theantijock said[cut for length]Wow, you're a fucking cunt.
Psychobabble bullshit disguised as psychology & art.
I didn't view any of that as half drag, rather as devoid of masculinity, just some chick who needs to shave and finish putting on her makeup.
kawaiidesu saidtheantijock said[cut for length]Wow, you're a fucking cunt.
Psychobabble bullshit disguised as psychology & art.
I didn't view any of that as half drag, rather as devoid of masculinity, just some chick who needs to shave and finish putting on her makeup.
HottJoe saidkawaiidesu saidtheantijock said[cut for length]Wow, you're a fucking cunt.
Psychobabble bullshit disguised as psychology & art.
I didn't view any of that as half drag, rather as devoid of masculinity, just some chick who needs to shave and finish putting on her makeup.
I agree. Your comment sounds less antijock and more stupid Jock. Maybe you're just having a bad day?
theantijock saidHottJoe saidkawaiidesu saidtheantijock said[cut for length]Wow, you're a fucking cunt.
Psychobabble bullshit disguised as psychology & art.
I didn't view any of that as half drag, rather as devoid of masculinity, just some chick who needs to shave and finish putting on her makeup.
I agree. Your comment sounds less antijock and more stupid Jock. Maybe you're just having a bad day?
Hottjoe, you know I've never treated you disrespectfully and we even had a decent conversation once so maybe I'm not the one having the bad day but please note that the next time you try to treat me like shit will be the last time we chat. As to the other guy, no idea who that is. So thanx so much for quoting the ignored.
As to my comment, I'm standing by it. As to your somewhat rude comment about me, instead of about the topic, had you something to say about it, are you trying to say that when you look at those guys wearing lipstick, eyeshadow and rhinestones that you would get an erection based upon the half that isn't made up, from what supposed half a masculine face remains? Excellent, enjoy your evening masterbating to that. But I'm willing to bet that most gay guys who are not turned on by chicks with dicks wouldn't get as much as half hard from that, not even with viagra.
So instead of simply calling me a fucking cunt, how about examining just how easily a little drag corrupts masculinity in pretty much its entirety. Perhaps there you will find some art. For the only art in trying to tell the observer that there's still half a man there is nothing but the art of bullshitting.
Because if what they say is true, than we'd all have some urge to masterbate to those pictures--anyone wanna fess up?--and I'm gonna bet those pictures not only wouldn't make 90% of the guys on RJ cum but they'd prevent an erection to begin with. If that is the case, and I haven't noticed much conversation to the contrary in any thread, then the theory of art as proposed by the so-called artist is, as I stated, horseshit.
The only thing weaker than this so-called art is insisting that anything gay is artistic and worthy of study when there's plenty of gay life which is simply not that interesting and better simply left on ignore.
Fivealive saidThe article and pics are really fascinating!
Some of the guys look better sans drag though!
http://www.vogue.it/en/people-are-talking-about/vogue-arts/2012/08/bobbe-s-half-drag-shots
theantijock said[cut for misogynistic bullshit]As Viitz already mentioned, it has nothing to do with boners and masturbating, which you should learn how to spell. The quote that you provided from the article does not mention sex or sexuality whatsoever.
sirdreamalot saidsaw this on tumblr, it's so cool.
also, theantijock aka theidioticjock needs to shut the fuck up. you know nothing.
viitz saidNo offense, but you sound like a total insecure douche. Not everything is about busting a load.
If it weren't for drag queens you'd still be hiding in your closet.
theantijock saidHottJoe saidkawaiidesu saidtheantijock said[cut for length]Wow, you're a fucking cunt.
Psychobabble bullshit disguised as psychology & art.
I didn't view any of that as half drag, rather as devoid of masculinity, just some chick who needs to shave and finish putting on her makeup.
I agree. Your comment sounds less antijock and more stupid Jock. Maybe you're just having a bad day?
Hottjoe, you know I've never treated you disrespectfully and we even had a decent conversation once so maybe I'm not the one having the bad day but please note that the next time you try to treat me like shit will be the last time we chat. As to the other guy, no idea who that is. So thanx so much for quoting the ignored.
