Amway makes no apologies for president Doug DeVos' 'private gift' to anti-gay marriage group

  • metta

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    Aug 03, 2012 11:08 PM GMT
    Amway makes no apologies for president Doug DeVos' 'private gift' to anti-gay marriage group

    "She noted the $500,000 donation that's come under fire was a private gift from the Amway president’s personal foundation – the Doug and Maria DeVos Foundation - to the National Organization for Marriage in 2009."

    http://www.mlive.com/business/west-michigan/index.ssf/2012/08/amway_makes_no_apologies_for_p.html#incart_river_default

    http://www.boycottamway.com/


    http://www.facebook.com/RightsEqualRights

    Petition:

    http://www.change.org/petitions/amway-stop-donating-to-anti-gay-marriage-organizations-like-nom
  • metta

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    Aug 03, 2012 11:15 PM GMT
    Doug DeVos: "Don't keep trying to change things. That's all!"


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    Aug 04, 2012 1:52 AM GMT
    Oh noes. Another reason to not answer the door...
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    Aug 04, 2012 1:55 AM GMT
    Trollileo saidAnd my parents used to be part of that pyramid scheme...
    Look on the bright side; even if they still were, it sure as hell isn't part of their legacy! icon_wink.gif
  • Litmop

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    Aug 04, 2012 2:08 AM GMT
    I have a feeling you are going to see more and more fortune 500 companies like amway do that just for publicity.
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    Aug 04, 2012 3:37 AM GMT
    JackBlair69 saidAmway? Chick-Fila? Give me a fucking break. Their money is like pennies compared to the thousand-dollar bills thrown around by the white Liberal douchebag organizations.


    Fuck you and your pointless, citation-free rightwing rantings.

    Also, name the fucking "leftwing" foundation that donates to causes that deny humans their rights. Go ahead, name them.
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    Aug 04, 2012 3:44 AM GMT
    "It's NOT MLM!" in 3, 2, 1...
  • KissTheSky

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    Aug 04, 2012 4:07 AM GMT
    If they're donating to the gay-bashing National Organization for Marriage, they have something in common with Mitt Romney.
    He gave $10,000 to the same group that fights to make gay Americans second-class citizens, even though we are required to pay the same tax rates as straight people.
  • turtleneckjoc...

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    Aug 04, 2012 4:14 AM GMT
    I suppose here in Orlando, we need to stop attending events at the.....Amway Center.....

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  • metta

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    Aug 04, 2012 4:39 AM GMT
    ^
    He also owns a sports team in florida

    something called the Orlando Magic...what ever that is...oh...it is a basketball team
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Aug 04, 2012 4:40 AM GMT
    metta8 said^
    He also owns a sports team in florida



    Ahhhh, well then maybe we should just boycott Florida too then icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Aug 04, 2012 4:46 AM GMT
    ^
    you should be careful in how often you do that eye roll so often...didn't your mom ever tell you that it could get stuck.... ;)
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    Aug 04, 2012 4:48 AM GMT
    metta8 said^
    you should be careful in how often you do that eye roll so often...didn't your mom ever tell you that it could get stuck.... ;)


    Nope, Mom's being boycotted...she once bought an AMWAY broom. Clearly she hates the gays
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    Aug 04, 2012 4:49 AM GMT
    JackBlair69 saidGet your panties out of a twist - the amount of assets held by Lefty type foundations dwarfs that of anyone else, on the order of 20 to 250 TIMES (depending on the particular issue at a particular point in a given election cycle).

    Averaged out, the "charities" which give to "progressive" causes outspend their right-leaning counterparts by seven to one.

    How can the assets held by foundations be dependent on a "particular issue at a particular point in a given election cycle"? Foundation assets are relatively constant.

    It's interesting that you do not identify progressive causes with right-leaning foundations. Which reinforces my impression that such foundations are non-progressive and reactionary.

    But in any case, I'd like see hard numbers that show the seven-to-one ratio you claim, along with the names of the foundations on each side. You named 5 you contend are left-wing (which may surprise them). The right-leaners must be awfully impoverished to only be spending one-seventh of these 5, or maybe there's only one right wing foundation in the US? Otherwise you need to name them all, because your list above demonstrates nothing.
  • ROYCE13

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    Aug 04, 2012 4:54 AM GMT
    and your point is? why would they, they gave because they supported it, whether we are for it or not, does not mean that others are not going to support anti gay marriage and that is their right, why should they all explain, if they gave then we know how they feel. I see your point, but you should have put on a tag at the end. I think we are all over loaded with no end topics on the issue, more progressive ideas would be welcomed. There are many wealthy gay men who have given to republican causes and other causes that might surprise you. I do not see anybody making an issue of this.
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    Aug 04, 2012 4:56 AM GMT
    This is the Amway Grand Plaza Hotel in Grand Rapids, Michigan.

