Assault on gays?

  • Latenight30

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    Aug 07, 2012 1:42 PM GMT
    So it saddens me to hear that in my fair city of Atlanta, another young gay guy got attacked. Maybe not so much attacked as sucker punched.
    It wasn't as serious as some, but it still raised a question in my mind.

    http://www.projectqatlanta.com/news_articles/view/atlantic_station_accounts_of_gay_bashing_differ?gid=11650#.UCEDF9OHVpE.facebook

    As you grow up you are taught how to deal with grocery stores, gas stations and banking. (just follow)
    When do you learn and who teaches us to be aware of our surroundings?
    What do you do when you are attacked? (I hope no one ever has this happen)

    This is something that needs to be pass down from the older guys. Go tell the police, immediately. Get a description. Remember things about the person what they were wearing, what they said. This will help in making a solid case.

    It is difficult to become a victim. But you have to stay strong and carry on.


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    Aug 07, 2012 1:53 PM GMT
    Do you have a link to an article about this assault?
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    Aug 07, 2012 3:03 PM GMT
    http://www.projectqatlanta.com/news_articles/view/atlantic_station_accounts_of_gay_bashing_differ
  • great_scott

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    Aug 07, 2012 3:21 PM GMT
    Latenight30 saidWhen do you learn and who teaches us to be aware of our surroundings?
    What do you do when you are attacked? (I hope no one ever has this happen)


    How about fighting them back? We're all men, especially when it's just one man versus another. If someone attacks you, attack them back. Simple. We should all be aware of our surroundings, gay or str8.
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    Aug 07, 2012 3:22 PM GMT
    great_scott said
    Latenight30 saidWhen do you learn and who teaches us to be aware of our surroundings?
    What do you do when you are attacked? (I hope no one ever has this happen)


    How about fighting them back? We're all men, especially when it's just one man versus another. If someone attacks you, attack them back. Simple. We should all be aware of our surroundings, gay or str8.


    This. Whoever attacked me will eternally regret that decision when I knock some teeth out of his underdeveloped sloping skull.
  • Splendidus_1

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    Aug 07, 2012 3:30 PM GMT
    I think deep down I'm constanly building lots of rage, and I actually think I'd like having someone picking on me, so I could let loose all of it.

    Ever since I stopped playing volleyball, there's just no escapatory for all this rage, so I feel sorry for the first guy who puts himself on the position of calling me "faggot" or "sissy", whichever.

    The problem is that they usually do it in large(r) groups, and I'm sure the fighting scenes aren't like action movies, where they come one at a time, and are knocked out with a simple push, or punch.
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    Aug 07, 2012 6:08 PM GMT
    I want to see someone try to beat me up for my orientation.....just try and see what happens. We are all men, being gay or bi does not mean we just let them hit us. I was taught to always fight back so that still pertains to me.
  • havingfunmtl9...

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    Aug 07, 2012 6:13 PM GMT
    My friend and I were literally hit by a car in the gay village in MTL while a group of guys yelled at us about being 'un-natural freaks' from inside the car. It is going to happen no matter where you go and unfortunately most people wont even step up to help (three people witnessed it, no one even came to see if we were okay, despite my friend bleeding all over the place).
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    Aug 07, 2012 6:27 PM GMT
    Wait for the guy that comes and comments that this only happens in the South. Sad to see hatred in all cities.
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    Aug 07, 2012 6:31 PM GMT
    This kind of shit only happens in the South.
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    Aug 07, 2012 6:34 PM GMT
    Krankheit said
    showme saidThis kind of shit only happens in the South.

    provocateur


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    Aug 07, 2012 6:50 PM GMT
    Situational awareness.. no one has it these days. Every time I'm out in public, I can see so many people that are just easy targets.

    It's foolish to think that you won't be a victim of.crime even in the "safest" neighborhoods. And it's just as foolish to think that someone will help you when you are being attacked.
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    Aug 07, 2012 8:28 PM GMT
    I'm at Atlantic Station as I type. For those who haven't been to ATL in a while, there was an old steel mill just west of the LGBT mecca Midtown community, that was converted about 5 years ago into shops, bars, restaurants, apartments, and skyscraping offices and condos. If you saw the Atlanta Tennis Open on ESPN a couple weeks ago, that was where this is.

