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    Aug 03, 2012 10:52 PM GMT
    President Obama will say anything to get a vote....anything! From what I've seen, he has no intention of following through on anything. All talk no action. Have you noticed he stopped speaking about gay marriage? Too many votes lost there, he only said it to get the gay vote anyway. Really in the past four years, he's done so very little to make a gay mans life better, I'm actually worse off. The economy is terrible, the job outlook is terrible, a health care bill that no one wants (even though it's probably better than nothing), a foreign policy that's terrible, open boarders, a horrible energy policy (Keystone pipeline!! How could he give that away!), gridlock in the congress, a monetary policy that's horrible, no hope, absolutely no hope for our young people...and his re-election campaign is full of lies and half truths.

    Now, tell me again why I should vote for him.
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    Aug 03, 2012 11:05 PM GMT
    Buster57 saidPresident Obama will say anything to get a vote....anything!

    As compared to Mitt "Etch-a-Sketch" Romney? Now that IS funny! icon_biggrin.gif
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    Aug 03, 2012 11:06 PM GMT
    What's your alternative where your vote can make a difference?

    Remember, you're 54 and it looks like you've got some serious visceral fat going on. You're going to need all the Social Security and Medicare, and any other social safety net programs you can get (unless your partner is rich).

    I'm sure Mitt will take care of you. icon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gif
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    Aug 03, 2012 11:13 PM GMT
    You guy's are mistaken. I never said Mitt was the answer, but I know what I've had the past four years, and it hasn't been worth a crap. I'm willing to vote for anyone else. These young people need JOBS, and Obama has done nothing...really he's done nothing at all to help these kids. He just talks about nothing. He is so full of hot air, it's distressing. Terrible.

    It's absolutely unbelievable to me that people would vote this guy in for four more years, and judging by the comments I received from Art Deco and GAMRican, it's no wonder why. These guys aren't concerned about our young people, hell, GAMRicans only contribution has been "how to clean your ass so you can get fucked."
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    Aug 04, 2012 9:42 PM GMT
    Buster57Now, tell me again why I should vote for him.


    You should vote for him because the republican candidate has vowed to reverse gay rights. You don't want to betray the whole community over something you clearly see with tunnel vision. Obama has done more for the gay community than any president in history. Frankly, it disgusts me to see so many headless traitors on here.icon_confused.gif
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    Aug 04, 2012 9:51 PM GMT
    Amen. Why would any Gay or bi man give Obama their vote just because He said he supported Gay Marriage; and look at the fools who fell for it, took it hook line and sinker. But then there was also a man called Adolf Hitler who was too promise a gay movment of germany advancement if they helped him get into power. Then the night of the long knives put an end to that dream and hollow promise of advancement; and still people are fooled by a politision, who says what they want to hear, propaganda like: "I support gay marriage." Well as a Bona Fide Homosexual I support Civil Unions., not the oxymoron Gay Marriage concept.


    Oh Mr President, how come there are now more empty homes in America, than there are homeless people?
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    Aug 04, 2012 10:26 PM GMT
    Oh dear, I guess that we should not confuse you with facts, eh?

    - End of DADT policy
    - End of executive actions to defend DOMA
    - The fact that it takes two to tango: executive branch can only do so much without the consent of congress... and congress is grandstanding in a partisan way, more interested in the upcoming electoral cycle rather than getting things done for their constituents.

    Or did you think that you elected a limited-term absolute monarch? From the content of all of the griping, I sometimes wonder...
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    Aug 04, 2012 11:07 PM GMT
    A list of just what some of what he has done for gay rights. There has been more since this list was made.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/02/the-eight-other-gay-rights-victories-since-obama-took-office/71629/
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    Aug 04, 2012 11:19 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    Buster57Now, tell me again why I should vote for him.


    You should vote for him because the republican candidate has vowed to reverse gay rights. You don't want to betray the whole community over something you clearly see with tunnel vision. Obama has done more for the gay community than any president in history. Frankly, it disgusts me to see so many headless traitors on here.icon_confused.gif


    Wow dude, get over yourself already.

    If Bush were to come back and present himself, with his exact same disastrous and dark-age-like politics EXCEPT he would actually be a moderate pro-gay marriage, would you vote for him? You cannot judge a candidate on a SINGLE of its actions/beliefs, that's so silly! Any day I'd take someone who takes good care of the economy, education and health system rather than someone who fights for the rights of a minority, even if I am part of that minority.