    The original entrance-
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    The newer 29 story tower added on-
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    The DeVos convention Center-
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    Aug 04, 2012 5:21 AM GMT
    Trollileo saidMy parents probably put close to $10,000 in Amway products when I was younger.


    Awwww, and you're such a sweetheart but, sorry, consider yourself boycotted from now on. We can make no exceptions, and it's probably a certainty that your parents support the killing of Gays in Uganda. icon_wink.gif
  • metta

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    Aug 04, 2012 5:22 AM GMT
    ^
    mine did as well...I have no idea what they were thinking. They never really tried to sell the stuff. We just ended up using the stuff ourselves.
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    Aug 04, 2012 5:42 AM GMT
    lol you think amway is a pyramid scheme? icon_lol.gif . learn the difference between multi level marketing and pyramids.

    and to all the gays in florida, when your favorite artist comes to the amway center to perform I guess you're going to boycott as well right? good luck trying to dodge the amway center.

    this does seem like publicity. they've been around so long and now go public about this. lol
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    Aug 04, 2012 12:40 PM GMT
    Boxer_Red said
    and to all the gays in florida, when your favorite artist comes to the amway center to perform I guess you're going to boycott as well right? good luck trying to dodge the amway center.


    I'm gonna guess they'll survive somehow. Wait til they hit SoFla at least.

    For hoop fans, Doug and his siblings will also be probable heirs to the majority ownership of the Orlando Magic franchise when poppa DeVos croaks (Dick Sr., he's at 86 and counting). (EDIT: I should have read above. Doug doesn't own the Magic... yet... but his Daddy does.)
  • metta

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    Aug 04, 2012 3:48 PM GMT
    If Henry Ford was alive today and pushing his anti-antisemitism, I would be boycotting Ford as well. The goal is not to shut the business down. The point is that I will not knowingly support hate. If a company or its founder that was using his/her position to push for slavery, push to make women property, push to stop inter-racial marriages, fighting marriage equality, push to make any group legally less human than others....I would not support that...and yes...anyone that believes any of those things are bigots.
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    Aug 11, 2012 12:30 AM GMT
    Push to boycott the Magic makes local waves (won't be quite as hard to accomplish after today's trade) with this guy's commentary in the Sentinel:

    http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-08-08/sports/os-george-diaz-magic-gay-marriage-0809-20120808_1_gay-rights-marriage-bans-gay-brothers-and-sisters

    George Diaz...The DeVos family, which owns the Magic, are staunch traditionalists. The Douglas and Maria DeVos Foundation donated $500,000 to the National Organization for Marriage (NOM) in 2009. NOM is on the front lines of the anti-gay marriage movement, leading initiatives on same-sex marriage bans in eight states.

    It became a public issue this week when Fred Karger, president of the LGBT advocacy group, Rights Equal Rights foundation, cited the DeVos Foundation contribution in calling for a boycott of Amway and its affiliates, which includes your Orlando Magic. The team is owned by Rich DeVos, who is an Amway co-founder.

    If it were my money, I wouldn't give a cent to any of those anti-gay groups. They foster hate and intolerance under the guise of "family values."

    "Marriage is about bringing together men and women so children can have mothers and fathers," is one of the statements on the NOM website.

    I wish people wouldn't get so bent out of shape trying to tell others whom they can sleep with at night. It's none of our business. Gay people aren't lepers. They are our brothers and sisters, aunts and uncles, friends and acquaintances. Many of them did not "choose" to live this way, contrary to some of the spiteful rhetoric.

    Homosexual teens are five times more likely than their heterosexual counterparts to attempt suicide, according to a study published in the journal Pediatrics online last year. There is enough conflicted self-loathing going on without anybody else piling on.

    But then again, it's not my money. The DeVos family can dole out its fistful of dollars in whatever way it sees fit. And you, as the paying customer, can make a decision whether those actions warrant boycotting basketball games.

    The moral lines in the sand are very clear. Now you get to decide whether to stay home and support your gay brothers and sisters, or go to downtown Orlando and support a team that's going to have a rough go of it already since Mr. Howard has the movers on speed-dial.

    You could argue that a Magic fan boycott already is in play. It's called "Dwight Howard is leaving."

    It's important to note that Rich DeVos isn't some carpetbagger from Michigan. Under his stewardship, the Orlando Magic Youth Foundation and the McCormick Foundation has raised more than $17 million during the past 22 years for local nonprofit community organizations. That money has been used to empower youths in Central Florida through literacy, health and wellness, arts and other programs...

    I do think rather silly that America is choosing to stage its morality wars in fast-food chicken joints and over-priced coffee establishments. There are more powerful ways to raise your voice other than to frequent Chick-fil-A, Starbucks or Orlando Magic basketball games.

