Toronto Vs. Montreal

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    Jul 31, 2012 8:32 PM GMT
    I am considering to move to Montreal due to its lower cost of living as my income comes from online business ventures the only overhead cost would be my cost of living/home office rent expenses.


    Can anyone give me insights about these cities? especially if you've lived in both

    Also does Montreal have gay friendly sports teams? as I tend to be highly involved with sports


    To moderate this thread, please don't bother giving your 2 cents if you've never lived in Canada. You must at least have lived in either one of these cities or in canada/usa and understand how things work around here.
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    Jul 31, 2012 8:57 PM GMT
    Never LIVED in Toronto or Montreal, but I have lived in Ottowa and spent MUCH time in Montreal. It is such a world class city, has a pretty vibrant gay scene and I was always felt at home. Never lacked for anything to do whilst in Montreal either. Plus, it's a francophone province and I do like the French language.
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    Jul 31, 2012 8:58 PM GMT
    What's your French?

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    LIEV saidNever LIVED in Toronto or Montreal, but I have lived in Ottowa and spent MUCH time in Montreal. It is such a world class city, has a pretty vibrant gay scene and I was always felt at home. Never lacked for anything to do whilst in Montreal either. Plus, it's a francophone province and I do like the French language.



    oo i dint consider ottawa, that seems like a cool choice too
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    Hapuna saidWhat's your French?



    haha ZERO but its not important my busines doesnt deal with local markets or i'll immerse learn and get by icon_smile.gif maybe even learn by dating a french guy haha
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jul 31, 2012 9:20 PM GMT
    I have been to Toronto many times in the past. It is a beautiful, modern, progressive city with an awesome waterfront, great architecture, and tremendous ethnic and cultural diversity. I never lived in Toronto or anyplace else in Canada but from what I have seen in my many trips to Toronto, it appears to be a very exciting and livable city. I have been told that it is very expensive but good things come in expensive packages. If you want dirt cheap, then immigrate to the US and check out these three cities- Niagara Falls NY, Youngstown OH, and Saginaw MI. These three depressed, decayed shitholes are dirt cheap to live in because nobody in their right mind would ever consider investing or moving into them.
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    Jul 31, 2012 9:31 PM GMT
    i lived in montreal for almost two years. Montreal is one of the most gay friendly places in Canada and is just a wicked place to live. lots of culture and there's always something to do. the people are nicer than in toronto and the city itself is nicer. i have a friend in mtl who plays on a gay baseball team so there must other gay sports team around for sure.
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    Hapuna saidWhat's your French?



    haha ZERO but its not important my busines doesnt deal with local markets or i'll immerse learn and get by icon_smile.gif maybe even learn by dating a french guy haha

    I thought in HS you're required to learn French in Canada icon_confused.gif
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    Jul 31, 2012 10:14 PM GMT
    I love living in Montreal! Apart from being able to find a beautiful apartment for pennies it just feels like the city promotes a healthier lifestyle. Everyone bikes EVERYWHERE and it's way safer and easier than in Toronto There is a really strong cafe and music culture that is so cheap it doesn't make you feel guilty about indulging in it all the time. Plus it doesn't have that sprawl band like the GTA wrapped around it so you can move from the heart of downtown into open country in about ten minutes, and then out to the ski hills that you can see from downtown. And there is Parc Mont Royal right in the middle of everything covered in trails and forest which is perfect for going for runs to clear your head. I really like Toronto too, but just by comparing the day-to-day enjoyability of living in the two cities, Montreal is really a no-brainer for me.
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    Jul 31, 2012 10:27 PM GMT
    How do you feel about winter? It's usually more severe in Montréal. Great gay nightlife and a unique culture for North America, however.

    Toronto is great from an arts perspective, and it's Pride festival is second to none. You're also more likely to be able to make business connections there. But it definitely isn't a terribly outdoors-centric city; that having been said, there are a lot of gay sports leagues and other activities via Out and Out (https://www.outandout.on.ca/)

    You can get all of that outdoors activity in Vancouver, and more of it frankly. Ever consider the West Coast?
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    intensity69 saidHow do you feel about winter? It's usually more severe in Montréal. Great gay nightlife and a unique culture for North America, however.

    Toronto is great from an arts perspective, and it's Pride festival is second to none. You're also more likely to be able to make business connections there. But it definitely isn't a terribly outdoors-centric city; that having been said, there are a lot of gay sports leagues and other activities via Out and Out (https://www.outandout.on.ca/)

    You can get all of that outdoors activity in Vancouver, and more of it frankly. Ever consider the West Coast?


