Jon Stewart calls Sen. Harry Reid's fabricated rumors on Mitt Romney's taxes "bulls*it", compares Reid to Donald Trump (updated)

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    Aug 01, 2012 11:36 AM GMT
    (Updated with pasted articles later in thread) It's notable that this is from a journalist who has been openly supporting Obama but one who reports specifically on financial services and specifically private equity/venture capital. But what's clear is that Reid is either gullible or lacks integrity while the Washington Post has shown that they have given up on trying to report the news with any sort of critical thought.

    http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2012/07/31/calling-bs-on-reids-bain-tax-claims/

    One of two things has happened: (1) Reid is simply making the whole thing up, in order to pressure Romney into releasing tax returns for years prior to 2010, or (2) Reid's investor pal lied, and the Senator didn't bother to conduct even a mild vetting before sharing the accusation with reporters. Either way, shame on gossipy gentleman from Nevada.

    Let me make this crystal clear: Investors in private equity funds do not receive, nor are they entitled to request, personal tax returns for fund managers. Not just at Bain Capital, but everywhere. For example, ask the person managing your 401(k) for their personal tax returns. See how far you get.

    What makes this particular claim even sillier, of course, is that Romney hasn't even been managing Bain funds for the past 10 years (no matter when you believe he left the firm). He's been a silent investor like Harvard and MIT. Think the guy managing private equity for Harvard can get the personal tax returns of the guy managing private equity for MIT? Yes, that's another rhetorical question.

    And just to close the circle, it also isn't possible that Reid's source was someone within Bain because partner tax returns are not prepared or reviewed in the firm's offices. Instead, that's done at PricewaterhouseCoopers. So no "maybe someone found it on a fax machine" theories. It's also possible that someone else at Bain didn't pay taxes for 10 years, but that wouldn't necessarily mean that Romney did or didn't (he does have other financial interests).

    A Reid spokesman defended his boss to me on the phone, only saying that I'd have to talk to Reid's original source. But of course he wouldn't provide the source, or even ask Reid if there had been a follow-up like "How the hell would you know that?"

    Whatever the truth about Romney's tax history, we know that Reid's "source" is full of it.
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    Aug 01, 2012 11:50 AM GMT
    Reid never said that his source at Bain claimed to have seen Mittens' tax returns. He simply said he hadn't paid any taxes. The provenance of that information is never cited. Perhaps Willard told him that he hadn't paid any taxes as they sat around a fire drinking brandy and watching dressage.
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    Aug 01, 2012 12:39 PM GMT
    There is some discussion here.

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2569272
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    Aug 01, 2012 12:58 PM GMT
    socalfitness saidThere is some discussion here.

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2569272


    Yep - not surprising that the usual suspects parrot the same points. Despite the fact these claims are ridiculous on their face. Reid I think was trying to be too clever by half - in trying to force Romney to release tax records he himself will not nor did he demand of John Kerry.

    These claims and the reporting from the Washington post just make them both seem unreliable - but that's why they've both been losing popularity.
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    socalfitness saidThere is some discussion here.

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2569272


    Yep - not surprising that the usual suspects parrot the same points. Despite the fact these claims are ridiculous on their face. Reid I think was trying to be too clever by half - in trying to force Romney to release tax records he himself will not nor did he demand of John Kerry.

    These claims and the reporting from the Washington post just make them both seem unreliable - but that's why they've both been losing popularity.

    It is surprising their stories are so flimsy. I think they must know they won't stand up, but don't care because the only intent is to raise the issue, which is more important to them than their reputation.
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    Aug 01, 2012 1:04 PM GMT
    Dont worry Riddler, this will be cleared up soon.
    Willard said he's be "happy to go back and look" at his tax rate paid.
    We all know Willard is a man of his word, I'm sure any day now...
    Hold your breath.
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    socalfitness saidThere is some discussion here.

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2569272


    Yep - not surprising that the usual suspects parrot the same points. Despite the fact these claims are ridiculous on their face. Reid I think was trying to be too clever by half - in trying to force Romney to release tax records he himself will not nor did he demand of John Kerry.

    These claims and the reporting from the Washington post just make them both seem unreliable - but that's why they've both been losing popularity.

