Shooting at Sikh Temple in Milwaukee

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    Authorities responded to an incident at a Sikh temple in Milwaukee County on Sunday, where at least one body was seen lying in the parking lot. CNN affiliate WTMJ is reporting that multiple people may have been shot outside the temple.

    WTMJ reports that the gunman may be on the loose. Aerial pictures show multiple bodies in the parking lot.

    The shooting happened at about 10:40 a.m. local time, according to WTMJ.

    Sikhism rose up 500 years ago in India as a monotheistic religion that rejected the caste system and scriptures of Hinduism.
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    In the wake of Sept. 11, Sikhs, who are often mistaken for Muslims, have dealt with a rise in hate crimes and assaults, racial profiling and bullying.
    The AP reports that the latest shootings have unsettled the local community:
    During a news conference Monday at a Sikh temple, a spokesman said the recent violence has scared some temple-goers into concealing any indicators of their religion.
    Sikhs often are mistaken for Muslims and have been the subject of occasional violence across the country since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.
    “The enemies of the United States don’t wear turbans in the United States,” said Amar Shergill, a Sikh leader and attorney. “They don’t want to be singled out. The result is that Sikh Americans since 9-11 have borne the brunt of violent hate crimes.”

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    Stupid Americans.
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    Aug 05, 2012 6:17 PM GMT
    I guess had the victims been white this would've received more coverage and outrage. I mean a movie theater is much more sacred than a place of solitude and worship.
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    Aug 05, 2012 6:22 PM GMT
    Sorry, ChangeofName, I didn't see you already created a thread for this story.
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    Aug 05, 2012 7:09 PM GMT
    Best wishes for the victims of the shooting and their families.
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    Aug 05, 2012 7:51 PM GMT
    ChangeofName said
    Authorities responded to an incident at a Sikh temple in Milwaukee County on Sunday, where at least one body was seen lying in the parking lot. CNN affiliate WTMJ is reporting that multiple people may have been shot outside the temple.
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    In the wake of Sept. 11, Sikhs, who are often mistaken for Muslims, have dealt with a rise in hate crimes and assaults, racial profiling and bullying.


    Sikhs often are mistaken for Muslims and have been the subject of occasional violence across the country since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.
    “The enemies of the United States don’t wear turbans in the United States,” said Amar Shergill, a Sikh leader and attorney. “They don’t want to be singled out. The result is that Sikh Americans since 9-11 have borne the brunt of violent hate crimes.”

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    Stupid Americans.


    Hate crimes are despicable.
    Generalizing and saying things like "Stupid Americans" (for example, or any nationality/religious group) is simply wrong, encourages and perpetuates hatred that can lead to hate crimes by people who originally never hated. It makes a previously indifferent or supportive side hate, and things tumble further out of control.
    Teaching tolerance by being tolerant and speaking tolerantly encourages understanding and real coexistence. (= Taking preventative measures.)
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    Aug 05, 2012 8:03 PM GMT
    ^^

    he didn't lie though. for the most part, us americans are lazy and ignorant, and we don't want to take the time to educate ourselves regarding religions/cultures/etc. differing from our own. those types of people just stereotype and lump them all together out of fear.

    i said it in the other thread, but prepare yourselves for the onslaught of sikh = musllim comments from the mouth-breathers. looks like they've started to begin.
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    Aug 05, 2012 10:11 PM GMT
    I don't hate Americans, yet you speak of preventative measures? How about tougher laws on license hand guns? 12 years the sikh community has had to live with prejudicial hate just because a bunch of inbred hicks can't discern the difference among towel heads. No one deserves this kind of treatment but enuff is enuff. The entire world looks and laughs, get ur shit together. This is a country of free speech, I'm not promoting hate don't get it twisted..
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    "Mr. President, my name is Khan and I am not a terrorist".
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    Aug 06, 2012 12:38 AM GMT
    ChangeofName saidI don't hate Americans, yet you speak of preventative measures? How about tougher laws on license hand guns? 12 years the sikh community has had to live with prejudicial hate just because a bunch of inbred hicks can't discern the difference among towel heads. No one deserves this kind of treament but enuff is enuff. The entire world looks and laughs, get ur shit together. This is a country of free speech, I'm not promoting hate don't get it twisted..


    Dont kid yourself you are prejudice.

    Afaik, no information on the motives have been released.

    ABCThe police have not given any details on the identity or motive of the shooter or released the identities of the deceased.

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/sikh-temple-shooting-oak-creek-wisconsin-domestic-terrorism/story?id=16933779#.UB8TCvV7tZA

    No one deserves to be killed like that. There are plenty of examples of people who just go crazy and do these things. Gunl laws have nothing to do with it.

