Democrats sue Ohio voting law versus 15 veterans groups. Democrats have Swift Boated themselves big time.

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    Aug 03, 2012 11:12 PM GMT
    Previous reports inaccurately stated the Democrats were suing to prevent early voting by the military. They are not specifically trying to block military members from getting to the polls, but arguing that since the polls will be open anyway, everyone else should have access to them as well.  http://hotair.com/archives/2012/08/03/obama-democrats-suing-to-block-military-voting-in-ohio/

    The response by many in the military is there would be a logistical difficulty doing that and the result would be to eliminate early voting for all, and effectively disenfranchise military voters who have unique challenges in voting. As a result, fifteen military groups are opposing the Obama lawsuit. See the article below.

    The military groups and others believe the real purpose of the Obama team is just that because Ohio is a crucial state and military voters will go overwhelmingly against Obama.

    Either the Obama team is stupid or desperate or both, because regardless of the outcome of the suit, they have opened the door to a flood of videos we will see in September and October. Theses videos will not be limited to Ohio but will cover swing states and all middle America. It will be billed as Obama against the service members out of fear of losing the election. Expect to see many service members, including some disabled, who will describe how Obama's team wanted to make it harder for them to vote. An absolute disaster for the Obama team. They have Swift Boated themselves.

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    Reported by AP, appearing in Navy Times
    Military groups oppose Obama campaign lawsuit
    http://www.navytimes.com/news/2012/08/ap-military-groups-oppose-obama-suit-ohio-080212/

    COLUMBUS, Ohio — Fifteen military groups are opposing a federal lawsuit in Ohio brought by President Obama’s campaign because they say it could threaten voter protections afforded to service members, such as the extended time they have to cast a ballot.

    Obama’s campaign and Democrats filed the lawsuit last month against Ohio’s top elections official in a dispute over the battleground state’s law that restricts early, in-person voting during the final three days before Election Day.

    The campaign, the Democratic National Committee and the Ohio Democratic Party contend the law unfairly ends in-person voting for most Ohioans three days earlier than it does for military and overseas voters.

    Attorneys for the Democrats argue such “disparate” treatment is unconstitutional, and all voters should be able to vote on those days.

    AMVETS, the National Guard Association of the United States, the Association of the U.S. Army and other organizations asked a judge late Wednesday to dismiss the lawsuit.

    The military groups say federal and state law recognizes that service members need extra time to cast their ballots. They say they fear the precedent that could be set if a court finds that military voters shouldn’t be treated differently than other voters.

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    Aug 04, 2012 12:16 AM GMT
    Maybe Republicans should stop trying to suppress voters and then this wouldn't be a problem. Otherwise, I can see no reason why service members not in active combat need preferential treatment than other citizens.
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    Aug 04, 2012 12:50 AM GMT
    Christian73 saidMaybe Republicans should stop trying to suppress voters and then this wouldn't be a problem. Otherwise, I can see no reason why service members not in active combat need preferential treatment than other citizens.

    Having been in service, even stateside you may face special obstacles in getting your absentee ballot prepared, or getting to the polls if you vote in the same State as you are assigned. I was often in the field or on extended TDY (temporary duty) where I didn't have regular access to my mail, and/or was out of state.

    But I believe the issue here is that Ohio Republicans have restricted early voting for civilians only, but not for the military. Democrats want ALL citizens to be able to vote early, as they did previously before Republicans changed the rules to disenfranchise voter groups assumed to be favorable to Democrats. This Republican pattern is being seen all over the US.

    The military groups are concerned that the court may rule to make all voting the same, thereby possibly shortening the time for the military, rather than making it equally early for all, which is what Democrats actually want. Needless to say, socalfitness' depiction of the issue is typically distorted and biased, sort of our RJ version of a Fox News commentator.

    "Obama for America’s lawsuit comes after a series of election law changes cleared the state’s Republican-controlled Legislature and Republican Gov. John Kasich signed them.