    And op is not a "traitor". Do you think he is being selfish? Sounds to me like YOU are being incredibly selfish. As if being gay meant having to deny reality and become a relentless activist...

    (And I ain't saying that because I'm against Obama, I LOVE him, he certainly isn't comparable to Bush in any way, but that busterguy has got a right to his own opinion)
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    Aug 05, 2012 2:35 AM GMT
    Buster57 said................. GAMRicans only contribution has been "how to clean your ass so you can get fucked."



    Thank you for that laugh
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    Aug 05, 2012 3:31 AM GMT
    Rita said
    HottJoe said
    Buster57Now, tell me again why I should vote for him.


    You should vote for him because the republican candidate has vowed to reverse gay rights. You don't want to betray the whole community over something you clearly see with tunnel vision. Obama has done more for the gay community than any president in history. Frankly, it disgusts me to see so many headless traitors on here.icon_confused.gif


    Wow dude, get over yourself already.

    If Bush were to come back and present himself, with his exact same disastrous and dark-age-like politics EXCEPT he would actually be a moderate pro-gay marriage, would you vote for him? You cannot judge a candidate on a SINGLE of its actions/beliefs, that's so silly! Any day I'd take someone who takes good care of the economy, education and health system rather than someone who fights for the rights of a minority, even if I am part of that minority.

    And op is not a "traitor". Do you think he is being selfish? Sounds to me like YOU are being incredibly selfish. As if being gay meant having to deny reality and become a relentless activist...

    (And I ain't saying that because I'm against Obama, I LOVE him, he certainly isn't comparable to Bush in any way, but that busterguy has got a right to his own opinion)


    My views are wide ranging, and I'm not a party liner by any means. I agree with republicans (or at least sympathize with them) on some issues. I happen to think Obama is great too, but that's beside the point...

    This election is about more than politics for me. The two parties have drawn a line in the sand on gay rights. I just think a gay person voting against gay rights is betraying everyone. I really can't fathom what Romney has to offer that's worth setting our community back. When I look at history and what gay people had to face, and then think of gays voting against us, and themselves, only one word comes to mind, and that's TRAITOR.
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    Aug 05, 2012 4:44 AM GMT
    Buster wrote; "Now, tell me again why I should vote for him"



    Here's a list your partners when you vote for regressive republicans like Romney



    Rush Limbaugh

    Glenn Beck

    The Christian fundi's and TBaggers with a Muslim Boogyman,a socialist, communist or fascist around every corner.

    the conspiracy theorists, Louis Gohmert, Bachmann, Palin, breitbart and etc

    The NeoCon Pro War Hawks, Cheney, Bush, Wolfowitz, Ledeen, Liz Cheney, Bolten, Adelson, Abrams, Krystol, and many more with blood on their hands of 100's of thousands

    Look up the WND site and read the comments from the Christian Fundi's and TBagger Republicans and imagine yourself a partner with such fanatical beliefs


    Seriously, do some reading and see if you can identify as being among the above as your partners.

    WHETHER GAY REPUBLICANS SUCH AS OUR RJ CONSERVAPOSSE LIKE SoCal, CuriousJock, "THE OLD GEEZER", JockFever, and many others want to accept it or not, the above are who they are choosing as partners. How stupid does a person have to be to choose sworn enemies for partners ?
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    Aug 05, 2012 1:12 PM GMT
    You guys are too focused on yourselves and being gay. I think you should look at the bigger picture of no jobs, a horrible energy policy, gridlocked congress, etc. Gay rights will come in time, you want everything right now! You only see what's in it for you. Too bad. Obama is still the worst president I can ever remember. Just a horrible president.

    Our young people without jobs is terrible, and he's done nothing! He had the Senate and Congress his two first years in office and he did nothing but waste our money. Our poor young people. I can't believe anyone would want to put this guy back in office.
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    Aug 05, 2012 1:23 PM GMT
    A view from Denver on Keystone:

    It is for export, otherwise the pipeline would have stopped in Denver for the Denver refineries.