    If they didnt have guns they would firebomb the place.

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    ChangeofName saidI don't hate Americans, yet you speak of preventative measures? How about tougher laws on license hand guns? 12 years the sikh community has had to live with prejudicial hate just because a bunch of inbred hicks can't discern the difference among towel heads. No one deserves this kind of treament but enuff is enuff. The entire world looks and laughs, get ur shit together. This is a country of free speech, I'm not promoting hate don't get it twisted..


    Dont kid yourself you are prejudice.

    Afaik, no information on the motives have been released.

    ABCThe police have not given any details on the identity or motive of the shooter or released the identities of the deceased.

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/sikh-temple-shooting-oak-creek-wisconsin-domestic-terrorism/story?id=16933779#.UB8TCvV7tZA

    No one deserves to be killed like that. There are plenty of examples of people who just go crazy and do these things. Gunl laws have nothing to do with it.

    If they didnt have guns they would firebomb the place.



    I am prejudice? I must've learned from the best ... Take a bow.


    The gun man was white and had a 9-11 tattoo .... This isn't the first time Amerikkka gets it all wrong. I'm not the one shooting down seniors at a religious temple dickhead... I guess the truth hurts... Not everyone kisses ur ass . I've been called Paki on this forum and no one said anything about it. Fuck u.
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    Aug 06, 2012 1:14 AM GMT
    Oh yeah.. you were the dickhead that was defending George Zimmerman for shooting down a child..

    It makes all the sense in the world.. Ur projecting ur own insecurities and racial biases. Just look at all the hate filled Muslim threads on this racist forum.

    I think Americans have stupid gun laws and that makes me prejudice? Go fuck urself.

    Freedom of speech is a liberty afforded to me as well
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    Aug 06, 2012 1:17 AM GMT
    The suspect had chick-fil-a in his gut.
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    Aug 06, 2012 2:23 AM GMT
    This will continue to happen as long as we allow any lunatic to buy firearms with essentially no questions asked.
    I'm really tired of the faux mourning and pretend shock that our country trots out for a day or two following these massacres, then immediately resumes business as usual: selling handguns and assault weapons to any redneck or nut job with no training required or background checks of significance.

    Instead of trying to address this problem and SOLVE IT, our spineless elected officials IN BOTH PARTIES continue to cower in fear from the perceived threat of the gun lobby.

    To all the gun apologists who claim "gun control laws wouldn't make any difference, evil is unstoppable, blah blah blah," please explain to me why the US has so many more gun killings than all the countries that DO have restrictive gun laws?
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    Aug 06, 2012 2:50 AM GMT
    "This will continue to happen as long as we allow any lunatic to buy firearms with essentially no questions asked."

    WHERE IS THE PRIDE IN GUN OWNERSHIP?

    I don't understand why responsible and SANE gun owners don't demand more respect for themselves by EXCLUDING THE LUNATICS(to the extent that it is possible).

    A gun license should be a measure of good character.

    Little boys and girls should aspire to gun ownership--------because a gun license means that you have:

    NEVER threatened anyone.

    NEVER stolen from anyone.

    NEVER committed any violence.

    Hmmmm, my idea sounds positively RIGHT-WING.......but so far the NRA-brainwashed crowd rejects the idea of defending their status, in favor of allowing the gun industry access to the lucrative market of NUT CASES IN AMERICA(no small market segment).
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    Aug 06, 2012 8:49 AM GMT
    I must hand it to CNN for at least attempting to make amends for their irresponsible journalism 11 odd years ago when the average dumb American was led to believe people of color and different cultural backgrounds were presumably enemies of the state. After many deaths and pain ... It's refreshing that after all this time ... They try to add some clarity.

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    (CNN) -- Immediately after the September 11, 2001, terrorist acts, Sikhs came under attack.Mistaken for Muslims for their beards and turbans, they became ripe targets for zealots seeking revenge.

