soy formula because a lot of people of African decent are lactose intolerant. Truth is, if someone is going to be lactose intolerant it will not happen till after the age of 4/5. Mothers who drink a lot of soy milk can also have baby boys with deformed penises, requiring surgery to fix.

    - The soy protein (casein) prevents one from properly digesting any other protein, whether meat or vegetable based proteins while consuming soy.

    - Soy can blow out your thyroids. Oprah blew out her thyroids because a health guru told her to add a lot of soy to her diet.

    - Traditional asian cultures didn't eat soy until they figured out how to ferment it (tofu, tempeh, etc.). They also used fermented soy only as a condiment and only in 1 to 2 meals per week. This should be the guideline for everyone. Fermented, as a condiment only which would be tofu in miso soup for example.

    - It's a really bad idea to drink soy milk or food products with soy added in them.

    - A really good veggie burger without soy is the Sunshine Brand Veggie Burger.


    http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/hyperthyroidism/AN00454
    Generally, it's best to wait four hours after taking thyroid medication to consume any products that contain soy. The same guidelines apply to other products that may impair the body's ability to absorb thyroid medication, including high-fiber foods, iron and calcium supplements, and antacids that contain aluminum or magnesium.

    http://online.liebertpub.com/doi/abs/10.1089/thy.2006.16.249
    Thus, collectively the findings provide little evidence that in euthyroid, iodine-replete individuals, soy foods, or isoflavones adversely affect thyroid function. In contrast, some evidence suggests that soy foods, by inhibiting absorption, may increase the dose of thyroid hormone required by hypothyroid patients. However, hypothyroid adults need not avoid soy foods. In addition, there remains a theoretical concern based on in vitro and animal data that in individuals with compromised thyroid function and/or whose iodine intake is marginal soy foods may increase risk of developing clinical hypothyroidism. Therefore, it is important for soy food consumers to make sure their intake of iodine is adequate.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tofu
    Tofu originated in ancient China.[5] Chinese legend ascribes its invention to prince Liu An (Chinese: 劉安 Liú Ān, 179–122 BC).
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    Jul 30, 2012 5:04 AM GMT
    mz29xy said- The soy based esterols are too bio similar to female estrogen.
    Does this mean my soy milk will cause me to stop being a str8-acting musc masc top jock bro dude? icon_eek.gif
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    Jul 30, 2012 5:06 AM GMT
    He's saying it means yer gonna be groping your man bosoms
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    Jul 30, 2012 5:06 AM GMT
    paulflexes said
    mz29xy said- The soy based esterols are too bio similar to female estrogen.
    Does this mean my soy milk will cause me to stop being a str8-acting musc masc top jock bro dude? icon_eek.gif


    Dude, you're gonna grow a bitch-tit.
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    Jul 30, 2012 5:06 AM GMT
    Oh okay
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    Jul 30, 2012 5:07 AM GMT
    Citations?

    Everything I've been able to find says that these statements aren't true. Soy has never been proven to cause these problems. If someone can point to a scientific article that says otherwise, I'd love to see it.
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    Jul 30, 2012 5:08 AM GMT
    Daas said
    paulflexes said
    mz29xy said- The soy based esterols are too bio similar to female estrogen.
    Does this mean my soy milk will cause me to stop being a str8-acting musc masc top jock bro dude? icon_eek.gif


    Dude, you're gonna grow a bitch-tit.
    That's perfectly ok as long as you promise to motorboat it.
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    Jul 30, 2012 11:18 AM GMT
    DudeInNOVA saidCitations?

    Everything I've been able to find says that these statements aren't true. Soy has never been proven to cause these problems. If someone can point to a scientific article that says otherwise, I'd love to see it.


    QFT

    Soy has been shown to be only good in scientific studies. People like you, OP, are the ones giving publicity to false soy claims.

    Personally, I have been consuming soy since age 16 in large quantities (ie over 30g a day). In the past two years, I've consumed probably 60-70g per day from soy alone as a vegetarian.