    According to Bloomberg, 2/29/12, the pipeline would actually raise gas prices in the midwest by diverting the fuel to Houston - again, why not use the Denver facilites?
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    Aug 05, 2012 1:27 PM GMT
    Buster57 saidYou guys are too focused on yourselves and being gay. I think you should look at the bigger picture of no jobs, a horrible energy policy, gridlocked congress, etc. Gay rights will come in time, you want everything right now! You only see what's in it for you. Too bad. Obama is still the worst president I can ever remember.


    My friends, I must say to you that we have not made a single gain in civil rights without determined legal and nonviolent pressure. Lamentably, it is an historical fact that privileged groups seldom give up their privileges voluntarily. Individuals may see the moral light and voluntarily give up their unjust posture; but, as Reinhold Niebuhr has reminded us, groups tend to be more immoral than individuals.

    We know through painful experience that freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the oppressed. Frankly, I have yet to engage in a direct action campaign that was "well timed" in the view of those who have not suffered unduly from the disease of segregation. For years now I have heard the word "Wait!" It rings in the ear of every Negro with piercing familiarity. This "Wait" has almost always meant "Never." We must come to see, with one of our distinguished jurists, that "justice too long delayed is justice denied."


    Excerpt from "Letter from a Birminghouse Jail" [King, Jr.]
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    Aug 05, 2012 1:28 PM GMT
    Also, it is not just the "gay thing," there are other issues with disagree with Romney to the point that we would vote for Obama.
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    Aug 05, 2012 1:42 PM GMT
    Buster57 said
    Our young people without jobs is terrible, and he's done nothing! He had the Senate and Congress his two first years in office and he did nothing but waste our money. Our poor young people. I can't believe anyone would want to put this guy back in office.


    Hey dumdum,

    The reason "our poor young people"can't find jobs is because corporatists like the republican senate and Mitt Romney do not care about the health, financial or otherwise, of the average American.

    They care about corporate profits which have little to do with the American worker and a lot todo with the American consumer. Their goal is to keep most Americans 'working poor' so they are constantly working.

    Just because you have told yourself the same American exceptionalist story about yourself that the Republican corporatists tell you about America doesn't make that selftalk true.

    You have had many many many benefits in life that other people haven't had...everyone is not the same...it's not a level playing field...so please please please STFU and stay home in November if you're not voting for the people.
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    Aug 05, 2012 2:05 PM GMT
    Buster57 saidYou guy's are mistaken. I never said Mitt was the answer, but I know what I've had the past four years, and it hasn't been worth a crap. I'm willing to vote for anyone else. These young people need JOBS, and Obama has done nothing...really he's done nothing at all to help these kids. He just talks about nothing. He is so full of hot air, it's distressing. Terrible.

    It's absolutely unbelievable to me that people would vote this guy in for four more years, and judging by the comments I received from Art Deco and GAMRican, it's no wonder why. These guys aren't concerned about our young people, hell, GAMRicans only contribution has been "how to clean your ass so you can get fucked."

    Now it's my turn to say that YOU'RE mistaken in your assumptions. I am indeed concerned about young people, and all segments of the workforce and the economy. You should rather ask your "Party of No" why they blocked everything they could in Congress that would help the economy, except for conservative social legislation in their War Against Women, War Against Gays, War Against The Middle Class. etc, etc.

    And is it only in the last 4 years that you've had crap? Did that condition begin the day Obama was inaugurated? I know that's the current Right Wing propaganda, that the Bad Times happened overnight in January, 2009. Prior to that moment everything was perfect: no financial meltdown, no housing crisis, no rising unemployment, no massive bailouts, nothing but peace & prosperity. icon_rolleyes.gif

    Unfortunately for your narrative you're selling your snake oil to the wrong crowd. You may have been told we're a bunch of dumb gay jocks here, but you'll find that we know our politics, our history, and our true friends. You come a little late to the game here, and your predecessors were frankly better at right Wing propaganda and disinformation than you are.

    I mean, you're still dragging up the false & discredited conservative lie that "[Obama] had the Senate and Congress his two first years in office and he did nothing but waste our money." (BTW, the Senate is part of the Congress - perhaps you mean the House?)

