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Hidden member	Aug 11, 2008 6:23 PM GMT One of my co-workers, in textbook Republican fashion, announced that people from other countries "hate us because they envy us". In textbook Republican fashion, she became nasty upon being asked to qualify that statement. I've never been outside this country, but I have been told that people in other countries don't hate Americans but hate our political leaders. My mother said that when she was in Italy, for example, the people there didn't hate Americans. They hated Bush. Thoughts?

Hidden member	Aug 11, 2008 7:25 PM GMT Is that "foreign" or "non-American?" Generally, Filipinos don't hate Americans, nor Bush. (We're too busy trying to fix our own mess.) Filipinos don't hate any nationality for that matter. And what your Republican friend said may have been true decades ago, but that's not the case now.
Hidden member	Aug 11, 2008 7:51 PM GMT NoNameGuy saidOne of my co-workers, in textbook Republican fashion, announced that people from other countries "hate us because they envy us". In textbook Republican fashion, she became nasty upon being asked to qualify that statement. I've never been outside this country, but I have been told that people in other countries don't hate Americans but hate our political leaders. My mother said that when she was in Italy, for example, the people there didn't hate Americans. They hated Bush. Thoughts? As carverhouse said, most Filipinos are Americanophiles because it was the Americans who liberated the Philippines from the Spanish during the Spanish-American War. Personally, I don't like the American Government, and I especially don't like one large chunk of the American population - Republicans and Bible-Thumpers. The statement of your Republican coworker mirrors what the world really hates about Americans. Self-righteous arrogance and ultranationalism hiding latent racistic and chauvinistic/homophobic tendencies reinforced by the fact that they belong to the most powerful nation in the world and no one can challenge their status of King of the Hill anyway. Online for example, most of the rudest people I've met are Americans (though barely understandable Eastern Europeans come a close second LOL). Rarely do I meet a racist or homophobic European/Australian/Canadian etc. online in comparison to Americans or East Europeans(though I once ran across a homophobic Pakistani). Not generalizing, some republicans and bible thumpers are pretty nice... When they aren't talking about war and Domestic Security or something. The image of America is shifting from a helpful big brother to a smug bully for some reason. As for envy, there are plenty of other nations with roughly the same or higher standards of living than America and yet other nations don't hate them - Japan, Canada, UK, France, Belgium, Switzerland, Germany, etc. for example.
Hidden member	Aug 11, 2008 8:05 PM GMT Hate is too strong a word here. Generally, I find that Europeans disliked the government of America until Americans elected Bush for the second time. Now they are taking a closer look at the American people themselves and they wonder what the hell is going on across the pond. This wonder is directed at the majority of the voting public and is not a general dislike for all Americans. Envy is a ridiculous use of terminology here. No one I have spoken to in Europe wants to move to America. This thought is just one American's arrogance but it is believed here, that thought is widespread amoungst the uneducated American public.
MikePhilPerez Posts: 3758	Aug 11, 2008 8:20 PM GMT I will only speak for myself, and I don't hate any nationality. Some nationalities have ways about them that may annoy me, but I do not hate them. I don't particularly like Bush though I wouldn't be on RJ if I hated Americans Mike
charlitos Posts: 3046	Aug 11, 2008 8:38 PM GMT How can you hate people you dont know????? Does that make sense? NO. Im Cuban and I hate deeply the states government cause they want to make Cuba look its like that because of Fidel Castro, and im surprised of how many people believed it, even Cubans themselves. BUT PEOPLE FROM THE STATES? Come on! We all live in the same planet, and most of the guys ive felt more attracted to, they live in the states, they are nice, they like a lot of things i like and they are cool, so NO NO and NO, i dont hate americans. However i can tell that this statement "hate us because they envy us" is arrogant 100% and whoever wrote it, i hate him.
redheadguy Posts: 3081	Aug 11, 2008 10:07 PM GMT I think some Americans come across as bullies. Let's face it recently you have invaded foreign countries because you want their oil. And then your government has pretended it's about democracy. When it isn't it's about oil and money. And then at something as even as innocuous as the Olympics you don't even play fair. You cheat by taking steroids and chemical enhancers and then you cry when you are found out - Marion Davies being a prime example, and Ben Johnson there's another. And then when you win you don't behave properly, like today in the swimming race where the winners stamped around like you were the master race. It's just hateful and a bit Nazi-ish. And when you visit our countries you endlessly complain, the weather's terrible, there's no air conditioning, the plumbing's no good, hell you don't even want to eat our food you'd rather go to McDonalds. And you invented obesity and fat people.