    LOVE winters and rain, REALLY hate summers and too much sun, it annoys me and it isnt great when you like to play outside. Isn't vancouver super expensive in everything? specially the rent since that's my biggest expense as well as services.
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    Aug 01, 2012 7:59 AM GMT
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    Hapuna saidWhat's your French?



    haha ZERO but its not important my busines doesnt deal with local markets or i'll immerse learn and get by icon_smile.gif maybe even learn by dating a french guy haha

    I thought in HS you're required to learn French in Canada icon_confused.gif


    no one remembers second languages from hs if you don't use them.
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    Hapuna saidWhat's your French?



    haha ZERO but its not important my busines doesnt deal with local markets or i'll immerse learn and get by icon_smile.gif maybe even learn by dating a french guy haha


    French guy here! ;-)
    I visited both city.... Toronto have my vote. However MOntreal is vibrant, and have an european feeling.
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    Aug 01, 2012 9:10 AM GMT
    I live in Montreal and visited Toronto for two months and both have very interesting aspects.

    Both are multi-ethnical and have a very cool gay scene.
    Both have VERY good looking men, haha.

    Montreal stands out by the presence of French speaking which is interesting.
    I also feel like everything is close to each other in Montreal, everything is bike/subway distance which can be very convenient.

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    I'm loving the input, keep em coming guys! thanks icon_smile.gif
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    intensity69 saidHow do you feel about winter? It's usually more severe in Montréal. Great gay nightlife and a unique culture for North America, however.

    Toronto is great from an arts perspective, and it's Pride festival is second to none. You're also more likely to be able to make business connections there. But it definitely isn't a terribly outdoors-centric city; that having been said, there are a lot of gay sports leagues and other activities via Out and Out (https://www.outandout.on.ca/)

    You can get all of that outdoors activity in Vancouver, and more of it frankly. Ever consider the West Coast?


    LOVE winters and rain, REALLY hate summers and too much sun, it annoys me and it isnt great when you like to play outside. Isn't vancouver super expensive in everything? specially the rent since that's my biggest expense as well as services.


    Depends on what you're looking for, and where. The West End *IS* very expensive, as are Kitsilano, Yaletown, and Coal Harbour.

    Dave and I live in the Commercial Drive area, a nice 15-minute bike ride to the downtown core. I'm paying $850/month for a 680 sq. ft. one-bedroom garden-level suite (secondary suites in single-family detached homes are very common in Vancouver). Dave pays a bit more for a 3rd floor apartment. Pretty reasonable, really.
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    intensity69 saidHow do you feel about winter? It's usually more severe in Montréal. Great gay nightlife and a unique culture for North America, however.

    Toronto is great from an arts perspective, and it's Pride festival is second to none. You're also more likely to be able to make business connections there. But it definitely isn't a terribly outdoors-centric city; that having been said, there are a lot of gay sports leagues and other activities via Out and Out (https://www.outandout.on.ca/)

    You can get all of that outdoors activity in Vancouver, and more of it frankly. Ever consider the West Coast?


    LOVE winters and rain, REALLY hate summers and too much sun, it annoys me and it isnt great when you like to play outside. Isn't vancouver super expensive in everything? specially the rent since that's my biggest expense as well as services.


    Depends on what you're looking for, and where. The West End *IS* very expensive, as are Kitsilano, Yaletown, and Coal Harbour.

    Dave and I live in the Commercial Drive area, a nice 15-minute bike ride to the downtown core. I'm paying $850/month for a 680 sq. ft. one-bedroom garden-level suite (secondary suites in single-family detached homes are very common in Vancouver). Dave pays a bit more for a 3rd floor apartment. Pretty reasonable, really.


    whoa! are you for real? 850 for a 680 sqfeet? that sounds cheaper than toronto! lol and yeah i will have to live on my own because i require a studio environment for my media work, cant have room mate interruptions.
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    intensity69 said

    Depends on what you're looking for, and where. The West End *IS* very expensive, as are Kitsilano, Yaletown, and Coal Harbour.

    Dave and I live in the Commercial Drive area, a nice 15-minute bike ride to the downtown core. I'm paying $850/month for a 680 sq. ft. one-bedroom garden-level suite (secondary suites in single-family detached homes are very common in Vancouver). Dave pays a bit more for a 3rd floor apartment. Pretty reasonable, really.


    whoa! are you for real? 850 for a 680 sqfeet? that sounds cheaper than toronto! lol and yeah i will have to live on my own because i require a studio environment for my media work, cant have room mate interruptions.


