GOPers for Obama??

  • auryn

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    Aug 12, 2008 7:07 PM GMT
    K, so color me surprised...

    GOPers for Obama Rip McCain On Georgia

    "A group of prominent Republicans supporting Barack Obama took to a conference call Tuesday morning to tout their preferred candidate, make the case for other GOPers to cross party lines, and warn about the dangers of John McCain's foreign policy."

    "...former Rep. Jim Leach, former Sen. Lincoln Chafee and Rita Hauser (a national intelligence expert who served in the Bush administration), offered at times sharp lines of criticism for the presumptive Republican nominee."

    "As part of their Republicans-for-Obama effort, the group said they would be launch a website in the next few days that would, primarily, contrast Obama's positions against McCain's through a Republican lens. 'It will encourage others to come on because they will see that there is a growing number of Republicans around the country that support him,' said Hauser.

    The imperative was there, said Leach. It was simply a matter of showing Republicans the shortcomings of the current administration and convincing them that Obama was within their political mainstream."


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    Aug 12, 2008 7:10 PM GMT
    It isn't too surprising. As you know, I am quote the poll whore. Data shows that Obama does really well with Independents and Republicans compared to Kerry and Gore. In fact, last months narrowing of national figures had nothing to do with weakening support for Obama among Independents and Republicans but showed Democrats becoming less inclined to vote. Now that is surprising.


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    Aug 12, 2008 7:18 PM GMT
    MunchingZombie saidIt isn't too surprising. As you know, I am quote the poll whore. Data shows that Obama does really well with Independents and Republicans compared to Kerry and Gore. In fact, last months narrowing of national figures had nothing to do with weakening support for Obama among Independents and Republicans but showed Democrats becoming less inclined to vote. Now that is surprising.




    Surprising and depressing. I don't understand how people who have the benefit of living in a democracy (unlike many around the world) can choose not to vote. More than a few times I have held my nose and voted. I even vote in municipal elections.

    If the Republicans win in November because some Democractic voters are sulking, then, well never mind.
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  • auryn

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    Aug 12, 2008 8:27 PM GMT
    Well, I guess if there can be Gay Democrats for Flipper McWheresmycane, then there can be high ranking Republicans for President Obama.

    http://www.republicansforobama.org/ Looks like the url is already up.
  • MuslDrew

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    Aug 12, 2008 10:05 PM GMT
    Auryn saidWell, I guess if there can be Gay Democrats for Flipper McWheresmycane, then there can be high ranking Republicans for President Obama.

    http://www.republicansforobama.org/ Looks like the url is already up.

    Thanks for posting this. I sent it out to all my Republican friends.
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    Aug 12, 2008 10:14 PM GMT
    Auryn saidWell, I guess if there can be Gay Democrats for Flipper McWheresmycane, then there can be high ranking Republicans for President Obama.

    http://www.republicansforobama.org/ Looks like the url is already up.


    Are there actually Gay Democrats for Grandpa Simpson? Gay Republicans, yes.
  • MuslDrew

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    Aug 12, 2008 10:18 PM GMT
    1969er said
    Auryn saidWell, I guess if there can be Gay Democrats for Flipper McWheresmycane, then there can be high ranking Republicans for President Obama.

    http://www.republicansforobama.org/ Looks like the url is already up.


    Are there actually Gay Democrats for Grandpa Simpson? Gay Republicans, yes.

    Does the RNC acknowledge any Republicans as gay?
  • auryn

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    Aug 12, 2008 10:35 PM GMT
    1969er said
    Auryn saidWell, I guess if there can be Gay Democrats for Flipper McWheresmycane, then there can be high ranking Republicans for President Obama.

    http://www.republicansforobama.org/ Looks like the url is already up.


    Are there actually Gay Democrats for Grandpa Simpson? Gay Republicans, yes.


    Unfortunately, yes. http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/255012/
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    Aug 13, 2008 3:48 AM GMT
    yes, i think he will do well.
    While I have been a supporter of Obama, I was a little concerned to hear from contacts back East (in the Beltway) that Obama's recent trip abroad to various countries was actually funded by some "higher ups" in the Republican party and "handlers" in the current administration as a way to introduce him to some of the people they have been dealing with in a "less that legal way"....especially in some of their shady/illegal financial dealings.
    So i hope that they are not trying to "move him to the dark side" so to speak. LOL. And if they are, I hope that he will rise above it.
    I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens and find out what kind of man he is.
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    Aug 13, 2008 6:19 AM GMT
    My whole family on both my Mom's side and my Dad's have been registered Repubs forever. We had a huge discussion around the dinner table at a family get together this summer and it looks like just about everybody's jumping ship and voting Obama!! I think that's way cool. They all think Grampie McSame is just Bush all over again and this country will really be irretrievably in the toilet after 4 more years of that same shit. :>)
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    Aug 13, 2008 6:32 AM GMT
    the problem for obama is that mccain is appealing to democrats and independents as well. if the gop were running a romney or huckabee, there's no way the polls would be this close.

