The fight against intolerance

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    Aug 01, 2012 12:47 AM GMT
    I recently had an altercation on another thread with another poster who called gay Republicans "traitorous and hypocritical." I am a registered Democrat, and I was appauled to see this level of intolerance in large part because he was railing against so-called intolerant Republicans. The complete and total lack of self-awareness was absolutely breathtaking.

    I'm calling for everyone to take a stand against all forms of intolerance--even those who's beliefs we might agree with. We all have the right to think and believe as we choose. We also have the right to respectfully disagree.

    I realize name calling will never fully disappear from the internet. Things like this will never disappear because of the anonymous nature of internet bulletin boards. Still, intolerance is intolerance. Doing so while masquerading as a liberal crusader really is hypocritical.

    (FWIW, I respect this person's right to his own beliefs. It's might right to respectfully disagree with the manner he expresses--which I'm doing right now.)
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    Aug 01, 2012 12:51 AM GMT
    Not afraid to admit that I am intolerant of those who are intolerant of minorities based on race, sexual orientation, ethnicity and any other factor a person can not change about himself or herself. I see no reason to be tolerant of intolerance.
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    Aug 01, 2012 12:53 AM GMT
    Everyone is a hypocrite.

    It would be nice of the two parties could just get along.

    We don't take kindly to those who don't take kindly to others 'round here.
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    Aug 01, 2012 12:58 AM GMT
    SSJTrunks saidEveryone is a hypocrite.

    It would be nice of the two parties could just get along.

    We don't take kindly to those who don't take kindly to others 'round here.


    It's pretty sad. It's funny that both groups complain about the other side's intolerance for each other. It is the very definition of irony.
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    Aug 01, 2012 12:59 AM GMT
    Iceblink pisses me off a lot, but I would never tell him that, rather tolerate him.

    Truthful my enjoyment in RJ increased 10 fold when I stopped even opening the 'politics' link; think, my blood pressure dropped as well.
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    Aug 01, 2012 1:03 AM GMT
    You cant be serious. Its one thing to believe something but its a whole other thing to vote laws that take that belief and force it on everyone.
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    Aug 01, 2012 1:07 AM GMT
    Sally likes to torture kittens. This makes Dick very sad. Dick doesn't tell Sally because he doesn't want to appear intolerant. icon_neutral.gif
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    Aug 01, 2012 1:11 AM GMT
    Scruffypup saidSally likes to torture kittens. This makes Dick very sad. Dick doesn't tell Sally because he doesn't want to appear intolerant. icon_neutral.gif


    I think Dick is just using to much Xanax...you can tell by his affect toward Sally. It can be misunderstood as tolerance
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    Aug 01, 2012 1:15 AM GMT
    I think it's accurate to call republicans traitors when it comes to gay rights.
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    Aug 01, 2012 2:22 AM GMT
    Scruffypup saidSally likes to torture kittens. This makes Dick very sad. Dick doesn't tell Sally because he doesn't want to appear intolerant. icon_neutral.gif


    You can disagree with out being intolerant. That's the point. People would rather engage in hateful, intolerant rhetoric, rather than listen, consider the opposition, and make an intelligent, respectful reply.
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    Aug 01, 2012 2:23 AM GMT
    HottJoe saidI think it's accurate to call republicans traitors when it comes to gay rights.


    You can be for gay rights and still be Republican. I'm not one of them, but I know several. Believe it or not, there are a lot of other issues that affect every one of us that don't just involve gay rights.
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    Aug 01, 2012 2:41 AM GMT
    redsoxfan791 said
    HottJoe saidI think it's accurate to call republicans traitors when it comes to gay rights.


    You can be for gay rights and still be Republican. I'm not one of them, but I know several. Believe it or not, there are a lot of other issues that affect every one of us that don't just involve gay rights.