    Many treat it as The New Downtown. There are always plenty of gay folks that come here to shop and dine, go to the movies and/or workout, or at the least are there to see and be seen. By the same token, there are loads of high-school-aged children and high-school-minded adults who go there in attempts to impress their dates and thug-buddies (they shop, too, though). I'll go out on a limb to suspect the assailant was someone in that latter typecast. The "OMG, there are gay people intown!" demographic is fun to watch, but only from a distance.

    There will definitely be human resource repercussions for the APD officers involved... the LGBT community is still unnerved after the infamous Eagle bar raid a few years ago. Because A-Station operates like an outdoor mall, they have their own "Public Safety" rent-a-cop force that (just my opinion from seeing them in action) fit the mold of the security guards that think too highly of themselves, if they're thinking at all. The place opened a few years after 9/11, and their Public Safety officers' primary job was to accost and threaten anyone taking a picture of the skyscrapers "without written permission." icon_confused.gif

    Also, because the place operates like a new big ol' self-conscious mall, there is surveillance camera equipment EVERYWHERE. I don't doubt there was a camera that caught the assault, but whether a Public Safety officer was asleep at the wheel as it was going on is another matter.
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    Aug 08, 2012 2:17 AM GMT
    Latenight30 said
    What do you do when you are attacked? (I hope no one ever has this happen)
    It's already happened three times. Each time was different, and was handled differently.

    Once I curled up in a ball till the group finished kicking.

    Once I was knocked out with the first punch.

    Once I broke free from a strangle hold, got my gun, and shot the fucker's pickup as he sped away.
  • TroyAthlete

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    Aug 08, 2012 2:31 AM GMT
    The Chick-fil-A bigots strike again.
  • HottJoe

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    Aug 08, 2012 3:03 AM GMT
    Splendidus_1 saidI think deep down I'm constanly building lots of rage, and I actually think I'd like having someone picking on me, so I could let loose all of it.

    Ever since I stopped playing volleyball, there's just no escapatory for all this rage, so I feel sorry for the first guy who puts himself on the position of calling me "faggot" or "sissy"


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    Aug 08, 2012 12:40 PM GMT
    http://projectqatlanta.com/news_articles/view/Victim_Atlantic_Station_gay_bashing_not_big_deal?gid=11662

    Project Q AtlantaA suspect has not been identified in the incident. But the police report notes that surveillance cameras are located in the area where the attack took place.


    As I suspected (noted above), there are cameras likely to be right where this assault allegedly happened. Had this been a female, AND if the assault is on tape, then it would already be on Nancy Grace complete with a #ShoppingCenterBashing hashtag and a panel of loudmouthed so-called experts insistent on going around in circles yelling at each other to get to the bottom of it. Because it's a gay male, then it seems the authorities and the non-LGBT media prefer to take the poor man at his word, by treating it as "no big deal."

    Noteworthy about the response is the APD officer's report:

    APD ReportThe victim stated [he] was walking in the West district area near Atlantic, when he asked a couple for directions. Mr. Parker advised that the male asked him, “Are You Gay” Mr. Parker replied “Yes” that’s when the subject a W/M punched him in his face. Mr. Parker Stated he fell to the ground and struck his head. Mr. Parker advised several times that it was not a big deal, and did not want medical treatment. Grady unit 282 transported Mr. Parker to Emory University Hospital for treatment.


    Compare that with the report issued by the victim's friend, who happens to run a support center for homeless LGBT youth:

    http://projectqatlanta.com/news_articles/view/Atlantic_Station_fumbles_response_to_gay_assault?gid=11646

    Project Q Atlanta“I was inside the party when the victim arrived with injuries and stayed with him through treatment at the emergency room,” Swicord says in his statement. “I have the blood stains on my shirt where I held him as he cried on my shoulder.”

    The victim told Swicord that as he emerged from the parking deck, he asked a person on the street for directions.

    “This man responded by asking, ‘Are you a fag?’ The victim answered, ‘Yes, I suppose I am’ and received a punch in the face so hard it threw him to the ground and requiring medical attention,” Swicord says.