    The first person murdered in retaliation for the 9/11 attacks was a Sikh - a gas station owner in Mesa, Arizona, named Balbir Singh Sodhi who was shot five times by aircraft mechanic Frank Roque.
    In the intervening years, the Sikh Coalition, a New York-based advocacy group, reported more than 700 attacks or bias-related incidents.
    Some Sikhs had their houses vandalized; others were spat upon. In some extreme cases, Sikhs were set upon by groups of people and beaten.
    As the incidents waned, the community had hoped the worst was behind them -- until Sunday when a man shot and killed at least six people at a temple outside Milwaukee, wounded a police officer, and was himself killed by another officer's bullets.
    While Oak Creek, Wisconsin, police have released little information about the suspect, a spokesman with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives' Chicago division, described him as a white male roughly 40 years of age. And witnesses said the man had a 9/11 tattoo on one arm.
    A law enforcement source involved in the investigation said the shooter was an Army veteran who may have been a white supremacist. His name may be released as early as Monday morning.
    While the motives of the shooter are not yet known, what is clear is that the incident has dredged up the sense of shock and sadness Sikhs felt 11 years ago.
    Rajwant Singh, from the Maryland-Sikh Council on Religion and Education, said Sikhs growing up in the United States should not feel as though they don't belong.
    "Everybody should feel at home," he said Sunday. "This nation belongs to everyone."
    But little seems to have changed.
    The United States is home to about 700,000 Sikhs, nearly all of Indian origin. The men are easily identifiable by their beards and turbans, a tradition that's lasted for 500 years.
    But the attire and appearance have also meant that they are often mistaken for Muslims, and are targets of anti-Islam attacks.
    "Our appearance looks like Osama bin Laden and those of Afghanistan," Suminder Sodhi, a friend of the Arizona victim, said at the time of the first attack. "But we are different people from Muslim people. We have different beliefs, a different religion."
    Because many of the incidents go unreported and because the FBI doesn't specifically list them -- instead lumping them as "anti-Islamic" crimes -- exact numbers are hard to come by.
    Earlier this year, New York Rep. Joe Crowley sent a letter to the Justice Department to begin tracking crimes against Sikhs. He asked that the FBI update its Hate Crime Incident Report Form (1-699), which does not have a designation for crimes against Sikhs as it does for some other groups.
    "The more information our law enforcement agencies have on violence against Sikh-Americans, the more they can do to help prevent these crimes and bring those who commit them to justice," Crowley said.
    Here are some instances from the long list of attacks that Sikhs have faced since 9/11:
    -- September 15, 2001: An aircraft mechanic named Frank Roque guns down Balbir Singh Sodhi outside a Mesa gas station. Roque drives up to the station, fires five times and flees. He goes on to shoot at a Lebanese-American gas station clerk and fire into the home of an Afghan-American family later that same day. He is serving a life sentence.
    -- December 2001: Two men beat store owner Surinder Singh 20 times with metal poles in Los Angeles, while they uttering, "We'll kill bin Laden today."
    -- March 2004: Vandals scrawl the words, "It's not your country" in blue spray paint on the wall of the Gurdwara Sahib temple in Fresno, California. The temple is also vandalized a year earlier.
    -- July 2004: Rajinder Singh Khalsa is beaten unconscious by six men in New York City, after they taunt him and his friend about their turban. The beating leaves Khalsa with multiple fractures.
    -- August 2006: Iqbal Singh is stabbed in the neck with a steak knife in San Jose, California, while he was standing in the carport of his house. The attacker later tells police he wanted to "kill a Taliban."
    -- October 2008: Ajit Singh Chima is punched and kicked in the head while out on his daily walk in Carteret, New Jersey. The attacker does not take anything from Chima.
    -- January 2009: Jasmir Singh is attacked outside a New York grocery store, with men shouting racial slurs. Two years later, his father is attacked.
    -- November 2010: In 2010, Harbhajan Singh, a Sikh cabdriver, is beaten by two passengers in Sacramento, California, with one of them calling him "Osama bin Laden."
    -- March 2011: Gurmej Singh Atwal and Surinder Singh are gunned down in Elk Grove, California, while out on their afternoon walk. They are not robbed and had no enemies, family members say.
    -- February 2012: A Sikh temple under construction in Sterling Heights, Michigan, is defaced, with graffiti on the wall depicting a gun and a Christian cross. Someone also scrawls "Mohmed," perhaps in reference to the Muslim prophet Mohammed.
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    Aug 06, 2012 1:29 PM GMT
    ChangeofName saidI guess had the victims been white this would've received more coverage and outrage. I mean a movie theater is much more sacred than a place of solitude and worship.


    Hmmm....really I think the reason is that the theater shooting is sensational and affects a much broader demographic.
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    Aug 06, 2012 2:05 PM GMT
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    ChangeofName saidI don't hate Americans, yet you speak of preventative measures? How about tougher laws on license hand guns? 12 years the sikh community has had to live with prejudicial hate just because a bunch of inbred hicks can't discern the difference among towel heads. No one deserves this kind of treament but enuff is enuff. The entire world looks and laughs, get ur shit together. This is a country of free speech, I'm not promoting hate don't get it twisted..


    Dont kid yourself you are prejudice.

    Afaik, no information on the motives have been released.

