Is Gay Marriage Necessary? Part 2

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    Aug 01, 2012 9:58 PM GMT
    I recently posted a thread asking the overall importance to Gay marriage, most of the overall consensus dealt with the importance of equality. But I want to ask this question. With the "equality" of gays being allowed to marry instilled in society bring forth a kind of Pandoras box to where a group like pedophiles, polygamist, or animal lovers whatever can raise a fist and say 'we want equality'. Could they argue that its not fair that gays have their rights just like gays argue that straight couples have their rights. Again this is not my opinion its just a curious question, especially since this is my first election where I am old enough to voteicon_confused.gif
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    Aug 01, 2012 10:19 PM GMT
    Dont be ridiculous, gay marriage would be between two consenting adults, Animals cant consent, children are too impressionable and besides they cant marry without a parents consent. There arent many parents who are going to be ok with some adult marrying their child. Polygamy is only a one way street as far as I understand, meaning, 1 man can have multiple wives but 1 woman cannot have multiple husbands. Not very equal, and women today wouldnt be ok with that shit, not by a long shot.
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    Aug 02, 2012 1:11 AM GMT
    Rain17 saidI recently posted a thread asking the overall importance to Gay marriage, most of the overall consensus dealt with the importance of equality. But I want to ask this question. With the "equality" of gays being allowed to marry instilled in society bring forth a kind of Pandoras box to where a group like pedophiles, polygamist, or animal lovers whatever can raise a fist and say 'we want equality'. Could they argue that its not fair that gays have their rights just like gays argue that straight couples have their rights. Again this is not my opinion its just a curious question, especially since this is my first election where I am old enough to voteicon_confused.gif
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  • Timbales

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    Aug 02, 2012 1:22 AM GMT
    I'm not gay married, I'm just married.
  • AMoonHawk

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    Aug 02, 2012 1:22 AM GMT
    Maybe you're right. The real fix is to get rid of government licensed marriage. A marriage between two people is a personal belief. The government has NO right to license any marriage. They have well out reached their powers by being given the power to say who can marry and who cannot marry.
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    Aug 02, 2012 2:23 AM GMT
    For me it's an important government-sanctioned affirmation of my right to inherit my spouse's property upon his death, and his on mine. Also, a government-enforced right of mine to be present--and make--medical decisions for him if he's incapacitated, likewise him for me.

    My right to have my child (if any) raised by him if I die, and vice versa. Our right to avoid probate entanglements for our stuff if either one of us goes.

    The whole loving him 'til death, yadda yadda, I've got covered already. I don't need the state to sanction that.

    Is gay marriage necessary? It is if you care whether or not gays are second-class citizens.
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    Aug 02, 2012 3:02 AM GMT
    mickeytopogigio saidFor me it's an important government-sanctioned affirmation of my right to inherit my spouse's property upon his death, and his on mine. Also, a government-enforced right of mine to be present--and make--medical decisions for him if he's incapacitated, likewise him for me.

    My right to have my child (if any) raised by him if I die, and vice versa. Our right to avoid probate entanglements for our stuff if either one of us goes.

    The whole loving him 'til death, yadda yadda, I've got covered already. I don't need the state to sanction that.

    Is gay marriage necessary? It is if you care whether or not gays are second-class citizens.


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    Aug 02, 2012 3:08 AM GMT
    mickeytopogigio saidFor me it's an important government-sanctioned affirmation of my right to inherit my spouse's property upon his death, and his on mine. Also, a government-enforced right of mine to be present--and make--medical decisions for him if he's incapacitated, likewise him for me.

    My right to have my child (if any) raised by him if I die, and vice versa. Our right to avoid probate entanglements for our stuff if either one of us goes.

    The whole loving him 'til death, yadda yadda, I've got covered already. I don't need the state to sanction that.

    Is gay marriage necessary? It is if you care whether or not gays are second-class citizens.


    +2, but he lives in Texas so not a shocker, us gay Texans are quite intelligent icon_smile.gif
  • dancedancekj

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    Aug 02, 2012 3:16 AM GMT
    The actual result is not as important as the process.

    After the past couple years, I believe the US is on an accelerated path to equality for GLBTQ. Every time something comes up in the media, there is increasingly more and more support for GLBTQ equality.

    So actually getting marriage equality? That's cool. But I'm more interested in the gradual exposure, education, and acceptance of gay people in the US. With every bigoted statement, every movement to ban gay marriage, every protest by NOM, FOF, One Million Moms, they give the perfect publicity for advancing our cause.
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    Aug 02, 2012 4:31 AM GMT
    The government needs to revisit the 'marriage licence' and consider a 'partnership' program. That way, people who are gay, straight or just platonic relationships can receive benefits from their 'partners.'

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    Aug 02, 2012 5:23 AM GMT
    Claystation saidDont be ridiculous, gay marriage would be between two consenting adults, Animals cant consent, children are too impressionable and besides they cant marry without a parents consent. There arent many parents who are going to be ok with some adult marrying their child. Polygamy is only a one way street as far as I understand, meaning, 1 man can have multiple wives but 1 woman cannot have multiple husbands. Not very equal, and women today wouldnt be ok with that shit, not by a long shot.



    +10

    It's so.. strange, upsetting, depressing, that people don't see the abuse part as the only valid reason to forbid some sexual behaviors.

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    Aug 02, 2012 1:41 PM GMT
    mickeytopogigio saidFor me it's an important government-sanctioned affirmation of my right to inherit my spouse's property upon his death, and his on mine. Also, a government-enforced right of mine to be present--and make--medical decisions for him if he's incapacitated, likewise him for me.