    It is surprising their stories are so flimsy. I think they must know they won't stand up, but don't care because the only intent is to raise the issue, which is more important to them than their reputation.


    You'd think that the Washington Post would care about its reputation given how they have been hemorrhaging readers.
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    Aug 02, 2012 2:18 AM GMT
    No, no, no, Senator Reid didn't lie.

    He simply stated that someone had told him something about Romney's tax returns.

    Nice try, LIAR.
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    Aug 02, 2012 2:26 AM GMT
    Webster666 saidNo, no, no, Senator Reid didn't lie.

    He simply stated that someone had told him something about Romney's tax returns.

    Nice try, LIAR.


    If that's true then he should have no problem saying who it is who told him this given that he has given credence to the claims. Just on the most basic level, the facts don't add up. I mean you could claim he's just too stupid to actually understand this - but the alternative is that he lied.

    Which is it?
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    Aug 02, 2012 2:43 AM GMT
    Webster666 saidNo, no, no, Senator Reid didn't lie.

    He simply stated that someone had told him something about Romney's tax returns.

    Nice try, LIAR.

    Yeah, "someone."

    As an attorney, Harry Reid should know that "he said/she said," also known in the legal world as hearsay, is not admissible evidence. I'm sure he learned that basic principle in his first year of law school.

    But of course...he probably thinks that whatever he heard from this person is credible evidence.
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    Aug 02, 2012 2:46 AM GMT
    DalTX saidDont worry Riddler, this will be cleared up soon.
    Willard said he's be "happy to go back and look" at his tax rate paid.
    We all know Willard is a man of his word, I'm sure any day now...
    Hold your breath.


    I BELIEVE MITT WILL LIVE UP TO HIS WORD !

    I believe in unicorns too.

    riddler, I also have to agree with you that Senator Harry Reid or his source could be lying. It is possible.

    But we also have to consider that since Team Romney hasn't bothered to refute this information with any actual PROOF....

    ......IT IS PROBABLY TRUE THAT ....

    MITT PAID NOOOOOOOO TAXES FOR TEN YEARS !

    But don't worry. Your Man Mitt will clear this up soon, don't you think?
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    Aug 02, 2012 2:49 AM GMT
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    Webster666 saidNo, no, no, Senator Reid didn't lie.

    He simply stated that someone had told him something about Romney's tax returns.

    Nice try, LIAR.

    Yeah, "someone."

    As an attorney, Harry Reid should know that "he said/she said," also known in the legal world as hearsay, is not admissible evidence. I'm sure he learned that basic principle in his first year of law school.

    But of course...he probably thinks that whatever he heard from this person is credible evidence.


    No, this isn't even about he said she said and it's not a court of law. It directly reflects either on his intelligence or his integrity given how ridiculous the claim is already on its face. He should name the individual who made these claims or he himself should have never made them in the first place.
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    libertpaulian said
    Webster666 saidNo, no, no, Senator Reid didn't lie.

    He simply stated that someone had told him something about Romney's tax returns.

    Nice try, LIAR.

    Yeah, "someone."

    As an attorney, Harry Reid should know that "he said/she said," also known in the legal world as hearsay, is not admissible evidence. I'm sure he learned that basic principle in his first year of law school.

    But of course...he probably thinks that whatever he heard from this person is credible evidence.


    No, this isn't even about he said she said and it's not a court of law. It directly reflects either on his intelligence or his integrity given how ridiculous the claim is already on its face. He should name the individual who made these claims or he himself should have never made them in the first place.

    I'm not saying it has to do with a court of law.

    I'm saying that, if hearsay is not admissible in a court of law, what makes Reid think that it's "admissible" into public debate?
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    libertpaulian said
    riddler78 said
    libertpaulian said
    Webster666 saidNo, no, no, Senator Reid didn't lie.

    He simply stated that someone had told him something about Romney's tax returns.

    Nice try, LIAR.

    Yeah, "someone."

    As an attorney, Harry Reid should know that "he said/she said," also known in the legal world as hearsay, is not admissible evidence. I'm sure he learned that basic principle in his first year of law school.

    But of course...he probably thinks that whatever he heard from this person is credible evidence.