    As for the A-Station security guard, who is probably used to breaking up petty scuffles during his shift, he probably thought he had to remove a patron after a run-in in the bar, "restoring order" and whatnot...

    Project Q Atlanta“At first, [he] informed asked us to leave the property because of an incident. I was lucky enough to catch the attention of the facility manager and asked him, why we were being thrown out? He quickly jumped in and instructed the security guard that we need to file a report,” Swicord says.

    The security officer recorded basic details of the incident but said it could take up to six weeks before a report would be available. When Swicord attempted to take a photo of the officer, he held up his hand to block the photo. The Atlantic Station guard was also hesitant to notify Atlanta police, who have a mini-precinct in the retail center.

    “There was no compassion in this security officer for the victim. He was reluctant to take a report and document the incident,” Swicord says.

    Swicord also says that an off-duty uniformed Atlanta police officer was hesitant to take action or file a report. But Swicord says he and Philip Rafshoon, a longtime LGBT activist and business owner, insisted and called Atlanta police LGBT liaison Officer Brian Sharp, who spoke with the off-duty officer.

    “Only after that did the attitudes seem to change
    and Grady EMS was called and an on duty APD officer came on scene,” Swicord says.


    How would this alleged incident get treated if he had no major LGBT connections in the community and no LGBT liaison officer on his local police force? He would've probably just gone into hiding like the gentleman in Southwest Atlanta tried to do a few months ago and kept it to himself. A report might never have gotten filed.

    I'll note that on the infamous Eagle bar raid, the LGBT liaison at the time was not informed by her fellow employees until AFTER the raid. And here, both the security officer and the APD policeman were about to fumble the ball again, before a patron who just so happened to have the liaison's number called for them. It shouldn't just be one side of the community contacting a liaison for assistance. They gotta straighten that out.

    Project Q AtlantaSwicord says the victim was cut above his right eye and needed five stitches as he was treated at Emory University Hospital Midtown. He also suffered a bruise below his eye, which may have been caused when he fell to the ground after being punched.

    “Hours after the incident the victim began feeling more of the pain of what he went through as the surge of adrenaline from the attack wore off. We departed the emergency room at about 5 a.m.,” Swicord says.

    The victim told Swicord that his attacker was a white man with a muscular build was between 5’9” and 6’ tall. The assailant was accompanied by a female.


    I ought to assume they've checked the cameras and can't find footage of the incident or anyone fleeing. I really hope so. Otherwise, if they've got an image of Clyde and Bonnie, where's the media release? Any chance Clyde has assaulted people before, or assaulted someone again while police and the shopping center are fumbling around trying to paper this over?
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    Aug 08, 2012 12:47 PM GMT
    As dumb or "girlie" as it may sound, I am actually a huge advocate for people taking self-defense classes. Fighting is a natural instinct but when you have lesss experience than the other person, you can be done quick. Also fighting back is extremely exhausting so you need to learn how to be most efficient in defending yourself. I was one of two guys in the class and it was scary for me to see just how vulnerable all the young women in the class were to being attacked. More than likely, if a guy had wanted to rape one of the, he could succeed.
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    Aug 08, 2012 12:50 PM GMT
    One of my friend's just posted this from last night in Houston:

    "Public Service Announcement: Last night my friend was leaving a bar in Montrose when some guy jumped out of a car, sprayed him 'mace,' called him a queer and then drove off--all under 10 seconds. Apparently there have been several instances of this recently. It's important to bring awareness that this kind of stuff is going on, so please: be careful and aware of your surroundings and avoid going out alone around the bars at night. Grab a friend to go with you!"

    Not surprised stuff like this will be going on after the big chick-fil-a fuck-a-fag-fest
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    Aug 08, 2012 1:06 PM GMT
    Some awful accounts of assaults posted above. It's not surprising unfortunately that the unrelenting verbal and written assaults on LGBT people is complemented with the physical ones. Respond in any way, and suddenly "we're just as much the bullies as the assailants are," we'd be told. Just as harrowing is the ten-foot-pole treatment of the victims after these assaults, by other people in the so-called community (bystanders, authorities, community 'leaders' who are usually just religionists with microphones).