MikePhilPerez Posts: 3758	Aug 11, 2008 10:17 PM GMT redheadguy saidLet's face it recently you have invaded foreign countries because you want their oil. And then your government has pretended it's about democracy. When it isn't it's about oil and money. Last time I looked, the British were right there with them
redheadguy Posts: 3081	Aug 11, 2008 10:21 PM GMT Sorry, who have we invaded recently? Don't be talking about 200 years ago.
Hidden member	Aug 11, 2008 10:48 PM GMT redheadguy saidI think some Americans come across as bullies. Let's face it recently you have invaded foreign countries because you want their oil. And then your government has pretended it's about democracy. When it isn't it's about oil and money. And then at something as even as innocuous as the Olympics you don't even play fair. You cheat by taking steroids and chemical enhancers and then you cry when you are found out - Marion Davies being a prime example, and Ben Johnson there's another. And then when you win you don't behave properly, like today in the swimming race where the winners stamped around like you were the master race. It's just hateful and a bit Nazi-ish. And when you visit our countries you endlessly complain, the weather's terrible, there's no air conditioning, the plumbing's no good, hell you don't even want to eat our food you'd rather go to McDonalds. And you invented obesity and fat people. Well, that was charming.
redheadguy Posts: 3081	Aug 11, 2008 10:50 PM GMT Truth only hurts the liar.
Hidden member	Aug 11, 2008 10:51 PM GMT it is not so much that other nationalities (hate) americans its the way americans often believe they are the best now i have been to the us and i got along with americans just fine, loved the country now when you talk politics its a diffr ballgame and yes foreingers just dont understand and yes the us is diffr to other country,s but not ness better just bigger
Hidden member	Aug 11, 2008 10:53 PM GMT redheadguy said And you invented obesity and fat people. Ever hear of Falstaff?
Hidden member	Aug 11, 2008 10:54 PM GMT I have met very few Canadians that are envious of Americans. If anything the opposite.
redheadguy Posts: 3081	Aug 11, 2008 10:54 PM GMT Did Falstaff invent McDonalds? Or cookie dough? Or all you can eat buffets? Or golf carts? Or the 1001 different ways Americans find of not doing any exercise? And then complaining about it? Or expecting drug companies to come up with a way of solving it? Or gastric bands?
imaxim Posts: 92	Aug 11, 2008 10:55 PM GMT redheadguy saidAnd then at something as even as innocuous as the Olympics you don't even play fair. You cheat by taking steroids and chemical enhancers and then you cry when you are found out - Marion Davies being a prime example, and Ben Johnson there's another. Ben Johnson was Canadian...
allgoodinhwoo... Posts: 279	Aug 11, 2008 10:56 PM GMT Redheadguy, Ben Johnson was a Canadian sprinter.
MikePhilPerez Posts: 3758	Aug 11, 2008 10:58 PM GMT redheadguy saidSorry, who have we invaded recently? Don't be talking about 200 years ago. Are you trying to tell me, the British did not invade Iraq with the US
Hidden member	Aug 11, 2008 10:59 PM GMT redheadguy saidDid Falstaff invent McDonalds? Or cookie dough? Or all you can eat buffets? Or golf carts? Or the 1001 different ways Americans find of not doing any exercise? And then complaining about it? Or expecting drug companies to come up with a way of solving it? Or gastric bands? Oops, broke my own rule. Never engage a guy with visible lather around his mouth.
BabiGayPimp Posts: 165	Aug 11, 2008 11:20 PM GMT I can understand feelings of ambivalence from the international community towards americans, who represent a complex mix of human strengths and weaknesses, but I've always felt it unfair to state: "We love americans but hate the american government." They are one in the same. It is a representative democracy, not a dictatorship. He/it represents ALL of them , even those who didn't vote. Especially those who didn't vote.
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Hidden member	Aug 11, 2008 11:35 PM GMT well trinidadians love everyone LOL but i think the reason other counties "hate" the US is because the US is so powerful and US policy, directly or indirectly, heavily influences the politics, economics and even automony of other countries. US policy seeks US interests and any other country who is affected negatively by US policy would be resentful. Also, US culture is also very invasive. But that's more of a local problem and not the fault of the USA.
olden Posts: 180	Aug 11, 2008 11:43 PM GMT I have worked and travelled in Europe extensively. I don't think anyone I have met or worked with "hates" me because I am an American. However, I obey the following simple rules: 1. I don't talk politics, theirs or mine. 2. I don't talk religion, theirs or mine. 3. I say "Please" and "Thank you" as I was brought up to do. This was standard training in the first half of the last century although I am not so sure about it today. 4. Compliment people about their cities and countries. 5. Smile a lot. You too can be an American Ambassador.
Hidden member	Aug 11, 2008 11:44 PM GMT redheadguy saidAnd you invented obesity and fat people.

Hidden member	Aug 11, 2008 11:50 PM GMT redheadguy saidSorry, who have we invaded recently? Don't be talking about 200 years ago. Last time I checked you sent troops in right along side ours. And Ben Johnson? Last time I checked he was Canadian and doesn't that make him a British citizen by default? Come on now, you're making a fool of yourself.

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