    No, this isn't even about he said she said and it's not a court of law. It directly reflects either on his intelligence or his integrity given how ridiculous the claim is already on its face. He should name the individual who made these claims or he himself should have never made them in the first place.

    I'm not saying it has to do with a court of law.

    I'm saying that, if hearsay is not admissible in a court of law, what makes Reid think that it's "admissible" into public debate?


    I think the realm of public debate and burden of proof is far far below that of a court of law. And some things can make great politics that would never be admissible in court and you do it anyway - but this tactic by Reid is neither. It boils down to the fact Reid is stupid or he lied - and there's really no need to get much more complicated than that.
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    Webster666 saidNo, no, no, Senator Reid didn't lie.

    He simply stated that someone had told him something about Romney's tax returns.

    Nice try, LIAR.


    If that's true then he should have no problem saying who it is who told him this given that he has given credence to the claims. Just on the most basic level, the facts don't add up. I mean you could claim he's just too stupid to actually understand this - but the alternative is that he lied.

    Which is it?


    Romney's entire campaign is based on a series of lies and half-truths, so your faux outrage is a bit irritating,.
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    riddler78 said
    Webster666 saidNo, no, no, Senator Reid didn't lie.

    He simply stated that someone had told him something about Romney's tax returns.

    Nice try, LIAR.


    If that's true then he should have no problem saying who it is who told him this given that he has given credence to the claims. Just on the most basic level, the facts don't add up. I mean you could claim he's just too stupid to actually understand this - but the alternative is that he lied.

    Which is it?


    Romney's entire campaign is based on a series of lies and half-truths, so your faux outrage is a bit irritating,.

    Obama: "It's working."

    Of course, it could be true depending on the meaning of "it". If "it" refers to his true goals, then, yes, it is working so far, with the support of some very foolish people.
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2568545
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    socalfitness said
    Christian73 said
    riddler78 said
    Webster666 saidNo, no, no, Senator Reid didn't lie.

    He simply stated that someone had told him something about Romney's tax returns.

    Nice try, LIAR.


    If that's true then he should have no problem saying who it is who told him this given that he has given credence to the claims. Just on the most basic level, the facts don't add up. I mean you could claim he's just too stupid to actually understand this - but the alternative is that he lied.

    Which is it?


    Romney's entire campaign is based on a series of lies and half-truths, so your faux outrage is a bit irritating,.

    Obama: "It's working."

    Of course, it could be true depending on the meaning of "it". If "it" refers to his true goals, then, yes, it is working so far, with the support of some very foolish people.
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2568545


    Heh - yeah you're responding to a guy who thinks that Obama's word is pretty much gospel.
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    socalfitness said
    Christian73 said
    riddler78 said
    Webster666 saidNo, no, no, Senator Reid didn't lie.

    He simply stated that someone had told him something about Romney's tax returns.

    Nice try, LIAR.


    If that's true then he should have no problem saying who it is who told him this given that he has given credence to the claims. Just on the most basic level, the facts don't add up. I mean you could claim he's just too stupid to actually understand this - but the alternative is that he lied.

    Which is it?


    Romney's entire campaign is based on a series of lies and half-truths, so your faux outrage is a bit irritating,.

    Obama: "It's working."

    Of course, it could be true depending on the meaning of "it". If "it" refers to his true goals, then, yes, it is working so far, with the support of some very foolish people.
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2568545


    To defend Romney epic series of lies, you point to a completely discredited hack also known for extensive prevarication. Good job! icon_lol.gif
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    Christian73 said
    socalfitness said
    Christian73 said
    riddler78 said
    Webster666 saidNo, no, no, Senator Reid didn't lie.

    He simply stated that someone had told him something about Romney's tax returns.

    Nice try, LIAR.


    If that's true then he should have no problem saying who it is who told him this given that he has given credence to the claims. Just on the most basic level, the facts don't add up. I mean you could claim he's just too stupid to actually understand this - but the alternative is that he lied.

    Which is it?


    Romney's entire campaign is based on a series of lies and half-truths, so your faux outrage is a bit irritating,.

    Obama: "It's working."