    Before the changes, local boards of election had the discretion to set their own early, in-person voting hours on the days before the election. People were allowed up until Monday before the Tuesday election to vote in person. Weekend voting varied among the state’s 88 counties.

    With the changes, most Ohioans now have until the Friday evening before the Tuesday election to cast a ballot in person. But military voters can continue to vote in person until Monday.

    Democrats contend the legislative changes to the in-person, early-voting deadlines resulted in “arbitrary and inequitable” treatment of similarly situated voters.
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    Aug 05, 2012 7:42 PM GMT
    Christian73 saidMaybe Republicans should stop trying to suppress voters and then this wouldn't be a problem. Otherwise, I can see no reason why service members not in active combat need preferential treatment than other citizens.

    You may not see any reason, but groups representing our veterans see things differently. Just to repeat:

    Either the Obama team is stupid or desperate or both, because regardless of the outcome of the suit, they have opened the door to a flood of videos we will see in September and October. Theses videos will not be limited to Ohio but will cover swing states and all middle America. It will be billed as Obama against the service members out of fear of losing the election. Expect to see many service members, including some disabled, who will describe how Obama's team wanted to make it harder for them to vote. An absolute disaster for the Obama team. They have Swift Boated themselves.
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    Aug 07, 2012 12:26 AM GMT
    Obama angers military groups with lawsuit against Ohio early voting law

    http://washingtonexaminer.com/obama-angers-military-groups-with-lawsuit-against-ohio-early-voting-law/article/2504015

    Fifteen Ohio military groups have gone to court to oppose an “offensive” lawsuit filed by President Obama’s campaign that challenges a law allowing military members to vote on days when the rest of the state cannot.

    “The Obama campaign’s and Democratic National Committee’s argument that it is arbitrary and unconstitutional to afford special consideration, flexibility, and accommodations to military voters to make it easier for them to vote in person is not only offensive, but flatly wrong as a matter of law,” the military groups — which include the Marine Corps League, the Association of the U.S. Army, and the Association of the U.S. Navy — argued in their filing.

    Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney also attacked Obama over the issue. “President Obama’s lawsuit claiming it is unconstitutional for Ohio to allow servicemen and women extended early voting privileges during the state’s early voting period is an outrage,” Romney said in a statement today.

    Ohio’s current early voting law allows only members of the military to go to the polls during the three days before the elections. The early voting period for the rest of the citizenry ends on the Friday before the election.

    The Obama campaign told an Ohio federal judge that the law produces “arbitrary and inequitable treatment of similarly situated Ohio voters with respect to in-person early voting.” The campaign asked the court to block the law, “thereby
    restoring in-person early voting on the three days immediately preceding Election Day for all eligible Ohio voters,” according to the filing.

    “This lawsuit, at bottom, seeks to treat all Ohio citizens equally under the law,” Donald McTigue, general counsel for the Obama campaign in Ohio, told Bloomberg News in July.

    The Obama campaign is not requesting that the court limit the opportunities of military members to vote, but that might be the effect of their lawsuit if it succeeds. Secretary of State Jon Husted said that the old law did not create consistent early voting rights across the state, because most local jurisdictions decided to close for the weekend.

    “I didn’t see a lawsuit occur when six counties had weekend voting and extended hours and 82 of them didn’t,” Husted told The Associated Press. “I’m sympathetic to the idea that we should have consistency, because that’s exactly what we’ve been doing on a number of fronts.”

    The Obama campaign estimates that 93,000 people took advantage of the weekend early voting in 2008.
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    Aug 07, 2012 12:26 AM GMT
    Axelrod: Military Voters Should Get Special Consideration In Voting
    (Gives voice to campaign walk-back.)

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/zekejmiller/axelrod-military-voters-should-get-special-consid



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    Aug 07, 2012 12:53 AM GMT
    riddler78 saidAxelrod: Military Voters Should Get Special Consideration In Voting
    (Gives voice to campaign walk-back.)

