MotherJones: Democrats Nominate Anti-Gay Conspiracy Theorist for Senate

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    Aug 04, 2012 1:23 PM GMT
    http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/08/mark-clayton-tennessee-democrats-senate

    Mark Clayton believes the federal government is building a massive, four-football-field wide superhighway from Mexico City to Toronto as part of a secret plot to establish a new North American Union that will bring an end to America as we know it. On Thursday, he became the Tennessee Democrats' nominee for US Senate.

    Clayton, an anti-gay-marriage activist and flooring installer with a penchant for fringe conspiracy theories, finished on top of a crowded primary field in the race to take on GOP Sen. Bob Corker this fall. He earned 26 percent of the vote despite raising no money and listing the wrong opponent on his campaign website. The site still reads, "DEDICATED TO THE DEFEAT OF NEO-CONSERVATIVE LAMAR ALEXANDER," whom Clayton tried to challenge in 2008. (That year, he didn't earn the Democratic nomination.)

    On his issues page, Clayton sounds more like a member of the John Birch Society than a rank-and-file Democrat. He says he's against national ID cards, the North American Union, and the "NAFTA superhighway," a nonexistent proposal that's become a rallying cry in the far-right fever swamps. Elsewhere, he warns of an encroaching "godless new world order" and suggests that Americans who speak out against government policies could some day be placed in "a bone-crushing prison camp similar to the one Alexander Solzhenitsyn was sent or to one of FEMA's prison camps." (There are no FEMA prison camps.)
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    Yesterday, the Tennessee Democrat Party officially disavowed Mr. Clayton, stating that neither the party nor any of its members will support him.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-rt-us-usa-politics-tenneseebre87302y-20120803,0,2683507.story

    "We're just recommending that people write in a candidate, a local political figure they admire," said Braisted. "The situation is fluid. There could be a more serious write-in candidate people can get behind."
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    Aug 04, 2012 3:47 PM GMT
    The first paragraph of the story riddler omitted:

    "Update, 2:55 p.m.: Via the Tennessean, the Tennessee Democratic party has condemned Clayton, saying in a statement that he is "associated with a known hate group" (a reference to Public Advocate of the United States), and blaming his victory on the fact that his name appeared first on the ballot."
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    Aug 04, 2012 3:49 PM GMT
    Iceblink saidThe first paragraph of the story riddler omitted:

    "Update, 2:55 p.m.: Via the Tennessean, the Tennessee Democratic party has condemned Clayton, saying in a statement that he is "associated with a known hate group" (a reference to Public Advocate of the United States), and blaming his victory on the fact that his name appeared first on the ballot."


    Um not omitted - it was an update - but that being said, so are Democrats so stupid as just to pick the first person on the ballot to nominate for Senate?
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    Aug 04, 2012 4:06 PM GMT
    riddler78 said
    Iceblink saidThe first paragraph of the story riddler omitted:

    "Update, 2:55 p.m.: Via the Tennessean, the Tennessee Democratic party has condemned Clayton, saying in a statement that he is "associated with a known hate group" (a reference to Public Advocate of the United States), and blaming his victory on the fact that his name appeared first on the ballot."


    Um not omitted - it was an update - but that being said, so are Democrats so stupid as just to pick the first person on the ballot to nominate for Senate?


    Riddler,

    You posted the excerpt on August 4th, 2012 @ 9:23 AM EST. That is when this thread was created.

    The update is from August 3rd, 2012 @ 2:55 PM PDT.

    Who do you think you're fooling?
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    Aug 04, 2012 4:20 PM GMT
    riddler78 said
    Iceblink saidThe first paragraph of the story riddler omitted:

    "Update, 2:55 p.m.: Via the Tennessean, the Tennessee Democratic party has condemned Clayton, saying in a statement that he is "associated with a known hate group" (a reference to Public Advocate of the United States), and blaming his victory on the fact that his name appeared first on the ballot."


    Um not omitted - it was an update - but that being said, so are Democrats so stupid as just to pick the first person on the ballot to nominate for Senate?

