Former Vice President Dick Cheney says he supported same-sex marriage back in 2000

  • metta

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    Jul 31, 2012 12:21 AM GMT

    former vice president Dick Cheney says he supported same-sex marriage back in 2000

    http://www.advocate.com/politics/marriage-equality/2012/07/30/former-vice-president-dick-cheney-claims-he-supported-gay
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    Jul 31, 2012 12:38 AM GMT
    Just goes to show that ppl are not all bad or all good. There must be some good in the ole dirtbag.
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    Jul 31, 2012 1:57 AM GMT
    beachwalk saidJust goes to show that ppl are not all bad or all good. There must be some good in the ole dirtbag.


    Exactly. It's actually the VPs job to support all of the President's policies no matter what. For instance, Bush 1 was a pro-choice candidate during the Republican primary in 1980. When Reagan tapped him as Veep, the primary caveat was Bush had to change his position to pro-life. If he didn't, Reagan would look elsewhere.

    Cheney supported nearly all Bush policies except gay marriage. He had no problem breaking from the ranks. Never liked Cheney, but I always respected his belief that he was doing the right thing--even when I disagreed with his position.
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    Jul 31, 2012 2:00 AM GMT
    If only go backwards was as easy being backwards... oh what the Politicians will spin in the name of love.
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    Jul 31, 2012 2:15 AM GMT
    Obviously, his lesbian daughter has everything to do with his decision to support seme-sex marriage......as it should. It's his own flesh and blood

  • Jul 31, 2012 2:25 AM GMT
    It's a nice gesture, but to be perfectly honest, I just don't think the majority of gay men (in particular) have their shit together enough to know what marriage really is, that it is something that lasts more than three months (or until someone better comes along), and it's a legally binding contract, meaning that, if you don't like this guy someday because he wears brown socks with black shoes, or something trivial like that, you can't just ditch him someday. Are we ready for this? I don't think we are.

    In order for marriage to be real, for it to work, and for it to get off the ground, WE have to figure out who we are, where to meet other gay men, how to deal with other gay men sober, and how to navigate a relationship that has a shot at marriage someday. We can have all the marriage laws and boycotts of anti-gay groups and everything, but it really comes down to gay people and how we relate (or refuse to relate) to one another. Our criteria for a partner - not everyone - but a good number of us - is centred around looks, age, money, and social status, rather than substance, what kind of parent/partner this person might be, what kind of future we both desire together. For those who've found this place, that's great. But that's a very small percentage of gay society, one which doesn't even make up 10% of the population. Now, for us to even FIND someone, out of that 10%, it might be many, many, many years before we find anyone. I'm finding a lot of guys who've heard all the great things about marriage but after 10-15 years of finding nobody, their question is no longer 'I demand the right to marry!' but now it's 'am I ever going to meet anyone - at all?'.

    I challenge that we have a dialogue - if we are really serious about marriage, let's talk. How do we, in 2012, meet other gay men? Why are social networks - which in 1996, were supposed to solve the problem of finding gay men that we'd otherwise never meet? That has not led to more relationships over time. Why is it that with gay life becoming more accepted in non-gay society, gay people are becoming less tolerant of each other? These are all strong questions meant to start a conversation that, I hope, brings to light things that we need to work on before we can truly say most of us are ready for marriage. Unfortunately, in order to enjoy the right to get married, there has to be someone to marry. Otherwise, it's no different than giving someone a driver's license and then telling them they'll never be able to afford or drive a car.
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    Jul 31, 2012 2:27 AM GMT
    Did he oppose the war in Iraq too?
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    Jul 31, 2012 2:29 AM GMT
    Import saidObviously, his lesbian daughter has everything to do with his decision to support seme-sex marriage......as it should. It's his own flesh and blood


    So he essentially betrayed his daughter for the good of his political career. Nice.
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    Jul 31, 2012 2:30 AM GMT
    Ever notice how many of these Arch Conservatives have pesky gay kids in their broods?

    And like the Bushes and the McCains, his stand is oh-so-bold, coming years after it would've done any real good.
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    Jul 31, 2012 2:45 AM GMT
    swimguychicago said
    Import saidObviously, his lesbian daughter has everything to do with his decision to support seme-sex marriage......as it should. It's his own flesh and blood


    So he essentially betrayed his daughter for the good of his political career. Nice.

    i know, right? icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jul 31, 2012 2:55 AM GMT
    Bush didnt really have an issue with it either.. except that Karl Rove was driving the agenda and even Laura told him NOT to use that shit as a wedge issue but GW was too power hungry to care.. he did exactly as he was instructed by the Rove machine. Rove needs to be beheaded.
    Research your history folks..icon_wink.gif
  • LuckyGuyKC