    Not only are they incompetent, but they continue their lying ways. They can try and walk back whatever they want but there are 15 veterans groups challenging the Democratic suit. As I mentioned above, expect to see plenty of videos of service members outraged at the Democrats, and it will play not just in Ohio but all swing states at a minimum. They have shot themselves in the foot, Swift Boated themselves big time, and it couldn't have happened to a nicer group of Chicago thugs.
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    Aug 07, 2012 12:58 AM GMT
    GORDONLEE(aka socal) and riddler, you'll want to read this:

    Military Voters and the Lie Pipeline

    By David Weigel | Posted Monday, Aug. 6, 2012, at 9:42 AM ET

    It's a story we can re-run every week or so. The conservative media runs with a story. The Romney campaign gauges whether it's getting pick-up. The Romney campaign gloms on to the story -- which turns it into a "one side says, the other side says" tale. As Breitbart.com's Mike Flynn points out, he was first to hone in on the part of the Obama campaign's lawsuit that argued extended voting rights were unfair if applied to military members and no one else. And the folks at Media Matters have been clipping various Fox News segments that make the same argument -- gliding past the Obama campaign's desire to extend voting days for other people, not restricting voting days for military members. This Fox and Friends segment with Pete Hegseth is pretty typical.

    VISIT SLATE.COM for Dave Weigel's post on the BIG FOX LIE.

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    I know you boys want the TRUTH.......SO CHECK THIS OUT.

    Will you be offended when you find that FOX has lied to you ....once again?
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    Aug 07, 2012 1:04 AM GMT
    Balancing saidGORDONLEE(aka socal) and riddler, you'll want to read this:

    Military Voters and the Lie Pipeline

    By David Weigel | Posted Monday, Aug. 6, 2012, at 9:42 AM ET

    It's a story we can re-run every week or so. The conservative media runs with a story. The Romney campaign gauges whether it's getting pick-up. The Romney campaign gloms on to the story -- which turns it into a "one side says, the other side says" tale. As Breitbart.com's Mike Flynn points out, he was first to hone in on the part of the Obama campaign's lawsuit that argued extended voting rights were unfair if applied to military members and no one else. And the folks at Media Matters have been clipping various Fox News segments that make the same argument -- gliding past the Obama campaign's desire to extend voting days for other people, not restricting voting days for military members. This Fox and Friends segment with Pete Hegseth is pretty typical.

    VISIT SLATE.COM for Dave Weigel's post on the BIG FOX LIE.

    GREAT VIDEO TOO.

    I know you boys want the TRUTH.......SO CHECK THIS OUT.

    Will you be offended when you find that FOX has lied to you ....once again?

    First of all, I wasn't GordonLee. Why would I need a soft spoken sock when I am more blunt with my account. But we all know who you are.....

    If you look at the OP, you will see my link and info did not come from Fox. In fact I made the comment in the OP that there were inaccurate reports. You know better. That is beneath the caliber of your accounts. [Don't bother emailing. We will spill the beans on you if and when we choose.]
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    Aug 07, 2012 1:13 AM GMT
    Obama is saying ALL citizens should have the extended voting period, INCLUDING the military. What is there to object to?
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    Aug 07, 2012 1:18 AM GMT
    You'll note that socalfitness doesn't respond to my post above. He can't. It refutes his false story. So he continues to repeat his Fox News lies.

    What is more interesting to me is that socalfitness is incapable of discussing in depth the stories he links. Which means he doesn't understand them. He's just a vehicle to this site for this Right Wing propaganda he posts.

    But watch and judge for yourselves. Some guys actually respond and discuss, while others just post Right Wing links, and quote from them. Decide for yourselves which category socalfitness fits into.
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    Aug 07, 2012 1:19 AM GMT
    socalfitness said
    Balancing saidGORDONLEE(aka socal) and riddler, you'll want to read this:

    Military Voters and the Lie Pipeline

    By David Weigel | Posted Monday, Aug. 6, 2012, at 9:42 AM ET

    It's a story we can re-run every week or so. The conservative media runs with a story. The Romney campaign gauges whether it's getting pick-up. The Romney campaign gloms on to the story -- which turns it into a "one side says, the other side says" tale. As Breitbart.com's Mike Flynn points out, he was first to hone in on the part of the Obama campaign's lawsuit that argued extended voting rights were unfair if applied to military members and no one else. And the folks at Media Matters have been clipping various Fox News segments that make the same argument -- gliding past the Obama campaign's desire to extend voting days for other people, not restricting voting days for military members. This Fox and Friends segment with Pete Hegseth is pretty typical.