    The Senate never had more than 58 Democrats, short of the 60 vote supermajority needed to prevent Republican filibusters and other procedural roadblocks. And the 58 was only for 1 month, after Sen. Franken was finally seated following months of Republican lawsuits in Minnesota, followed by Sen. Kennedy's death. For most of Obama's Presidency the number of Democrats has been 57, with 2 unreliable Independents that still doesn't total 60.

    Funny, this was one of southbeach1500's favorite lies, that he would repeat again & again, despite being corrected just as often. In any case, try some actual discussion here, and not reciting conservative talking points you barely comprehend. Reminds me of kids reciting their memorized Catechism, without the slightest idea what any of it meant.
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    Aug 05, 2012 2:10 PM GMT
    Buster57 saidYou guys are too focused on yourselves and being gay. I think you should look at the bigger picture of no jobs, a horrible energy policy, gridlocked congress, etc. Gay rights will come in time, you want everything right now! You only see what's in it for you. Too bad. Obama is still the worst president I can ever remember. Just a horrible president.

    Our young people without jobs is terrible, and he's done nothing! He had the Senate and Congress his two first years in office and he did nothing but waste our money. Our poor young people. I can't believe anyone would want to put this guy back in office.


    Gay rights will come with people fighting for them, and the fight has been well underway for several decades. We've finally won the full fledged support of one party in our two party system. You're dense if you think you can keep voting republican and see gay rights happen "in time." You're betraying us to a party that wins its votes by appealing to religious superstitions.

    Beyond that, your argument of job creation is misguided. Romney would rake this country over the coals economically, our industries would fail, and the dollar would lose value under the republican's prescription of voodoo economics.
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    Aug 05, 2012 3:04 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said............................................

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    ...............Funny, this was one of southbeach1500's favorite lies, that he would repeat again & again, despite being corrected just as often. In any case, try some actual discussion here, and not reciting conservative talking points you barely comprehend. Reminds me of kids reciting their memorized Catechism, without the slightest idea what any of it meant.




    What's FUNNY? -is how Southbeach got under your skin-- here you are--still on about him? And don't you just recite HEN talking points? Thanks as always for the LULZ deco


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    Aug 05, 2012 3:10 PM GMT
    Buster57 saidYou guys are too focused on yourselves and being gay. I think you should look at the bigger picture of no jobs, a horrible energy policy, gridlocked congress, etc. Gay rights will come in time, you want everything right now! You only see what's in it for you. Too bad. Obama is still the worst president I can ever remember. Just a horrible president.

    Our young people without jobs is terrible, and he's done nothing! He had the Senate and Congress his two first years in office and he did nothing but waste our money. Our poor young people. I can't believe anyone would want to put this guy back in office.


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    READ !!! THEN TELL US YOU CANNOT FIND ANYTHING BUT GAY ISSUES AS REASONS TO NOT VOTE FOR ROMNEY. do you have impermiable lead in your head that allows nothing to 'SINK IN' ?



    Here's a list your partners when you vote for regressive republicans like Romney



    Rush Limbaugh

    Glenn Beck

    The Christian fundi's and TBaggers with a Muslim Boogyman,a socialist, communist or fascist around every corner.

    the conspiracy theorists, Louis Gohmert, Bachmann, Palin, breitbart and etc

    The NeoCon Pro War Hawks, Cheney, Bush, Wolfowitz, Ledeen, Liz Cheney, Bolten, Adelson, Abrams, Krystol, and many more with blood on their hands of 100's of thousands

    Look up the WND site and read the comments from the Christian Fundi's and TBagger Republicans and imagine yourself a partner with such fanatical beliefs


    Seriously, do some reading and see if you can identify as being among the above as your partners.