    Of course, it could be true depending on the meaning of "it". If "it" refers to his true goals, then, yes, it is working so far, with the support of some very foolish people.
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2568545


    To defend Romney epic series of lies, you point to a completely discredited hack also known for extensive prevarication. Good job! icon_lol.gif


    Epic series of lies? Heh - what's funny is that you actually probably believe the crap you spew ;).
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    riddler78 said
    Christian73 said
    socalfitness said
    Christian73 said
    riddler78 said
    Webster666 saidNo, no, no, Senator Reid didn't lie.

    He simply stated that someone had told him something about Romney's tax returns.

    Nice try, LIAR.


    If that's true then he should have no problem saying who it is who told him this given that he has given credence to the claims. Just on the most basic level, the facts don't add up. I mean you could claim he's just too stupid to actually understand this - but the alternative is that he lied.

    Which is it?


    Romney's entire campaign is based on a series of lies and half-truths, so your faux outrage is a bit irritating,.

    Obama: "It's working."

    Of course, it could be true depending on the meaning of "it". If "it" refers to his true goals, then, yes, it is working so far, with the support of some very foolish people.
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2568545


    To defend Romney epic series of lies, you point to a completely discredited hack also known for extensive prevarication. Good job! icon_lol.gif


    Epic series of lies? Heh - what's funny is that you actually probably believe the crap you spew ;).

    Indeed, and the narrative will focus even more on Obama and what he really is. We already know his attitude towards the private sector. His true feelings about that as well as the simple people who cling to their guns and their religion has consistently come out during the off-teleprompter moments. We also know his true desire to use taxes not for revenue but for wealth redistribution. We also know his attitude about subordinating the US, including supporting measures to redistribute US wealth to other countries, instead of addressing problems in those countries.

    All the pieces were visible in front of our noses. Now the movie based on Obama's autobiography that so scares the likes of Christian pulls things together to show us a person ideologically hellbent to weaken our country, going far beyond the agenda of the US left. The need to rid the country of this malignancy makes questions of where Romney stores his money ludicrous at best. And his shrillness about nonsense "epic of lies" is not only false, but completely irrelevant.
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    Aug 02, 2012 1:26 PM GMT
    So I hear that Harry Reid is a pedarast, it might be a good time for him to set the record straight:

    http://www.dailypundit.com/2012/08/01/hey-some-guy-told-me-harry-reid-is-a-pederast/
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    Aug 02, 2012 1:33 PM GMT
    "happy to go back and look"
    Any word yet Riddler?
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    riddler78 saidSo I hear that Harry Reid is a pedarast, it might be a good time for him to set the record straight:

    http://www.dailypundit.com/2012/08/01/hey-some-guy-told-me-harry-reid-is-a-pederast/

    I hear Joe Biden is one also. Someone called me on the phone and said he invested in some of the same funds Biden invested in and knows of Biden's activities. Said Biden hung out in the Wilmington, Delaware railroad station in the Men's Room waiting for unaccompanied boys.

    I also hear there are more revelations that might go up even higher in the Administration. He said he'll call me back with the more explosive information.

    I am wondering if the Washington Post will also run this. Maybe Page 1 above the fold.
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    Aug 02, 2012 1:43 PM GMT
    DalTX said"happy to go back and look"
    Any word yet Riddler?


    I dunno, maybe Reid should try to remember if he likes playing sexually with young boys? I mean surely his father would be pretty upset with him if he did.
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    riddler78 saidSo I hear that Harry Reid is a pedarast, it might be a good time for him to set the record straight:

    http://www.dailypundit.com/2012/08/01/hey-some-guy-told-me-harry-reid-is-a-pederast/

    I hear Joe Biden is one also. Someone called me on the phone and said he invested in some of the same funds Biden invested in and knows of Biden's activities. Said Biden hung out in the Wilmington, Delaware railroad station in the Men's Room waiting for unaccompanied boys.

    I also hear there are more revelations that might go up even higher in the Administration. He said he'll call me back with the more explosive information.

    I am wondering if the Washington Post will also run this. Maybe Page 1 above the fold.


    It would be best if they addressed this matter as soon as possible. After all, Biden is second in line if anything happens to Obama and you probably don't want to have a pederast in the White House.