    VISIT SLATE.COM for Dave Weigel's post on the BIG FOX LIE.

    GREAT VIDEO TOO.

    I know you boys want the TRUTH.......SO CHECK THIS OUT.

    Will you be offended when you find that FOX has lied to you ....once again?

    First of all, I wasn't GordonLee. Why would I need a soft spoken sock when I am more blunt with my account. But we all know who you are.....

    If you look at the OP, you will see my link and info did not come from Fox. In fact I made the comment in the OP that there were inaccurate reports. You know better. That is beneath the caliber of your accounts. [Don't bother emailing. We will spill the beans on you if and when we choose.]


    GORDONLEE(socal too) Why you wanted a "soft spoken sock" I won't guess.

    As for you calling me a sock----and having riddler echo this, WHY WON'T RIDDLER ACCEPT MY CHALLENGE TO CAM?

    OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO CAM?

    Ask riddler about his private messages to me also. To say the least they are EVASIVE.
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    Aug 07, 2012 1:27 AM GMT
    Art_Deco saidYou'll note that socalfitness doesn't respond to my post above. He can't. It refutes his false story. So he continues to repeat his Fox News lies.

    What is more interesting to me is that socalfitness is incapable of discussing in depth the stories he links. Which means he doesn't understand them. He's just a vehicle to this site for this Right Wing propaganda he posts.

    But watch and judge for yourselves. Some guys actually respond and discuss, while others just post Right Wing links. Decide for yourselves which category socalfitness fits into.

    You happen to be a total fool. What you wrote above in blue did not conflict with what I wrote, so I saw no need to respond. Maybe that went over your head. I accurately stated what the Democrats were suing for, stated there were inaccurate stories, provided a link to hotair which analyzed and discredited some of the inaccurate stories, provided a link to Navy Times which described the veterans groups oppositions, and provided my own assessment on the impact on the election. The fact that Axlerod is trying to walk back their position or cover their tracks gives credence that my assessment is ringing true.

    So what part of what I wrote specifically is false? I doubt you can be specific here because you do what you always do and that is shoot from the hip, make broad generalizations, and hope enough of the lackeys here will cover for you.

    Let's face it. The Obama Campaign Team is desperate and fucked up big time and you guys can't stand me saying so because all the news you watch is BS left wing opinion.

    So the story is 15 veterans groups opposing the Obama Campaign Team. Don't blame me; I'm just not sugar coating it.
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    Aug 07, 2012 1:36 AM GMT
    GORDONLEE,

    I know you meant to mention this BUZZFEED article as well------since you are using BuzzFeed as your source:


    Military Groups' Argument About Obama Voting Lawsuit “Extremely Misleading,” Prof Says

    “The idea that service members are fuller citizens than the rest of America is a disaster for military professionalism,” writes Mazur. A response to Captain Wright. READ MORE ›


    Maybe you missed that "EXTREMELY MISLEADING" conclusion about the validity of your story.

    I know you'll correct any unintended misinformation.
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    Aug 07, 2012 1:36 AM GMT
    socalfitness said
    Balancing saidGORDONLEE(aka socal) and riddler, you'll want to read this:

    Military Voters and the Lie Pipeline

    By David Weigel | Posted Monday, Aug. 6, 2012, at 9:42 AM ET

    It's a story we can re-run every week or so. The conservative media runs with a story. The Romney campaign gauges whether it's getting pick-up. The Romney campaign gloms on to the story -- which turns it into a "one side says, the other side says" tale. As Breitbart.com's Mike Flynn points out, he was first to hone in on the part of the Obama campaign's lawsuit that argued extended voting rights were unfair if applied to military members and no one else. And the folks at Media Matters have been clipping various Fox News segments that make the same argument -- gliding past the Obama campaign's desire to extend voting days for other people, not restricting voting days for military members. This Fox and Friends segment with Pete Hegseth is pretty typical.