    I LOVE soymilk on my cereal in the morning, on my oatmeal at lunch along with a nice scoop of Fearn Soya Granules (crushed soybeans in a can!), and more Soya Granules in the evening in my red bean and brown rice veggie stir fry. I drink chocolate soymilk mixed with powdered dry milk post-workout. It is delicious. Sometimes I like to change it up and use Tempeh instead of red beans in my stir fry.

    So far the only side effects are I have naturally high testosterone and DHT levels thanks to my wonderful genetics (it's actually 10 points higher than normal levels at the endocrinologist), I consume less saturated fat than meat eaters thanks to Soy not having any, and lastly..............


    I am gay! That's right, it is possible Soy made me really, REALLY like to make out with other men and play with their penis and take cock up my ass and put cock in their ass and eat their ass and get my ass eaten and to fellate cock.
  • offshore

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    Jul 30, 2012 11:27 AM GMT
    OP: What a load of bollocks.

    Asian cultures not consuming soy often? Have you BEEN to Asia even? Stop talking shit.
  • offshore

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    Jul 30, 2012 11:52 AM GMT
    Lived half of my life there. Not an Australian.

    What's up with the cloned profile?
  • offshore

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    Jul 30, 2012 12:15 PM GMT
    What happened to Much More than Muscle ID?
  • CarbGoggles

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    Jul 30, 2012 12:19 PM GMT
    MuchoMasQueMusculo saidCloned profile?

    Busted ROR!!
  • dancedancekj

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    Jul 30, 2012 12:28 PM GMT
    The link between phytoestrogens and the human body is not well understood. I would be in favor of not consuming soy due to the fact that it's an inferior source of food compared to animal products as a source of protein, and as compared to cruciferous veggies, berries, and root tubers regarding compounds such as fiber, phenols and antioxidants.

    There's also the issue of the antinutrients, such as lectin and Kunitz trypsin inhibitor
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15080333
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14533866
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2869231/

    Granted, these are all animal studies (at least they're not in vivo!). They find that processing that removes the antinutrients allows for better growth in the animals (although I'm of the opinion that the animals would have done better with foods they are meant to be eating - not soy).

    Asian cultures typically fermented and prepped soybeans to remove their antinutrients and add nutritive value. Tofu, natto, tempeh, miso/tamari are the examples I can think of right now. Edamame isn't really a traditional food, and they definitely did not grind up raw soybeans to be used as a staple.
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    Jul 30, 2012 12:31 PM GMT
    For the record, this whole soy = feminization hysterical rumor was concocted by a Right Wing head case in New Zealand as a causal link for homosexuality in young male adolescents.

    It's bullshit courtesy of fucking WorldNetDaily.

    Consider the source.
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    Jul 31, 2012 2:15 AM GMT
    dancedancekj saidThe link between phytoestrogens and the human body is not well understood. I would be in favor of not consuming soy due to the fact that it's an inferior source of food compared to animal products as a source of protein, and as compared to cruciferous veggies, berries, and root tubers regarding compounds such as fiber, phenols and antioxidants.

    There's also the issue of the antinutrients, such as lectin and Kunitz trypsin inhibitor
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15080333
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14533866
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2869231/

    Granted, these are all animal studies (at least they're not in vivo!). They find that processing that removes the antinutrients allows for better growth in the animals (although I'm of the opinion that the animals would have done better with foods they are meant to be eating - not soy).

    Asian cultures typically fermented and prepped soybeans to remove their antinutrients and add nutritive value. Tofu, natto, tempeh, miso/tamari are the examples I can think of right now. Edamame isn't really a traditional food, and they definitely did not grind up raw soybeans to be used as a staple.


    Soy is not inferior to animal protein. The current standard of protein quality is the PDCAAS. Soybeans are 0.91 while beef is 0.92.

    Soy protein (not soybeans, so without the fiber/antinutrients) is 1.00 along with egg white and whey also at 1.00.

    Soy also has no saturated fat, but beef, no matter how lean, will always have considerable amounts of saturated fat. Soy also has fiber. Beef has no fiber, and it is advised that you not consume red meat often due to increased risks of colon cancer (likely due to the lack of fiber in diets of people who eat red meat regularly).