    There are other issues, but I doubt anyone would say anything like this about a group that was against equality for African-Americans, Jewish, or women. Why do we sell ourselves short compared to other groups that have been the subject of discrimination? Could you imagine anyone saying, "He might not think African-Americans should be allowed to marry, or Jewish people should not be allowed in the military, or women should not be protected from discrimination on the job, but there are a lot of other issues that effect everyone of us that don't just involve racial/religious/gender rights?" Anyone that said that would instantly lose all credibility. With us, however, it is somehow okay.
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    Aug 01, 2012 2:43 AM GMT
    The republicans are the anti gay party. Electing Romney would cause us to lose rights. I don't know what they have to offer you that's more important than that, but the gay community would be weakened. It just seems like you're not being loyal to anyone, even yourself, so I don't see how calling you a traitor is a show of intolerance.
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    Aug 01, 2012 3:10 AM GMT
    Reminds me of my "how to avoid becoming a person you hate" thread i made months ago.

    Although hypocritical I think it's very common that people will simply be able to point out and criticize those they don't agree with and then justify their own actions even if they're technically acting the same as the people they're criticizing.

    So i'm not sure if you'll be successful in reaching other people through this thread but if you feel strongly about it then just be an example and do you. That's all that matters in the end right? =D
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    Aug 01, 2012 3:18 AM GMT
    I agree. This site could be so much more uplifting if we all supported each other rather than the usual separatism we find among different races and beliefs. PS there are a lot of gay republicans around.
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    Aug 01, 2012 3:22 AM GMT
    HottJoe saidThe republicans are the anti gay party. Electing Romney would cause us to lose rights. I don't know what they have to offer you that's more important than that, but the gay community would be weakened. It just seems like you're not being loyal to anyone, even yourself, so I don't see how calling you a traitor is a show of intolerance.
    The Republican party has literally nothing to offer unless you're a millionaire. I don't understand why so many people are blind to that.
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    Aug 01, 2012 3:31 AM GMT
    redsoxfan791 saidYou can be for gay rights and still be Republican.

    Actually you can't. Not according to the Party and its official platform. Being against gay civil rights is a litmus test for being a Republican office holder. Few Republicans who hold positive gay positions get their Party's endorsement and support for elective office.

    Now certainly individual Republican voters can favor gay rights. But then they vote for anti-gay Republican candidates, so their pro-gay personal views are meaningless. And those that do vote for candidates with pro-gay positions are called Democrats. Because you certainly can't find gay-supportive Republicans for whom to vote.
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    Aug 01, 2012 3:41 AM GMT
    HottJoe saidThe republicans are the anti gay party. Electing Romney would cause us to lose rights. I don't know what they have to offer you that's more important than that, but the gay community would be weakened. It just seems like you're not being loyal to anyone, even yourself, so I don't see how calling you a traitor is a show of intolerance.


    Where the fuck is the "LIKE" button?
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    Aug 01, 2012 3:44 AM GMT
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    redsoxfan791 saidYou can be for gay rights and still be Republican.

    Actually you can't. Not according to the Party and its official platform. Being against gay civil rights is a litmus test for being a Republican office holder. Few Republicans who hold positive gay positions get their Party's endorsement and support for elective office.

    Now certainly individual Republican voters can favor gay rights. But then they vote for anti-gay Republican candidates, so their pro-gay personal views are meaningless. And those that do vote for candidates with pro-gay positions are called Democrats. Because you certainly can't find gay-supportive Republicans for whom to vote, so why call yourself a Republican if you can't vote for anything gay positive in your party?


    Yeah, his good intentions are wasted, but even beyond that it's also a betrayal to everyone who is gay. It's not even just his vote. Every time he talks up the party against us, he's talking down the party for us, and this is the first time in history we've even had a party for us. We've been the rats of humanity for far too long. I just think it weakens the gay community. It's about more than just politics.
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    Aug 01, 2012 3:46 AM GMT
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    HottJoe saidThe republicans are the anti gay party. Electing Romney would cause us to lose rights. I don't know what they have to offer you that's more important than that, but the gay community would be weakened. It just seems like you're not being loyal to anyone, even yourself, so I don't see how calling you a traitor is a show of intolerance.


    Where the fuck is the "LIKE" button?


    I was looking more for the "LOVE" button. icon_wink.gif

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    Aug 01, 2012 3:46 AM GMT
    Calling yourself a gay republican is like calling yourself a jewish nazi.
    Makes no sense.
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    Aug 01, 2012 3:49 AM GMT
    I have no problem calling a spade a spade and I see gay Republicans as traitors. If that offends you I guess you can just be offended.