    ABCThe police have not given any details on the identity or motive of the shooter or released the identities of the deceased.

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/sikh-temple-shooting-oak-creek-wisconsin-domestic-terrorism/story?id=16933779#.UB8TCvV7tZA

    No one deserves to be killed like that. There are plenty of examples of people who just go crazy and do these things. Gunl laws have nothing to do with it.

    If they didnt have guns they would firebomb the place.



    I am prejudice? I must've learned from the best ... Take a bow.


    The gun man was white and had a 9-11 tattoo .... This isn't the first time Amerikkka gets it all wrong. I'm not the one shooting down seniors at a religious temple dickhead... I guess the truth hurts... Not everyone kisses ur ass . I've been called Paki on this forum and no one said anything about it. Fuck u.



    You see , if you cannot distinguish between the man who did this and everyone else that is the definition of prejudice.

    I certainly will not call you any name.

    America getting it wrong? So a tragedy happens and you pop on to post the very premature news with very little facts to what point. To say Americans are racists?

    What it does prove is that you jumped to conclusion. Americans are not robots in a collective like the BORG. Unfortunately people who are mentally unstable do things like this ALL THE TIME.

    We have no idea about the facts. Maybe there was a personal gripe?

    You are not going to find a more tolerant country in the USA. The reverse is not true even for India.

    No time in history could emigrate to the USA and be protected from discrimination and persecution. The history of the world chronicles persecution of people because they look different or worship differently.

    So save the sanctimonious garbage. Didnt Canada have shootings in Montreal and Toronto?

    Finally it seems obvious you have your own anger issues by how freely you curse at members who post on here.
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    Aug 06, 2012 3:47 PM GMT
    Hopefully more info will be forthcoming via media about the heroes and victims. Meanwhile...

    http://www.jsonline.com/news/crime/shooter-wade-page-was-army-vet-white-supremacist-856cn28-165123946.html

    Milwaukee Journal-SentinelThe shooter who open fired before worship services Sunday at the Sikh Temple in Oak Creek and killed six people before he was killed by police is Wade Michael Page, a 40-year-old Army veteran, U.S. Attorney James A. Santelle said Monday.

    He said officials believe he purchased the 9 mm handgun legally in Wisconsin.

    Page served in the military approximately between 1992 and 1998, Santelle said.

    Other sources familiar with the shooting investigation said Wade was assigned to psychological operations, or PsyOps. (snip)

    The Southern Poverty Law Center, a group that has studied hate crimes for decades, reported Monday that Page was a frustrated neo-Nazi who had been the leader of a racist white-power band known as End Apathy.

    Heidi Beirich, director of the center's intelligence project, said her group had been tracking Page since 2000, when he tried to purchase goods from the National Alliance, a well-known hate group. (snip)

    Also on Monday, a volunteer human-rights group called Responsible for Equality And Liberty (R.E.A.L.) found links between Page, his band and a white supremacist website called Stormfront.

    Jeffrey Imm, who heads R.E.A.L., said in an interview Monday that someone based in Milwaukee using the name "End Apathy" began posting on the website in February 2008. Additionally, appearances by Page's band were promoted on the Stormfront site, including a white supremacist gathering in March 2012 in Richmond, Va. (snip)

    David Brown, 62, a neighbor who lived in the same South Milwaukee apartment building earlier this year, said Page was a recluse. He was "not a friendly guy," he said. "You'd have more fun with a camel."


    http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/08/06/bulletin-alleged-sikh-temple-shooter-member-of-neo-nazi-group/

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    Aug 06, 2012 4:36 PM GMT
    UPDATED: Good news about the "person of interest" guy (picture removed):

    Milw. Journal-SentinelAt a news conference at 10 a.m., authorities said they were attempting to identify another person, a white male, who they described as "a person of interest." But as of 2:45 p.m., FBI officials said they had identified the man and ruled him out as having anything to do with the temple incident.


    PREVIOUSLY:

    Milwaukee Journal-SentinelA man with a 9/11 tattoo looks at his cell phone Sunday after taking video of media, friends and relatives gathered by police in a parking lot near the Sikh temple in Oak Creek. Authorities are attempting to identify the man, who they described as "a person of interest."


    Milw. Journal-SentinelA man matching the photo officials showed was seen by Journal Sentinel reporters at the scene of the temple Sunday, possibly video taping what was going on. Anyone with information on the man is asked to call 1-800-CALL-FBI.

    At the news briefing in Oak Creek, officials identified the Oak Creek police officer who was shot when he responded to the temple as Lt. Brian Murphy, 51, an experienced member of the department's tactical unit.