    You have to dig around for the deals, as I got a very good one. But they're out there. Look around on kijiji.ca ... or craigslist (kijiji has a way better interface, but fewer listings in Vancouver). The real trick is knowing which neighbourhoods meet your needs; when I moved, I made a tour of prospective neighbourhoods to figure out which I'd prefer.

    The better deals are East-Side Vancouver, South Vancouver's Marpole area Burnaby, and New Westminster, with a few properties in the City of North Vancouver. All are on Skytrain/Seabus.
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    Montreal has the largest gay village in North America, by a long shot and is much bigger than Church and Wesley

    Rent and housing prices are about 2/3's in some cases of Toronto's.
    Subway is system is as big as Torontos despite being only 3/4s the size.
    Much more culture, interesting, diverse and ALIVE than Toronto, big party town, clubs that are open till the next afternoon are very common.

    The French are hotter friendlier, much more progressive and less uptight douchbag and professional than Toronto. Also gay rights are explicitly mentioned in the Quebec constitution while not specifically in Canada's.

    *Montreal: Picture sitting on a terrance sipping wine in old montreal, on a crisp autumn day, with a local jazz band playing on the patio.

    Toronto: Someone cutting you off in their lexus they dad bought them, people calling you disgusting for asking to buy a cigarette while waiting for the bus.(though still friendly than anywhere in the states)


    From the point of view from someone who grew up in the burbs around Toronto and knows the city well.


    I'd move to Montreal in a heart beat over almost any city in North America save for Vancouver my current location.
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    intensity69 said
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    intensity69 said

    Depends on what you're looking for, and where. The West End *IS* very expensive, as are Kitsilano, Yaletown, and Coal Harbour.

    Dave and I live in the Commercial Drive area, a nice 15-minute bike ride to the downtown core. I'm paying $850/month for a 680 sq. ft. one-bedroom garden-level suite (secondary suites in single-family detached homes are very common in Vancouver). Dave pays a bit more for a 3rd floor apartment. Pretty reasonable, really.


    whoa! are you for real? 850 for a 680 sqfeet? that sounds cheaper than toronto! lol and yeah i will have to live on my own because i require a studio environment for my media work, cant have room mate interruptions.


    You have to dig around for the deals, as I got a very good one. But they're out there. Look around on kijiji.ca ... or craigslist (kijiji has a way better interface, but fewer listings in Vancouver). The real trick is knowing which neighbourhoods meet your needs; when I moved, I made a tour of prospective neighbourhoods to figure out which I'd prefer.

    The better deals are East-Side Vancouver, South Vancouver's Marpole area Burnaby, and New Westminster, with a few properties in the City of North Vancouver. All are on Skytrain/Seabus.


    What I find so odd in Vancouver is that the rental prices are so afforadable yet the purchase price for the same property is outlandish.

    Also Vancouver seems to offer really affordable dining. Cheap and creative cuisine!

    Montreal, I LOVE for lots of reasons....but cheap dining isn't one of them.
    OTOH, to buy an apartment in the Plateau IS CHEAP.

    When your main expenses are rent and eating out when necessary, I think Vancouver would be the better bargain.
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    Aug 01, 2012 11:46 PM GMT
    Montreal is amazing

    but those pales he is name in vancity? Marpole and all that? not close to downtown really. And commerical drive is a little bit... sketchy in many parts. Some parts are lovely but many are not. Vancity is also really expensive for things like food.
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    mizu5 saidMontreal is amazing

    but those pales he is name in vancity? Marpole and all that? not close to downtown really. And commerical drive is a little bit... sketchy in many parts. Some parts are lovely but many are not. Vancity is also really expensive for things like food.


    Marpole is 15 minutes to DT via the Canada Line. OR perhaps 30-40 minutes via bike, depending on traffic and your cycling skill level.

    Commercial Drive is very safe, not sketchy at all. Yes, it's not the hyper-sanitized snobbish Kitsilano or Yaletown, but some of us like area with a mix of social strata. And people-watching for the oddballs/characters is a fun spectator sport. icon_biggrin.gif

    Food is not expensive. In my area, there are tons of family-run shops with huge bargains on fruit, veggies, nuts, whole-foods ... you name it. Restaurants in the area are also generally modestly priced.

    But yes, if you're living in the over-priced West End ghetto, things are definitely over-inflated. And a tad sterile and uninteresting, tbh.