    WHETHER GAY REPUBLICANS SUCH AS OUR RJ CONSERVAPOSSE LIKE SoCal, CuriousJock, "THE OLD GEEZER", JockFever, and many others want to accept it or not, the above are who they are choosing as partners. How stupid does a person have to be to choose sworn enemies for partners ?
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    These are your partners when you vote republican, with this above group there are plenty of issues other than gay issues to use as reasons not to vote for them and especially the bought and paid fo Romney..
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    Aug 05, 2012 3:45 PM GMT
    You guys will see what Obama does for you if he re-elected, same thing he's done for you in the past...nothing. How bitter you all are, really Art Deco, you're like an old woman, and realifedad...you should know better. Everybody votes for the person who offers the most free stuff. I see it here on RJ, it's really a shame. I don't quite get it, but I guess I shouldn't be concerned. A bunch of you blame the previous adminstration, when does Obama start to take responsibility? I'm guessing never. Theres a lot of that going around now. So good luck to you guys, do the best you can for your neighbors. It's the right thing to do.icon_neutral.gif
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    Aug 05, 2012 4:35 PM GMT
    Buster57 saidYou guys will see what Obama does for you if he re-elected, same thing he's done for you in the past...nothing. How bitter you all are, really Art Deco, you're like an old woman, and realifedad...you should know better. Everybody votes for the person who offers the most free stuff. I see it here on RJ, it's really a shame. I don't quite get it, but I guess I shouldn't be concerned. A bunch of you blame the previous adminstration, when does Obama start to take responsibility? I'm guessing never. Theres a lot of that going around now. So good luck to you guys, do the best you can for your neighbors. It's the right thing to do.icon_neutral.gif





    OK, imagine that Obama came in without >>>


    1. the bush war expenses

    2. the bush war and economic debts and the exploding cost o them

    3. the bush recession that is the worst since the great depression

    4. the bush tax cuts for the wealthy that added around a trillion to the debt

    5. the bush unemployment problem with the repubs stopping all efforts at job creation as part of their attempt to "MAKE OBAMA A ONE TERM PRESIDENT"

    6. Leftover's from the Iraq war hawks pushing no cuts to the military and more war, this time with Iran.


    Where would we be now under Obama ??? Think about that !! Any way you look at it, Obama is hog tied to the results of Bush's 8 failed years.

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    Aug 05, 2012 4:53 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    Buster57 said


    And is it only in the last 4 years that you've had crap? Did that condition begin the day Obama was inaugurated? I know that's the current Right Wing propaganda, that the Bad Times happened overnight in January, 2009.
    I mean, you're still dragging up the false & discredited conservative lie that "[Obama] had the Senate and Congress his two first years in office and he did nothing but waste our money." (BTW, the Senate is part of the Congress - perhaps you mean the House?)

    The Senate never had more than 58 Democrats, short of the 60 vote supermajority needed to prevent Republican filibusters and other procedural roadblocks. And the 58 was only for 1 month, after Sen. Franken was finally seated following months of Republican lawsuits in Minnesota, followed by Sen. Kennedy's death. For most of Obama's Presidency the number of Democrats has been 57, with 2 unreliable Independents that still doesn't total 60.

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    How come then Bill Clinton and other President's managed to pass budgets and get legislation through?

    It is called compromise.

    In addition your analysis of the Senate leaves out the fact that via reconciliation a simple Majority is needed . What a unique view of our government that unless a President has 60 Senators of his own party he has an excuse for being disengaged.

    Ronald Reagan had a Democratic house and Senate. How did he do it?
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    Aug 05, 2012 5:15 PM GMT
    musclmed said
    Art_Deco said
    Buster57 said


    And is it only in the last 4 years that you've had crap? Did that condition begin the day Obama was inaugurated? I know that's the current Right Wing propaganda, that the Bad Times happened overnight in January, 2009.
    I mean, you're still dragging up the false & discredited conservative lie that "[Obama] had the Senate and Congress his two first years in office and he did nothing but waste our money." (BTW, the Senate is part of the Congress - perhaps you mean the House?)

    The Senate never had more than 58 Democrats, short of the 60 vote supermajority needed to prevent Republican filibusters and other procedural roadblocks. And the 58 was only for 1 month, after Sen. Franken was finally seated following months of Republican lawsuits in Minnesota, followed by Sen. Kennedy's death. For most of Obama's Presidency the number of Democrats has been 57, with 2 unreliable Independents that still doesn't total 60.

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    How come then Bill Clinton and other President's managed to pass budgets and get legislation through?

    It is called compromise.

    In addition your analysis of the Senate leaves out the fact that via reconciliation a simple Majority is needed . What a unique view of our government that unless a President has 60 Senators of his own party he has an excuse for being disengaged.

    Ronald Reagan had a Democratic house and Senate. How did he do it?


    musclemed,

    The Republicans are less willing to compromise with President Obama than the Democrats were with Reagan.

    Tea Party-backed candidates are more reluctant, which is why we had that debt ceiling fiasco last year.