As to my comment, I'm standing by it. As to your somewhat rude comment about me, instead of about the topic, had you something to say about it, are you trying to say that when you look at those guys wearing lipstick, eyeshadow and rhinestones that you would get an erection based upon the half that isn't made up, from what supposed half a masculine face remains? Excellent, enjoy your evening masterbating to that. But I'm willing to bet that most gay guys who are not turned on by chicks with dicks wouldn't get as much as half hard from that, not even with viagra.
So instead of simply calling me a fucking cunt, how about examining just how easily a little drag corrupts masculinity in pretty much its entirety. Perhaps there you will find some art. For the only art in trying to tell the observer that there's still half a man there is nothing but the art of bullshitting.
Because if what they say is true, than we'd all have some urge to masterbate to those pictures--anyone wanna fess up?--and I'm gonna bet those pictures not only wouldn't make 90% of the guys on RJ cum but they'd prevent an erection to begin with. If that is the case, and I haven't noticed much conversation to the contrary in any thread, then the theory of art as proposed by the so-called artist is, as I stated, horseshit.
The only thing weaker than this so-called art is insisting that anything gay is artistic and worthy of study when there's plenty of gay life which is simply not that interesting and better simply left on ignore.
theantijock saidsirdreamalot saidsaw this on tumblr, it's so cool.
also, theantijock aka theidioticjock needs to shut the fuck up. you know nothing.
You seem to be new here. I'm sure you're going to make lots of friends. All sorts of creepy, inconsiderate guys about. Their gonna just love you. But I won't be seeing you ever again. Feel free to put my posts on ignore as well. Buh bye, I won't miss you. Click.viitz saidNo offense, but you sound like a total insecure douche. Not everything is about busting a load.
If it weren't for drag queens you'd still be hiding in your closet.
Oh, gee, thanx for the history lesson but at 55, I am that history, sweetie. No matter. Never noticed you before either. And will never notice you again. Sorry for you that your mother taught you to treat people you don't even know like shit. My mother, on the other hand, taught me to click people like you on ignore. So, no offense but, buh bye. I won't miss you either. Click.
For the Rjecord, I said nothing denigrating to drag, as I have been accused of doing; rather, I was speaking specifically and only to this particular exhibit which I find to be largely inane. That someone else might enjoy it, I've no issue, simply state your case if you care to. No reason to make it personal. Doesn't matter the fuck to me if someone doesn't agree. That someone takes a discussion of ideas personally is a personal problem, not mine.
In any case, certainly there's no reason in the world for any gay person to feel badly about not getting sexually turned on by drag queens. That doesn't mean we don't like them around the house; we just might not care to eat one.
I've a long history with drag queens going as far back as 1977 when I was friends for two years with Apple Love who performed near the UofF in G-ville at a time when I was first living as an out gay man at the age of 20, you know, before Will & Grace made it easy for you. Also throughout the 70s & 80s, as my best bi bud was partial to the performers, I woke up with everyone from Dana Manchester to pretty much anyone in town performing that weekend.
Probably, I've had more drag queens in my bed than most of you have seen on stage or, since you don't even leave your computers--surprising because apparently some of your reading comprehension ain't so great--on Logo.
HottJoe saidI'm not often aroused by drag queens either. I'm a fan of drag culture though, and I even published a novel about a drag queen, "The Tragedy of Miss Geneva Flowers." I will ALWAYS militantly defend drag queens from being shit on, doesn't really matter who's doing the shitting. I enjoyed our previous conversations as well, but we hardly have to agree on everything. As for calling you a cunt, that was another poster. I simply agreed that you were being cunt-like. I don't think you should be offended by that. I've been called much worse, and it doesn't phase me all that much. We all have to choose our battles and defending femme men from homophobia has been one of my greatest causes and highest ideals. If you're on the wrong side of that debate, then I will be there again to argue my perspective, and I'm not trying to be PC about it. Putting me on ignore won't really make much of a difference, because I'm never talking to just one person on here anyway. I do like you, and I sincerely hope that they're no hard feelings. That's just where I stand.