    I guess they were. There was no candidate really promoted by Democrats to take on Bob Corker and so they just voted for the first one on the list. They should should have done some research on the candidates before voting. The only candidate that had any press was former sitcom actress Park Overall, who did not begin her campaign until April and then withdrew for part of the time due to illness and tried to reenter the race. So yeah they were stupid, but no more stupid than the Republicans who knowingly voted for their party's presidential nominee this year.
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    creature said
    riddler78 said
    Iceblink saidThe first paragraph of the story riddler omitted:

    "Update, 2:55 p.m.: Via the Tennessean, the Tennessee Democratic party has condemned Clayton, saying in a statement that he is "associated with a known hate group" (a reference to Public Advocate of the United States), and blaming his victory on the fact that his name appeared first on the ballot."


    Um not omitted - it was an update - but that being said, so are Democrats so stupid as just to pick the first person on the ballot to nominate for Senate?


    Riddler,

    You posted the excerpt on August 4th, 2012 @ 9:23 AM EST. That is when this thread was created.

    The update is from August 3rd, 2012 @ 2:55 PM PDT.

    Who do you think you're fooling?

    What is funny is acting as if this wasn't some important part of this story, treating the update as if it were a news story where they were just correcting a mistaken street name or date. After that ridiculous sock puppet, supposedly from zip 90232, was exposed as one their own yesterday, the conservaposse has little credibility left.
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    Aug 04, 2012 4:34 PM GMT
    and this is what happens when you've got no true viable Democrats in your state. My Congressional district, #6, had no Democrat for the primary so Diane Black, who won the GOP primary again, will continue to be my bitch in DC.
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    Aug 04, 2012 4:40 PM GMT
    Iceblink said
    creature said
    riddler78 said
    Iceblink saidThe first paragraph of the story riddler omitted:

    "Update, 2:55 p.m.: Via the Tennessean, the Tennessee Democratic party has condemned Clayton, saying in a statement that he is "associated with a known hate group" (a reference to Public Advocate of the United States), and blaming his victory on the fact that his name appeared first on the ballot."


    Um not omitted - it was an update - but that being said, so are Democrats so stupid as just to pick the first person on the ballot to nominate for Senate?


    Riddler,

    You posted the excerpt on August 4th, 2012 @ 9:23 AM EST. That is when this thread was created.

    The update is from August 3rd, 2012 @ 2:55 PM PDT.

    Who do you think you're fooling?

    What is funny is acting as if this wasn't some important part of this story, treating the update as if it were a news story where they were just correcting a mistaken street name or date. After that ridiculous sock puppet, supposedly from zip 90232, was exposed as one their own yesterday, the conservaposse has little credibility left.


    I've grown tired of the sock accounts. I already sent an e-mail to admin, with no response yet. They need a permanent solution.
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    Aug 04, 2012 4:57 PM GMT
    creature said
    riddler78 said
    Iceblink saidThe first paragraph of the story riddler omitted:

    "Update, 2:55 p.m.: Via the Tennessean, the Tennessee Democratic party has condemned Clayton, saying in a statement that he is "associated with a known hate group" (a reference to Public Advocate of the United States), and blaming his victory on the fact that his name appeared first on the ballot."


    Um not omitted - it was an update - but that being said, so are Democrats so stupid as just to pick the first person on the ballot to nominate for Senate?


    Riddler,

    You posted the excerpt on August 4th, 2012 @ 9:23 AM EST. That is when this thread was created.

    The update is from August 3rd, 2012 @ 2:55 PM PDT.

    Who do you think you're fooling?

    pretty disgusting innit?


    riddler is no better than Goebbels. icon_evil.gifHe knowingly lies and repeats his lies over and over. pima facie evil.







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    Aug 04, 2012 4:57 PM GMT
    More and more it seems like America is ready to implode.
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    Aug 04, 2012 5:12 PM GMT
    [quote][cite]creature said[/citeI've grown tired of the sock accounts. I already sent an e-mail to admin, with no response yet. They need a permanent solution.[/quote]

    I'm tired of them as well and I also have a suggestion for administration for the particular person with so may sock accounts lately: Let him keep the one he has just created here again and delete his original account.
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    Aug 04, 2012 5:24 PM GMT
    Iceblink said[quote][cite]creature said[/citeI've grown tired of the sock accounts. I already sent an e-mail to admin, with no response yet. They need a permanent solution.