    as the only gay republican college student in nyc (haha), i wish mccain wasn't trying to appeal to the other side so much, but it doesn't even matter. this election is just a thumbs up or thumbs down on obama...our guy is just the other choice.
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    Aug 13, 2008 6:47 AM GMT
    Color me not surprised. Rep. Leach and former Sen. Chaffee are "prominent Republicans" supporting Obama?! Are you kidding me?! That is like saying Zell Miller is a "prominent Democrat" supporting Bush or McCain. icon_rolleyes.gif Both of these "Republicans" have always voted with the Democrats a majority of the time, just like former Sen. Miller always voted with the Republicans.

    No real "Republican" would ever vote for the most left-leaning senator in the United States Senate for President. What a desperate ploy by the Democrats to try to make Obama look like a moderate. There is one moderate running in this election. And he is not Barack Obama.
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    Aug 13, 2008 7:04 AM GMT
    That sounds really encouraging. Those lunch-table discussions tend to be meaningful.

    By the way, the gentleman from Atlanta is correct, this is a group of pretty iconoclastic Republicans (kind of like old-fashioned Republicans) that are hardly representative of some underlying sea change. I would be surprised if Chaffee and Leach did not support Obama.

    I hope Senator Obama wins (and I am a registered Republican and have been for 26 years), however I don't see Senator McCain as his obstacle to the Presidency.

    The obstacle, in my opinion, is that he won the Democratic nomination without Florida, Ohio, or Michigan. There is going to have to be a very-serious consolidation in the Democratic party if they have any hope of winning in November, and I am not seeing anything like that happening.

    The conventions should be extremely interesting.

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    ICANTAKEIT saidMy whole family on both my Mom's side and my Dad's have been registered Repubs forever. We had a huge discussion around the dinner table at a family get together this summer and it looks like just about everybody's jumping ship and voting Obama!! I think that's way cool. They all think Grampie McSame is just Bush all over again and this country will really be irretrievably in the toilet after 4 more years of that same shit. :>)
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    Aug 14, 2008 3:54 AM GMT
    ursamajor saidThe obstacle, in my opinion, is that he won the Democratic nomination without Florida, Ohio, or Michigan. There is going to have to be a very-serious consolidation in the Democratic party if they have any hope of winning in November, and I am not seeing anything like that happening.


    This is a completely different election from the last two. Obama's position in the polls in Ohio and Michigan has been extremely favorable compared to Kerry/Bush this far out from election day.

    Obama is keeping competitive states like Indiana, which has voted for a Dem once in the last 15 elections. He is ahead in a Alaska poll, which has only voted for a Democrat once in its history. Virginia is in a dead heat. Pennsylvania looks as solidly blue as Oregon. North Carolina is in a statistical tie. New Mexico and Colorado have been leaning blue consistently since the nominees were chosen.

    One thing is clear, Obama has many paths to victory, most of which do not require he wins Florida, and many which do not require Ohio.

    John McCain only has one - win every Bush state - and the polls make that seem very unlikely.
  • GQjock

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    Aug 14, 2008 10:34 AM GMT
    What I don't like is that the television media coverage is SO one sided...
    where EVERY utterance and photo of Obama is analysized int eh worst light over and over again

    Grampy McSame? Eh...Not so much icon_rolleyes.gif

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    Aug 14, 2008 10:42 AM GMT
    stonecoldfoxboy said There is one moderate running in this election. And he is not Barack Obama.


    I assume you mean Bob Barr. Because McCain is only a moderate if you're the sort of person who worries that Rush Limbaugh has secret socialist tendencies.
    Moreover, that "most left-leaning" label is applied routinely to every Democratic nominee. Surprise: the group that "rates" these things is a right-wing think tank. Kerry was labeled "most liberal", so was Gore.

    In fact, my problem with Obama, and I spotted it early on, is that he is deeply CONSERVATIVE, and he ran left to beat Hillary in the primaries, but is showing his real political orientation now. What we are seeing---watching him cave to right-wing pressure--is exactly what we're going to get. Call this the Clinton Third Term.