HottJoe saidIf this is your past then you should be pleased to see the next generation step up to the plate and defend this important aspect of our culture.
theantijock saidHottJoe saidIf this is your past then you should be pleased to see the next generation step up to the plate and defend this important aspect of our culture.
I love that the younger people are exploring our world. I denounce that someone would use the guise of defending as merely strategy of offense.
HottJoe saidtheantijock saidHottJoe saidIf this is your past then you should be pleased to see the next generation step up to the plate and defend this important aspect of our culture.
I love that the younger people are exploring our world. I denounce that someone would use the guise of defending as merely strategy of offense.
I see I mischaracterized you. Having no context as to how you felt about men in drag, I saw the glib part of you original statement as degrading toward them. Glib statements are often venomous, and it isn't always clear what someone means on the forum. In this case, I wasn't the only one who misunderstood you, though I am sorry I did.
Your view of the art make sense to me, though I have a different take. For starters, seeing what they'd look like with no makeup on, I can tell they're stunning men. If any of them were covered entirely in makeup I'd see more of a female than the man underneath, and although I'm a huge fan of women, I'm just not turned on by them. Beyond that, the pictures are an interesting take on how the sexes are really more alike than we realize, and also how so much of what we're attracted to is a matter of perception, which can depend on whether or not a makeup artist interfered.
theantijock saidHottJoe saidI'm not often aroused by drag queens either. I'm a fan of drag culture though, and I even published a novel about a drag queen, "The Tragedy of Miss Geneva Flowers." I will ALWAYS militantly defend drag queens from being shit on, doesn't really matter who's doing the shitting. I enjoyed our previous conversations as well, but we hardly have to agree on everything. As for calling you a cunt, that was another poster. I simply agreed that you were being cunt-like. I don't think you should be offended by that. I've been called much worse, and it doesn't phase me all that much. We all have to choose our battles and defending femme men from homophobia has been one of my greatest causes and highest ideals. If you're on the wrong side of that debate, then I will be there again to argue my perspective, and I'm not trying to be PC about it. Putting me on ignore won't really make much of a difference, because I'm never talking to just one person on here anyway. I do like you, and I sincerely hope that they're no hard feelings. That's just where I stand.
Those of us who don't bullshit ourselves are in touch with that because it is completely natural for gay people to not be aroused by drag as most of us seek out masculinity. Being turned on by femininity--also not a crime--is not being turned on by masculinity, however, and it is nonsense to say the two are blurred in a drag queen as they most certainly are not. If they were, you'd be just as turned on by a guy in drag as you would by a big biceps bottom. We are men who seek men, that's what makes us gay. Drag is about accepting yourself, not pretending to be what you are not. Drag says its okay for men to love men.
Critiquing what someone is trying to pass off as art and their theory behind it is not shitting on the subject of the so-called art. So your anger is misplaced and your expression of it when you are being rude sucks.
homastj said
oh ..... my ....
this is really not a very good argument and you should re-think it (even if you "are" that history). you don't seem to grasp the concept of drag at all. drag doesn't pick one end of the masculinity/femininity spectrum and cling to it like ends of a magnet, but rather it says the whole thing is asinine. it mocks "man/woman," shaved/unshaved, polar ends of the spectrum. calling this whole display a load of crap because it doesn't fit your understanding of drag is pretty silly. and your understanding is not well supported - but I guess if you have an entire boatload of academic publications hidden away from the rest of the world hidden away, do share. all you have really said is what you think these models should look like. totally not good enough!
I mean, take a look at the "female" sides of the faces - do those look like women to you?? no, they look almost clownish. they're deliberately exaggerated to make a point. they have even covered up existing facial features to create news ones with cosmetics. do every-day women or transgender women do that? no. that is your clue that there is something else is going on here.
Timbales saidit really is amazing what make-up can do to a face.
Fivealive saidThe article and pics are really fascinating!Thanks for sharing! That's Amazing!
Some of the guys look better sans drag though!
http://www.vogue.it/en/people-are-talking-about/vogue-arts/2012/08/bobbe-s-half-drag-shots
check out the rest!
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