    I'm tired of them as well and I also have a suggestion for administration for the particular person with so may sock accounts lately: Let him keep the one he has just created here again and delete his original account. [/quote]

    Frankly, I'd rather have the admin delete the currently used sock account as well his original one, and ban the IP address if possible.

    The only reason he's doing the sock account is to avoid the risk of losing his original one. I don't think admin should give him the satisfaction if they have constantly banned like 5 sock accounts of his.
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    Aug 04, 2012 5:38 PM GMT
    this may seem really naive - but what is the obsession of these guys with needing to join and rejoin a group that has thrown them out.

    No means no, guys.

    Just because you WANT to join this club does not mean we have to have you.


    Love meeee - pleeeze love meeee - just give me another chaaaance!!!"

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    Aug 04, 2012 5:59 PM GMT
    Upper_Cdn saidthis may seem really naive - but what is the obsession of these guys with needing to join and rejoin a group that has thrown them out.

    No means no, guys.

    Just because you WANT to join this club does not mean we have to have you.


    Love meeee - pleeeze love meeee - just give me another chaaaance!!!"

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    He creates sock accounts because he generates a reaction. It gets his ugly fat rocks off.
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    Aug 04, 2012 6:28 PM GMT
    Pouncer said
    creature said
    riddler78 said
    Iceblink saidThe first paragraph of the story riddler omitted:

    "Update, 2:55 p.m.: Via the Tennessean, the Tennessee Democratic party has condemned Clayton, saying in a statement that he is "associated with a known hate group" (a reference to Public Advocate of the United States), and blaming his victory on the fact that his name appeared first on the ballot."


    Um not omitted - it was an update - but that being said, so are Democrats so stupid as just to pick the first person on the ballot to nominate for Senate?


    Riddler,

    You posted the excerpt on August 4th, 2012 @ 9:23 AM EST. That is when this thread was created.

    The update is from August 3rd, 2012 @ 2:55 PM PDT.

    Who do you think you're fooling?


    Talk about busted. I'm not sure if I'd go as far as to describe Riddler as prima facie evil worthy of Goebbels but, I have to say, it was cynical deceit taken to a whole new level.

    What's the news story here anyway though? That the Democrats often run candidates who have no business touting themselves as fighters for progressive values AT ALL?
    You don't say?


    Putting one's name forward on a ballot takes a lot of preparation and time. If one plans to offer - you need to arrange leave of absence with your employer - you need a campaign manager; an official agent; you need to embark on an endless marathon of meetings that fit into everyone's schedule to enlist support, funds, workers. And money - you need to raise a LOTof money.

    Races can begin with only one person who has got that already in place - ballots MUST be preprinted - it is a huge logistical effort that can change with each new person who gets his ducks in order to jump in. That can take months or even years to do it, so when a race is called unexpectedly it happens quite often that things start out as one person races.

    And it takes a lot of work for someone to organize an upstart campaign under the nose of the person who currently holds the nominaton and wants to keep it.

    To do that the upstart has to keep his head down as long as possible and try to organise support out from under the guy who has spent years ettng himself known and accumulating political experience.

    One of the sad truths we know that when it comes to marking the ballot people vote for the name they most recognise or the first one on the list if they do not know any of them. This iscommonly the case with school trustee elections and why name recognition is so bloody important in a campaign






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    Aug 04, 2012 9:39 PM GMT
    creature said
    riddler78 said
    Iceblink saidThe first paragraph of the story riddler omitted:

    "Update, 2:55 p.m.: Via the Tennessean, the Tennessee Democratic party has condemned Clayton, saying in a statement that he is "associated with a known hate group" (a reference to Public Advocate of the United States), and blaming his victory on the fact that his name appeared first on the ballot."


    Um not omitted - it was an update - but that being said, so are Democrats so stupid as just to pick the first person on the ballot to nominate for Senate?


    Riddler,

    You posted the excerpt on August 4th, 2012 @ 9:23 AM EST. That is when this thread was created.

    The update is from August 3rd, 2012 @ 2:55 PM PDT.

    Who do you think you're fooling?


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    ROFL
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    Aug 05, 2012 1:44 AM GMT
    Upper_Cdn saidthis may seem really naive - but what is the obsession of these guys with needing to join and rejoin a group that has thrown them out.