    Advocacy shouldn't be focused on food, beverage or basketball choices. Your moral compass should be set on greater things with more impact.

    Regardless, the call for a boycott of Magic games is very much in play this season. And you, the paying customer, just like the DeVos family, can make whatever choices you see fit to use your disposable income.

    Let the morality games begin.
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    Aug 11, 2012 1:11 AM GMT
    dayumm saidPush to boycott the Magic makes local waves (won't be quite as hard to accomplish after today's trade) with this guy's commentary in the Sentinel:

    http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-08-08/sports/os-george-diaz-magic-gay-marriage-0809-20120808_1_gay-rights-marriage-bans-gay-brothers-and-sisters

    George Diaz...The DeVos family, which owns the Magic, are staunch traditionalists. The Douglas and Maria DeVos Foundation donated $500,000 to the National Organization for Marriage (NOM) in 2009. NOM is on the front lines of the anti-gay marriage movement, leading initiatives on same-sex marriage bans in eight states.

    It became a public issue this week when Fred Karger, president of the LGBT advocacy group, Rights Equal Rights foundation, cited the DeVos Foundation contribution in calling for a boycott of Amway and its affiliates, which includes your Orlando Magic. The team is owned by Rich DeVos, who is an Amway co-founder.

    If it were my money, I wouldn't give a cent to any of those anti-gay groups. They foster hate and intolerance under the guise of "family values."

    "Marriage is about bringing together men and women so children can have mothers and fathers," is one of the statements on the NOM website.

    I wish people wouldn't get so bent out of shape trying to tell others whom they can sleep with at night. It's none of our business. Gay people aren't lepers. They are our brothers and sisters, aunts and uncles, friends and acquaintances. Many of them did not "choose" to live this way, contrary to some of the spiteful rhetoric.

    Homosexual teens are five times more likely than their heterosexual counterparts to attempt suicide, according to a study published in the journal Pediatrics online last year. There is enough conflicted self-loathing going on without anybody else piling on.

    But then again, it's not my money. The DeVos family can dole out its fistful of dollars in whatever way it sees fit. And you, as the paying customer, can make a decision whether those actions warrant boycotting basketball games.

    The moral lines in the sand are very clear. Now you get to decide whether to stay home and support your gay brothers and sisters, or go to downtown Orlando and support a team that's going to have a rough go of it already since Mr. Howard has the movers on speed-dial.

    You could argue that a Magic fan boycott already is in play. It's called "Dwight Howard is leaving."

    It's important to note that Rich DeVos isn't some carpetbagger from Michigan. Under his stewardship, the Orlando Magic Youth Foundation and the McCormick Foundation has raised more than $17 million during the past 22 years for local nonprofit community organizations. That money has been used to empower youths in Central Florida through literacy, health and wellness, arts and other programs...

    I do think rather silly that America is choosing to stage its morality wars in fast-food chicken joints and over-priced coffee establishments. There are more powerful ways to raise your voice other than to frequent Chick-fil-A, Starbucks or Orlando Magic basketball games.

    Advocacy shouldn't be focused on food, beverage or basketball choices. Your moral compass should be set on greater things with more impact.

    Regardless, the call for a boycott of Magic games is very much in play this season. And you, the paying customer, just like the DeVos family, can make whatever choices you see fit to use your disposable income.

    Let the morality games begin.


    So many things here for this Orlando resident to comment on....

    First off, George Diaz is one of the best writers/reporters/commentators the Orlando Sentinel has, or will have from this point going forward. He has been with the paper for some time and while print media is a dying art (the Sentinel is rumored to be shut down sometime in the future, leaving us with only an on-line edition), George continues to crank out thoughtful and spot-on pieces of journalism. This isn't the first time he has come to the defense of the gay community, whether here in Orlando or nationwide. You can count on George Diaz being our friend.

    The boycott of future Orlando Magic home games did effectively begin today (8/10/12) as they traded Dwight "Superman" Howard to the Lakers in a complicated deal involving us, the Lakers, the 76ers and Nuggets. In return, we get draft picks from the teams involved and a couple of guys that probably rode the bench a lot in Philadelphia. I provided a pic above of our really nice Amway Center and you can count on that joint being pretty empty this upcoming basketball season. In my circle of gay Orlando friends, I know of only one guy who goes to the games and he's a season ticket holder. For how much longer is anyone's guess. I'm sure there are gay men and women who frequent the games, however, I only know of the one guy.