    Murphy was a finalist for the Oak Creek police chief post in 2010.

    Satwant Singh Kaleka, the temple president, was killed Sunday after attempting to tackle the gunman. Kaleka's brother-in-law, Deepir Singh Dhaliwal, identified the other victims Monday as: Sita Singh and Ranjit Singh, who are brothers; Subage Singh, Parmjit Kaur and Parkash Singh.
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    Aug 06, 2012 4:42 PM GMT
    I live in Milwaukee and what happened Sunday morning was terrible. I would like to thank the officer who was shot 9 times for his bravery and also thank the other 2 officers shortly on scene after for shooting and killing this animal. If it is any comfort to the victims, he went straight to hell. The shooter Wade Michael Page was discharged from the Army in 1998 and lived in Cudahay since July. Think he moved here from Chicago. He was a white supremist and also the leader of a neo-Nazi band called "End Empathy". He legally purchased the gun used in this hate crime and passed all background checks.

    My thoughts are with the victims.
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    ChangeofName saidI don't hate Americans, yet you speak of preventative measures? How about tougher laws on license hand guns? 12 years the sikh community has had to live with prejudicial hate just because a bunch of inbred hicks can't discern the difference among towel heads. No one deserves this kind of treament but enuff is enuff. The entire world looks and laughs, get ur shit together. This is a country of free speech, I'm not promoting hate don't get it twisted..


    Dont kid yourself you are prejudice.

    Afaik, no information on the motives have been released.

    ABCThe police have not given any details on the identity or motive of the shooter or released the identities of the deceased.

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/sikh-temple-shooting-oak-creek-wisconsin-domestic-terrorism/story?id=16933779#.UB8TCvV7tZA

    No one deserves to be killed like that. There are plenty of examples of people who just go crazy and do these things. Gunl laws have nothing to do with it.

    If they didnt have guns they would firebomb the place.



    I am prejudice? I must've learned from the best ... Take a bow.


    The gun man was white and had a 9-11 tattoo .... This isn't the first time Amerikkka gets it all wrong. I'm not the one shooting down seniors at a religious temple dickhead... I guess the truth hurts... Not everyone kisses ur ass . I've been called Paki on this forum and no one said anything about it. Fuck u.



    You see , if you cannot distinguish between the man who did this and everyone else that is the definition of prejudice.

    I certainly will not call you any name.

    America getting it wrong? So a tragedy happens and you pop on to post the very premature news with very little facts to what point. To say Americans are racists?

    What it does prove is that you jumped to conclusion. Americans are not robots in a collective like the BORG. Unfortunately people who are mentally unstable do things like this ALL THE TIME.

    We have no idea about the facts. Maybe there was a personal gripe?

    You are not going to find a more tolerant country in the USA. The reverse is not true even for India.

    No time in history could emigrate to the USA and be protected from discrimination and persecution. The history of the world chronicles persecution of people because they look different or worship differently.

    So save the sanctimonious garbage. Didnt Canada have shootings in Montreal and Toronto?

    Finally it seems obvious you have your own anger issues by how freely you curse at members who post on here.


    Racially-directed violence is quite different from the recent gang shootings in Canada. What kind of weird rationalization is that? icon_rolleyes.gif





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    musclmed said... a bunch of trite nonesense from a racially biased ignorant douche bag...


    Doesnt seem to surprise me that all the closet racists come out of the wood-work denying the obvious FACTS.

    The fact that you can't discern between a mall shooting and a temple shooting is proof of the pudding. Answer this question, why are you so intent and upset at the fact that I used the term "inbred hicks" as opposed to "towel heads"?

    you didnt seem to have a problem with that.

    The fact that you continually deny the existence of racism and side step the true issue here ... your second amendment rights applied in the 1700s ... time to grow up and realize not everyone that looks different from you is bad.

    How about speaking out against the blatant racism found on other threads, why single this one out and deny the OBVIOUS?

    Start pointing that highly critical finger at yourself for once... if anyone is sanctimonious its you for making this thread all about you..

    PS- NEWSFLASH America is founded by immigrants and the White House was built by slaves ...

    you can stop with the deaf dumb blind act... its getting old.
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    NPRSatwant Singh Kaleka was the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin's president and one of its founders. He "brought everyone together. He just wanted to make a good temple, a good community," temple member Lahwinder Singh tells Milwaukee's Journal Sentinel.

    This morning, Amar Deep Kaleka said on Milwaukee's TMJ4-TV that he's been told his father died doing his best "to protect the temple, his family, his wife and all his friends."


    http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/08/06/158192299/at-sikh-temple-leader-attacked-gunman-died-trying-to-protect-others