    VISIT SLATE.COM for Dave Weigel's post on the BIG FOX LIE.

    GREAT VIDEO TOO.

    I know you boys want the TRUTH.......SO CHECK THIS OUT.

    Will you be offended when you find that FOX has lied to you ....once again?

    First of all, I wasn't GordonLee. Why would I need a soft spoken sock when I am more blunt with my account. But we all know who you are.....

    If you look at the OP, you will see my link and info did not come from Fox. In fact I made the comment in the OP that there were inaccurate reports. You know better. That is beneath the caliber of your accounts. [Don't bother emailing. We will spill the beans on you if and when we choose.]


    fuck you guys are childish with your socks and reporting each other.
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    Aug 07, 2012 9:44 AM GMT
    friendlyjock01 saidThis is pretty funny - you liberals are all mixed up - you think GordonLee is Socal, you think everybody else is Southbeach, someone thinks southbeach is really jockfever .... Dizzy liberals! icon_razz.gif

    Got that right. I think this topic really rattles them, but more and more will in coming weeks. So one of the socks points to a professor who says military isn't special and doesn't need more time to vote. Would be a blow to professionalism or some similar BS. Team Obama has already said everyone deserves the same accommodation as military. Can't wait for the videos in a few weeks. Focus groups will determine if using disabled vets might be going too far being exploitive, but just imagine: Some liberal, the professor supporting Obama or an Obama campaign official saying the military isn't special and doesn't need special treatment, then the video fades to a disabled vet in a wheel chair with no legs and one arm saying how he appreciated the extra accommodation and feels insulted by the attempt to take away that convenience just because they feared vets might not vote for Obama. Powerful.
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    Aug 07, 2012 1:30 PM GMT
    socalfitness saidPrevious reports inaccurately stated the Democrats were suing to prevent early voting by the military. They are not specifically trying to block military members from getting to the polls, but arguing that since the polls will be open anyway, everyone else should have access to them as well. 
    Sucks having to 'revise' your utterances and 'glee' huh?
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    Aug 07, 2012 1:33 PM GMT
    socalfitness said Some liberal, the professor supporting Obama or an Obama campaign official saying the military isn't special and doesn't need special treatment, then the video fades to a disabled vet in a wheel chair with no legs and one arm saying how he appreciated the extra accommodation and feels insulted by the attempt to take away that convenience just because they feared vets might not vote for Obama. Powerful.
    And then the GOP decides early voting in FLA is curtailed.. hmmmm

    Powerful huh? Oh and I'm a disabled Vet.

    Care to respond John? Or ya gonna be a pussy about it?
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    Aug 07, 2012 1:42 PM GMT

    So why was the Ohio voting window reduced for non military people in the first place?

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    Aug 07, 2012 1:47 PM GMT
    Balancing saidAs for you calling me a sock----and having riddler echo this, WHY WON'T RIDDLER ACCEPT MY CHALLENGE TO CAM?

    OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO CAM?

    Ask riddler about his private messages to me also. To say the least they are EVASIVE.


    This is what I said to you which was quite direct - and again you lie because there really was only one message to you. I'm not sure why you would consider it to be evasive:

    ---- FROM riddler78 Aug 06, 2012 at 8:41 PM
    I don't care whether or not you're real as I noted and will continue to note. I'm not the one who accuses others of having sock puppet accounts. You can IM me if you'd like though. I am indifferent.
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    Aug 07, 2012 2:00 PM GMT
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    So why was the Ohio voting window reduced for non military people in the first place?

    My understanding is there were logistical difficulties in having a separate window right up to election day, which motivated the changes. But a special accommodation was maintained for military. We will see details in the legal process, but the opposition of 15 veterans groups against the Democrats and the upcoming ads will highlight this more.
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    Aug 07, 2012 2:15 PM GMT
    riddler78 said
    Balancing saidAs for you calling me a sock----and having riddler echo this, WHY WON'T RIDDLER ACCEPT MY CHALLENGE TO CAM?

    OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO CAM?

    Ask riddler about his private messages to me also. To say the least they are EVASIVE.


    This is what I said to you which was quite direct - and again you lie because there really was only one message to you. I'm not sure why you would consider it to be evasive:

    ---- FROM riddler78 Aug 06, 2012 at 8:41 PM
    I don't care whether or not you're real as I noted and will continue to note. I'm not the one who accuses others of having sock puppet accounts. You can IM me if you'd like though. I am indifferent.


    riddler, Would you like to share your IMs as well.

    Regardless of your identity, WHAT ARE YOUR GOALS HERE?

    You post incessantly......and with a determination to deceive. IMHO.
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    Aug 07, 2012 2:25 PM GMT
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    friendlyjock01 saidThis is pretty funny - you liberals are all mixed up - you think GordonLee is Socal, you think everybody else is Southbeach, someone thinks southbeach is really jockfever .... Dizzy liberals! icon_razz.gif

    Got that right. I think this topic really rattles them, but more and more will in coming weeks. So one of the socks points to a professor who says military isn't special and doesn't need more time to vote. Would be a blow to professionalism or some similar BS. Team Obama has already said everyone deserves the same accommodation as military. Can't wait for the videos in a few weeks. Focus groups will determine if using disabled vets might be going too far being exploitive, but just imagine: Some liberal, the professor supporting Obama or an Obama campaign official saying the military isn't special and doesn't need special treatment, then the video fades to a disabled vet in a wheel chair with no legs and one arm saying how he appreciated the extra accommodation and feels insulted by the attempt to take away that convenience just because they feared vets might not vote for Obama. Powerful.


    " Can't wait for the videos in a few weeks. Focus groups will determine if using disabled vets might be going too far being exploitive, but just imagine: "

    SO, THE POINT IS SIMPLY TO DECEIVE. DISGUSTING.

    The insanity of you Amateur Karl Roves is that you are so desperate to defeat Obama............you have stopped seeing what most conservatives know: ROMNEY WILL BE A DISASTER: There is no such thing as a Leader Without Convictions.

    NO ONE WILL TRUST ROMNEY. NOT our allies. NOT even you guys who will now say ANY LIE to get him elected.
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    Aug 07, 2012 2:38 PM GMT
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    meninlove said
    So why was the Ohio voting window reduced for non military people in the first place?

    My understanding is there were logistical difficulties in having a separate window right up to election day, which motivated the changes.

    I can't believe you actually posted that crap. There haven't been "logistical difficulties" ever before with early voting, when technology wasn't as advanced as it is today.

    It's an obvious Republican ploy to disenfranchise minority voters, who are assumed to vote heavily for Democrats. Republicans are turning Election 2012 into the kind of farce we see in Third World countries. I really think we've reached the point when US elections should be overseen by UN observers.
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    Aug 07, 2012 2:43 PM GMT
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    Balancing saidAs for you calling me a sock----and having riddler echo this, WHY WON'T RIDDLER ACCEPT MY CHALLENGE TO CAM?

    OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO CAM?

    Ask riddler about his private messages to me also. To say the least they are EVASIVE.


    This is what I said to you which was quite direct - and again you lie because there really was only one message to you. I'm not sure why you would consider it to be evasive:

    ---- FROM riddler78 Aug 06, 2012 at 8:41 PM
    I don't care whether or not you're real as I noted and will continue to note. I'm not the one who accuses others of having sock puppet accounts. You can IM me if you'd like though. I am indifferent.


    riddler, Would you like to share your IMs as well.

    Regardless of your identity, WHAT ARE YOUR GOALS HERE?

    You post incessantly......and with a determination to deceive. IMHO.


    What IMs would they be? I have not IM'd with you. Ok so you get caught in a exaggeration at best, lie at worst and then you accuse *me* of a "determination to deceive". You're an idiot.