    More importantly, what's with being so obsessed that anyone should even care? I could care less if someone has a 100 sock accounts. It that's their thing...whatevah! If it bugs someone so much that they think an account is the sock account of someone else they don't care for, block/ignore that account and they are then technically invisible. All this whining to the admins by a bunch of grown men --- really?!?!
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    Aug 05, 2012 1:52 AM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    Upper_Cdn saidthis may seem really naive - but what is the obsession of these guys with needing to join and rejoin a group that has thrown them out.




    More importantly, what's with being so obsessed that anyone should even care? I could care less if someone has a 100 sock accounts. It that's their thing...whatevah! If it bugs someone so much that they think an account is the sock account of someone else they don't care for, block/ignore that account and they are then technically invisible. All this whining to the admins by a bunch of grown men --- really?!?!


    Yes, really.

    And it's apparent that admin cares about it otherwise they wouldn't be deleting those sock accounts.
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    Aug 05, 2012 1:57 AM GMT
    Living in Tennessee now... apparently this guy is a Republican and voted republican in all previous elections except this one. Doesn't matter though because Bob Corker will win the race hands down.

    We haven't had a strong democrat since Harold Ford opposed Corker a few years ago.

    We do have a strong democratic mayor in Nashville in Karl Dean. He has been great for the gay community. Hopefully one day he can run at the State or Congressional level.
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    Upper_Cdn saidthis may seem really naive - but what is the obsession of these guys with needing to join and rejoin a group that has thrown them out.




    More importantly, what's with being so obsessed that anyone should even care? I could care less if someone has a 100 sock accounts. It that's their thing...whatevah! If it bugs someone so much that they think an account is the sock account of someone else they don't care for, block/ignore that account and they are then technically invisible. All this whining to the admins by a bunch of grown men --- really?!?!



    Kind of like grown men in their 40s and 50s creating sock accounts and trolling forums - really?!?! icon_rolleyes.gif
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    CuriousJockAZ said
    Upper_Cdn saidthis may seem really naive - but what is the obsession of these guys with needing to join and rejoin a group that has thrown them out.




    More importantly, what's with being so obsessed that anyone should even care? I could care less if someone has a 100 sock accounts. It that's their thing...whatevah! If it bugs someone so much that they think an account is the sock account of someone else they don't care for, block/ignore that account and they are then technically invisible. All this whining to the admins by a bunch of grown men --- really?!?!



    socalfitness has boasted of his cleverness in creating sock accounts. Southbeach1500 took pride in his dozens of personas.
    freedomisntfree, Bless His Heart, can't even pull off being himself----though his clumsy fingerprints are on a few of the more idiotic accounts.

    For you, the Phoenix chapter cheerleader of BOTTOMS-4-ROMNEY, which one of your socks are you most proud of ?
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    Aug 05, 2012 7:03 AM GMT
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    riddler78 said
    Iceblink saidThe first paragraph of the story riddler omitted:

    "Update, 2:55 p.m.: Via the Tennessean, the Tennessee Democratic party has condemned Clayton, saying in a statement that he is "associated with a known hate group" (a reference to Public Advocate of the United States), and blaming his victory on the fact that his name appeared first on the ballot."


    Um not omitted - it was an update - but that being said, so are Democrats so stupid as just to pick the first person on the ballot to nominate for Senate?


    Riddler,

    You posted the excerpt on August 4th, 2012 @ 9:23 AM EST. That is when this thread was created.

    The update is from August 3rd, 2012 @ 2:55 PM PDT.

    Who do you think you're fooling?


    Um - again - (1) on my browser it had not updated given that I posted it as I was clearing my tabs, and (2) it's doesn't detract from the original point or article and it's a ridiculous excuse at best that requires you to believe that Democrats simply nominate the first guy on the ballot.

    So curious - are you also that stupid? Or were just the Democrats who nominated this guy that stupid?

    I am curious though - for the rest of you who believe they somehow caught me in some big lie, do you really think that this is actually a legitimate excuse that because this guy was the first person on the ballot, it makes sense that all these Democrats mistakenly nominated a guy who is an anti-gay conspiracy theorist?
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    Aug 05, 2012 2:46 PM GMT
    The whole thing sounds a little strange to me from start to finish.

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