    The irony is that Hillary's presidency would, I believe, have been actually liberal and progressive.
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    Aug 14, 2008 11:56 AM GMT
    jprichva,

    I am with you. I don't think Obama is that liberal and he's clearly moving to the right. I'm still voting for him, but I'd really like to get a liberal president after being under Republicans most of my life. We can see the culmination of Republican control of the legislature for over a decade and Republican presidents for most of the last 40 years.

    What I don't get is why the right goes on and on and on about liberalism when liberalism, particularly political liberalism, has been declining since Nixon took office.

    The US lags behind all other western countries in most matters aside from tax cuts, trade, and growth, yet the right never lets up on how liberalism is to blame for everything even though conservatives have increased control of all branches of government since 1980.

    My point is that even Democrats are Republican-lite.
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    Aug 14, 2008 12:17 PM GMT
    It's a trick and a trap!!! icon_twisted.gif
  • auryn

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    Aug 14, 2008 9:01 PM GMT
    RyanReBoRn saidIt's a trick and a trap!!! icon_twisted.gif


    icon_eek.gif I would never!

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    Aug 16, 2008 9:48 AM GMT
    First of all this shows a classic case of media bias when they report in their first paragraph that a group from the GOP have misgivings about Senator McCain, there are only three. Few people read beyond the first few paragraphs. Most only go with the headlines.

    Then; they show their cowardice towards russia when they're worried about McCain being "belicose" towards russia. There's the heart of the matter.

    The invasion of the Republic of Georgia isn't just a flare up. The russians didn't build their powerful war machine just for May day parades. Putin is building a new Soviet Union, I warned you about this last June. The invasion of Georgia today is just like the Nazi invasion of Austria and Czechoslovakia in 1938.

    McCain is right, like Churchill was right. If we don't stand up to the russians now, we will have to in the future when they're much stronger and wiser. The russians know that they aren't up to the Cold War tactics and so, will probably behave more like the Nazis.

    The "three" GOP stooges also suggest that "international institutions" be used to resolve the crisis. This means, take the Neville Chamberlain approach because russia is a permanent member of the UN security council. International institutions are useless.

    American military forces could easily humiliate the russians and destroy the careers and ambitions of Putin and Mevedev. We should support an ally. If we show resolve and send our military in, the russian people will hang Putin and Medvedev for seeing thousands of russians coming home in body bags.

  • GQjock

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    Aug 16, 2008 11:47 AM GMT
    We couldn't stand up to Russia right now if WE TRIED

    Don't you understand..
    your republican President broke the military

    we're over stretched over utilized and demoralized via privatization
    If you think we can keep our Occupation going in Iraq
    Stay in Afghanistan and fight the Russians?
    Are you kidding me man?

    and besides this is a purely political move
    we tried to get a pro-western break away republic inching its way toward NATO
    and Russia Said... Nyet

    and why Now?
    Why did Condi meet with Georgia's President in July?
    That the admin is so hell bent on saying that nothing to do with this situation
    and WHAT THE HELL did KARL ROVE have to say when he met with him in Yalta a few days later?

    Yeah let's fight Russia...the evil empire
    typical rightwingnut claptrap
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    Aug 16, 2008 7:35 PM GMT
    GQjock, so what the hell do you know about the American military? It's tough as nails and an awesome power to behold.

    Compared to the US Military, Russia's military is an empty shell. Stand up to it and it will crack.

    When Syria and North Korea got together to build nukes the Israelis bombed the crap out of their facility. The one defended by the best air defense system the russians could build. Israel didn't lose a plane.

    Call russia's bluff and they will shrink like a spider on a hot stove.



  • GQjock

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    Aug 16, 2008 8:16 PM GMT
    OK I'll be whistling Dixie until Bush takes you up on your offer....

    Think I'll make it to the second verse?icon_rolleyes.gif
  • t0theheights

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    Aug 21, 2008 12:46 AM GMT
    Good idea... let's start a war with the second-biggest nuclear power in the world at the same time we are already failing at two other wars. Do you have to take a stupidity test to join the GOP these days??
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    Aug 21, 2008 1:17 AM GMT
    GQJock:

    It's funny how right-wing tools always point to MSNBC as an example of how "ALL OF THE MEDIA" is so left-wing biased, while left-wing tools point to Fox as evidence that "ALL OF THE MEDIA" is right-wing biased.

    Face it, folks: if you're watching either Keith Olbermann or Bill O'Reilly, you are not doing it because you want to see a real news program; so stop complaining when you don't get "balanced" coverage from it.