    My right to have my child (if any) raised by him if I die, and vice versa. Our right to avoid probate entanglements for our stuff if either one of us goes.

    The whole loving him 'til death, yadda yadda, I've got covered already. I don't need the state to sanction that.

    Is gay marriage necessary? It is if you care whether or not gays are second-class citizens.


    That sounds pretty legit to me!
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    Aug 02, 2012 1:43 PM GMT
    minox said
    Claystation saidDont be ridiculous, gay marriage would be between two consenting adults, Animals cant consent, children are too impressionable and besides they cant marry without a parents consent. There arent many parents who are going to be ok with some adult marrying their child. Polygamy is only a one way street as far as I understand, meaning, 1 man can have multiple wives but 1 woman cannot have multiple husbands. Not very equal, and women today wouldnt be ok with that shit, not by a long shot.



    +10

    It's so.. strange, upsetting, depressing, that people don't see the abuse part as the only valid reason to forbid some sexual behaviors.



    Def. some people do not understand the difference between harm and just plain love u know?
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    Aug 02, 2012 1:44 PM GMT
    It's about MONEY! It's about equality. It's about the over one thousand rights bestowed upon people for participating in a voodoo ritual. If the voodoo is good for some, it's good for all.
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    Aug 02, 2012 2:05 PM GMT
    McGay saidIt's about MONEY! It's about equality. It's about the over one thousand rights bestowed upon people for participating in a voodoo ritual. If the voodoo is good for some, it's good for all.

    Oooooo ... do tell .... you mean there is no voodoo marriage for same sex couples icon_sad.gif
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    Aug 02, 2012 2:08 PM GMT
    Rain17 saidI recently posted a thread asking the overall importance to Gay marriage, most of the overall consensus dealt with the importance of equality. But I want to ask this question. With the "equality" of gays being allowed to marry instilled in society bring forth a kind of Pandoras box to where a group like pedophiles, polygamist, or animal lovers whatever can raise a fist and say 'we want equality'. Could they argue that its not fair that gays have their rights just like gays argue that straight couples have their rights. Again this is not my opinion its just a curious question, especially since this is my first election where I am old enough to voteicon_confused.gif



    Funny......you don't LOOK like Pat Robertson. icon_neutral.gif
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    Aug 02, 2012 2:21 PM GMT
    Rain17 saidI recently posted a thread asking the overall importance to Gay marriage, most of the overall consensus dealt with the importance of equality. But I want to ask this question. With the "equality" of gays being allowed to marry instilled in society bring forth a kind of Pandoras box to where a group like pedophiles, polygamist, or animal lovers whatever can raise a fist and say 'we want equality'. Could they argue that its not fair that gays have their rights just like gays argue that straight couples have their rights. Again this is not my opinion its just a curious question, especially since this is my first election where I am old enough to voteicon_confused.gif


    You just compared the comitted love of a same-sex couple to pedophilia, polygamy, and bestiality. You have internatilized society's hatred of you. you are not alone in this. Many gays, particularly older right-wing gays, so hate themselves that they support efforts to put money in the hand of organizations that deny equality, freedom, and the right to life to other gays.

    You have been fed this poison by a culture that has told you that you are worthless, unloved, unwanted, dangerous, wrong, and weird. Its all lies. You need to learn to love yourself and to get your mind right. Until then, this question isn't even worth answering. You need to look in the mirror and try to discover why you equate gay love with criminal and deviant behavior.
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    Aug 02, 2012 2:25 PM GMT
    Rain17 saidI recently posted a thread asking the overall importance to Gay marriage, most of the overall consensus dealt with the importance of equality. But I want to ask this question. With the "equality" of gays being allowed to marry instilled in society bring forth a kind of Pandoras box to where a group like pedophiles, polygamist, or animal lovers whatever can raise a fist and say 'we want equality'. Could they argue that its not fair that gays have their rights just like gays argue that straight couples have their rights. Again this is not my opinion its just a curious question, especially since this is my first election where I am old enough to voteicon_confused.gif


    The legalization of homosexuality and sodomy didn't act as a gateway to the acceptance of pedophilia and bestiality, so I wouldn't worry about gay marriage acting as a catalyst.

    There are key differences already mentioned... Pedophilia and Bestiality are not consensual and act as a form of abuse.

    Polygamy might be consensual, but it is much harder to integrate with current marriage laws in terms of property ownership, spousal rights and exemptions etc...
    I am not a polygamist, but see no moral objections to it, so I think that in the future we may have to have that discussion separately on it's own merits. Until then we should focus on the topic at hand.
  • Another_Jerem...

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    Aug 02, 2012 2:39 PM GMT
    My post from the part 1

    I would vote for same sex marriage for the following reason: fuck the christians.

    Other than that I don't care about it. At all.

    Marriage affects a very small portion of the gay population.

    Honestly, I'd vote for someone who was neutral on gay marriage if they were aggressive about a single payer healthcare system and other economic injustices that affect a hell of a lot more people.

    Visiting this site has taught me that the liberalism of many gay men only goes as far as their being able to suck cock and not be bludgeoned or denied a marriage license. For those of us who aren't middle class, gay white men there are a lot more pressing concerns than whether or not Joe and Randy can live out their white picket fence fantasy.

    If I'm supposed to give a shit about your dream, then you need to give a shit a the racism and misogyny in the gay community. Just sayin.