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    Jul 31, 2012 3:06 AM GMT
    Convictions are more dangerous foes of truth than lies.
    Nietzsche

    In this case Cheney had only convictions to the Republican party and not to the truth or his daughter.....what service is his long delayed revelation to his daughter or to LGBT equality?
  • swall1963

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    Jul 31, 2012 3:07 AM GMT
    Guess that heart implant (excuse me transplant) did some good. However, I am not buying it. He can say this now when his opinion doesn't matter to anyone but himself.
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    Jul 31, 2012 3:08 AM GMT
    Even war criminals can support same-sex marriage!
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    Jul 31, 2012 3:13 AM GMT
    He had to sell out his daughter to advance the PNAC globalist agenda.
  • Musicman91

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    Jul 31, 2012 3:14 AM GMT
    Trollileo saidI hate politics...


    +1
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    Jul 31, 2012 3:22 AM GMT
    Toronto416 saidIt's a nice gesture, but to be perfectly honest, I just don't think the majority of gay men (in particular) have their shit together enough to know what marriage really is...


    I edited your original quote for obvious reasons...and perhaps it's just my mood, but I have never read such bullshit in my life.

    Yes by all means judge every gay man in the world by your narrow little life experiences.

    And by they way marriage equality is about having access to legal rights and privileges afforded to straight couples in a government recognized civil marriage. The last time I checked there isn't a prerequisite for straight couples to "have their shit together" before they get married so why should same sex couples have a higher standard?
  • ac416

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    Jul 31, 2012 3:33 AM GMT
    beachwalk saidJust goes to show that ppl are not all bad or all good. There must be some good in the ole dirtbag.


    Supporting equality doesn't make you a good person..or a better person. It just means you have common sense because you know it has no negative effect on anything. Just makes him smart, but no suprise there, he's an evil genius scumbag!
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    Jul 31, 2012 3:39 AM GMT
    Toronto416 saidIt's a nice gesture, but to be perfectly honest, I just don't think the majority of gay men (in particular) have their shit together enough to know what marriage really is, that it is something that lasts more than three months...
    Blah blah blah


    This is really offensive. Don't blame all gay people for your own personal problems.
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    Jul 31, 2012 3:50 AM GMT
    Wow. so doing the right thing means selling out your beliefs in order to benefit your party or your boss, even at the expense of your own family? icon_eek.gif



    redsoxfan791 said
    beachwalk saidJust goes to show that ppl are not all bad or all good. There must be some good in the ole dirtbag.


    Exactly. It's actually the VPs job to support all of the President's policies no matter what. For instance, Bush 1 was a pro-choice candidate during the Republican primary in 1980. When Reagan tapped him as Veep, the primary caveat was Bush had to change his position to pro-life. If he didn't, Reagan would look elsewhere.

    Cheney supported nearly all Bush policies except gay marriage. He had no problem breaking from the ranks. Never liked Cheney, but I always respected his belief that he was doing the right thing--even when I disagreed with his position.
  • LuckyGuyKC

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    Jul 31, 2012 11:59 AM GMT
    As the saying goes "you are either for me or you are against me"

    I can't imagine how crappy it would feel to have your parent not attend your marriage for the sake of public appearances.
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    Jul 31, 2012 12:08 PM GMT
    KissTheSky said
    Toronto416 saidIt's a nice gesture, but to be perfectly honest, I just don't think the majority of gay men (in particular) have their shit together enough to know what marriage really is, that it is something that lasts more than three months...
    Blah blah blah


    This is really offensive. Don't blame all gay people for your own personal problems.
    From the same guy who posted:
    I'm in downtown Toronto, been here a few weeks...what a letdown...people are so rude & frigid
    on a canadian social networking site.icon_rolleyes.gif
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jul 31, 2012 1:41 PM GMT
    swimguychicago saidDid he oppose the war in Iraq too?
    Now lets not get ahead of ourselves.
  • HottJoe

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    Jul 31, 2012 4:27 PM GMT
    Elusium saidEver notice how many of these Arch Conservatives have pesky gay kids in their broods?

    And like the Bushes and the McCains, his stand is oh-so-bold, coming years after it would've done any real good.


    Don't forget Laura Bush!!

    Also, McCain's daughter is straight but strongly supports gay marriage.icon_biggrin.gif

    She still can't make me a republican though. icon_lol.gif
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    Jul 31, 2012 4:41 PM GMT
    TropicalMark saidBush didnt really have an issue with it either.. except that Karl Rove was driving the agenda and even Laura told him NOT to use that shit as a wedge issue but GW was too power hungry to care.. he did exactly as he was instructed by the Rove machine. Rove needs to be beheaded.
    Research your history folks..icon_wink.gif


    I strangely like this notion in spite of being a pacifist.