    We have known for years here the DeVos family has supported right-wing issues and candidates for public office. The DeVos family is somewhat large and not everyone lives in Orlando. Many, including Magic owner Rich DeVos, live in Grand Rapids, Michigan. Rich DeVos does not travel much to Orlando anymore due to health issues (he had a heart transplant not long ago). I will say this though and because I live in Orlando (have for 30 plus years), the DeVos family does support causes that I believe in as well. As George Diaz pointed out above, OMYF (Orlando Magic Youth Foundation) has done a lot to educated young kids and teens of all races and backgrounds the dangers of drugs and gang violence while providing assistance in literacy programs. Not many people knew that the family kicked in nearly a half million dollars for the revitalization of the Callahan neighborhood, which was a decaying area not far from where the new arena sits. That too was a private gift and while I don't like the fact they funneled monies to NOM, they have donated locally to organizations I support and to causes I feel strongly about. Sure they have pissed off the gay community and it's on a somewhat national and international stage, however, they have been huge supporters of good and justified causes in the Orlando area.

    Their politics stinks. They stink for giving to NOM. They don't like change, but this sounds like it's coming from the Michigan DeVos clan, not those that live in Orlando.

    One more thing....Doug DeVos is the President of Amway and will likely stay in that capacity. Amway is not the Orlando Magic any more than the Orlando Magic sells Amway laundry detergent. More than likely, the guidance of the Magic will fall to Dan DeVos, who owns the Grand Rapids Griffins, a minor league hockey team.
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    Aug 13, 2012 8:01 AM GMT

    You Can Give, But You Can't Hide -- The Amway Boycott

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/fred-karger/you-can-give-but-you-cant_b_1758607.html


    Wow..they own a lot of companies:

    Amway - Family of Brands
    Atmosphere
    Artistry Skin Care Products
    Beauty Products Sold Through Amway
    Fragrances
    iCook
    Jewelry and Apparel
    Laura Mercier®
    Legacy of Clean Home Care Products
    Nutrilite Health Products
    RéVive
    Ribbon
    Water Systems Sold Through Amway
    XS Food and Beverage Division
    Real Estate
    DP Fox Ventures, LLC, a diversified management company with interests in real estate, transportation, and sports and entertainment
    Access Business Group LLC
    Alticor Corporate Enterprises
    Interleukin Genetics
    Gurwitch Products
    Metagenics
    Hospitality & Fitness
    MVP Sports Clubs in Michigan and Florida
    Amway Hotel Corporation
    Amway Grand Plaza Hotel
    JW Marriott Grand Rapids
    Courtyard by Marriott Downtown Grand Rapids
    Peter Island Resorts
    RDV Sportsplex
    Professional Sports
    Orlando Magic - National Basketball Association (NBA) Orlando, FL
    Grand Rapids Griffins - American Hockey League (AHL) Grand Rapids, MI
    Fox Automotive Group
    Delta Imports - Porsche, Audi and Subaru, Grand Rapids, MI
    Fox Acura - Grand Rapids, MI
    Fox Buick GMC - Comstock Park, MI
    Fox Ford Mazda - Grand Rapids, MI
    Fox Honda - Grand Rapids, MI
    Fox Hyundai Kia - Grand Rapids, MI
    Fox Nissan - Grand Rapids, MI
    Fox Saab - Grand Rapids, MI
    Fox Powersports of Kentwood - Aprilia, Arctic Cat, Piaggio, Qlink, Vespa,
    Genuine Scooter, MotoGuzzi, Yamaha, Grand Rapids, MI
    Fox Shawmut Hills - Can-Am, Sea-Doo, Ski-Doo, Suzuki, Yamaha,
    Honda Powersports, Honda Power Equipment, Kawasaki, Grand Rapids, MI
    Grand Rapids Harley-Davidson - Hudsonville, MI
    Fox Collision Center - Grand Rapids, MI
    Quick Lane Tire & Auto Center - Kentwood, MI
    Fox Ford Lincoln of Cadillac - Cadillac, MI
    Fox Toyota of Cadillac - Toyota, Scion, Cadillac, MI
    Fox Grand Traverse - Ford, Lincoln, BMW, Mazda, Traverse City, MI
    Mercedes-Benz of Traverse City - Traverse City, MI
    Fox Collision Center - Traverse City, MI
    Fox Charlevoix - Buick, Cadillac, Chrysler , Dodge , Jeep, RAM, Gem, Charlevoix, MI
    Fox Charlevoix Ford - Ford, Lincoln, Charlevoix, MI
    Fox Collision Center, Charlevoix, MI
    Fox Negaunee GM - Chevrolet, Buick, GMC, Negaunee, MI
    Fox Negaunee Chrysler - Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep, Ram, Negaunee, MI
    Fox Collision Center - Negaunee, MI
    Fox Marquette - Ford, Lincoln, Marquette, MI
  • metta

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    Aug 13, 2012 8:04 AM GMT
    this one is really easy for me. I have never purchased anything from any of these companies.