‘Guardian’ retracts claim that Tel Aviv is capital

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    Aug 09, 2012 5:31 PM GMT
    ‘Guardian’ retracts claim that Tel Aviv is capital
    British newspaper amends style guide following media watchdog's threat of judicial review.


    http://www.jpost.com/International/Article.aspx?id=280584

    LONDON – The Guardian has retracted a claim it made that Tel Aviv is the capital of Israel, issuing a correction on Wednesday in its print edition and online.

    The newspaper said it had been wrong to refer to Tel Aviv as the capital city of the Jewish state and it has amended its Style Guide accordingly.

    “We accept that it is wrong to state that Tel Aviv – the country's financial and diplomatic center – is the capital,” it said.

    In April, the newspaper issued a correction to a photo caption – that had featured passengers on a tram in Jerusalem observing a two-minute silence for Holocaust Remembrance Day – stating that it had wrongly referred to Jerusalem as the Israeli capital.

    “The Guardian Style Guide states: Jerusalem is not the capital of Israel; Tel Aviv is,” it stated.

    Jerusalem-based media monitors HonestReporting complained to the UK’s Press Complaints Commission at the time and the media regulator issued a ruling in May declaring that Tel Aviv was indeed Israel’s capital.

    HonestReporting then took initial steps to file for a judicial review. This forced the PCC to withdraw its ruling and demand that the Guardian defend its position.

    The media monitor organization said the Guardian backed down following the threat of judicial review and issued a correction. It also changed its Style Guide, which had stated that Tel Aviv is the capital of Israel, to reflect the correction.

    “This correction is a significant achievement against a newspaper that has been a major contributor to the broader delegitimization of Israel in the UK and beyond,” said Joe Hyams, HonestReporting’s chief executive.

    “It is shocking that it has taken the threat of legal action to reverse a decision that was not based on reality. Nonetheless, it was vital that HR took on the Guardian and the PCC as a matter of principle, particularly at a time when Jerusalem’s status as Israel’s capital is increasingly being called into question by the media.”

    HonestReporting said, however, that the Guardian’s correction had not been agreed upon when the newspaper unilaterally terminated its negotiations with HonestReporting and the PCC.

    “Now that the Guardian has admitted that it was wrong, we call on the PCC to issue a new ruling categorically stating that Tel Aviv is not Israel’s capital, so that it is clear to the British media that it will not be allowed to repeat this error.”
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    Aug 09, 2012 5:41 PM GMT
    BBC lists Israel's capital as Jerusalem after complaint
    No capital had been listed on BBC's Israel Olympic country profile


    http://www.jpost.com/NationalNews/Article.aspx?id=278181

    The Prime Minister’s Office launched a campaign last week to get the BBC to recognize that Israel too, like all other countries participating in the Olympics, actually has a capital.

    ...“I am dismayed by the BBC’s decision to discriminate against Israel on the BBC’s Olympic website,” Regev wrote.“Every country (and non-country) participating in the London 2012 games has been given a page on your website with background information about the country, including mention of the capital city. Every country (and non-country), except Israel.”

    “Jerusalem is the capital of the State of Israel, and accordingly we respectfully request the immediate rectification of this matter,” he added.
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    Aug 09, 2012 5:57 PM GMT
    I have no axe to grind on the subject, but the situation is not clear cut and one can hardly blame UK media outlets for the confusion. The UN and most countries (including the US) do not recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital, taking the position that the final status of Jerusalem is pending future negotiations between Israel and the Palestinian Authority.
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    Aug 09, 2012 7:12 PM GMT
    Wolverine4 saidBBC lists Israel's capital as Jerusalem after complaint
    No capital had been listed on BBC's Israel Olympic country profile


    http://www.jpost.com/NationalNews/Article.aspx?id=278181

    The Prime Minister’s Office launched a campaign last week to get the BBC to recognize that Israel too, like all other countries participating in the Olympics, actually has a capital.

    ...“I am dismayed by the BBC’s decision to discriminate against Israel on the BBC’s Olympic website,” Regev wrote.“Every country (and non-country) participating in the London 2012 games has been given a page on your website with background information about the country, including mention of the capital city. Every country (and non-country), except Israel.”

    “Jerusalem is the capital of the State of Israel, and accordingly we respectfully request the immediate rectification of this matter,” he added.


    When losing the PR battle, threaten lawsuits.




    Canada recognizes Tel Aviv as the capital of Israel.

    The status of Jerusalem is pending future negotiations between Israel and the Palestinian Authority.


    This is just a way for Israel to bully other countries into taking their side on Jerusalem in advance.

    This act to outflank the negotiation process demonstrates a lack of good faith on the part of Israel, demonstrating Israel knows Palestine has the more sympathetic claim.



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    Aug 09, 2012 8:15 PM GMT
    Upper_Cdn saidWhen losing the PR battle, threaten lawsuits.

    Yeah, isn't that what the "Gay Agenda" is all about? icon_rolleyes.gif

    We lost the PR battle in Colorado (Amendment 2) and had to run to the courts to overturn it....

    We lost the PR battle in California (Proposal 8 ) and had to run to the courts to overturn it....

    In state after state we're losing the PR battle (on gay marriage) and now we're trying to stack the Federal Courts (by voting for Obama) so we can run to those same courts....


    Upper_Cdn saidThis act to outflank the negotiation process demonstrates a lack of good faith on the part of Israel, demonstrating Israel knows Palestine has the more sympathetic claim.

    Wrong on both counts. Israel has been Jerusalem's capital for more than 60 years, long before present negotiations began.

    I'm sorry that you think the issues should be dealt with based on "sympathies" rather than issues of law and critical thinking.
    (Again, where does that put the "gay agenda", let alone 20 or 50 years ago?)

    I fear you're just displaying your own bias. Are you likewise critical of the PA for negotiating in bad faith? For example, Arafat saying "no to everything" (quoting President Clinton) and not even presenting a counter-offer at Camp David? Running out the clock at Taba? Walking out of negotiations and re-turning to violence and terrorism (the "intifada") - demanding a ransom of unilateral concessions to end the violence and return to the negotiating table? Or presently, in violation of the Oslo Accords, the attempt to circumvent negotiations by seeking UN recognition without first making peace?

    If you wish to actually discuss these issues, here's the right topic for you:

    Revisiting the Clinton Compromise Parameters
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2271313
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    Aug 09, 2012 8:25 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 saidthe situation is not clear cut and one can hardly blame UK media outlets for the confusion. The UN and most countries (including the US) do not recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital, taking the position that the final status of Jerusalem is pending future negotiations between Israel and the Palestinian Authority.

    I'm not at all sure what is confusing. Jerusalem has been Israel's declared capital for over 60 years.
    I wasn't aware that a nation's capital requires "recognition".

    Regarding negotiations, it is the Arab parties who for decades refused to negotiate and who have dragged out negotiations started 20 years ago (constantly walking out in protest rather than negotiating, often resorting to violence in an attempt to improve their negotiating position, currently even abandoning negotiations while pursuing other strategies). If "recognition" of Jerusalem is dependent on present/future negotiations, it is in the interest of the Palestinian Arabs to delay those as long as possible, no?

    In reality, western Jerusalem is not up to negotiation.
    It is the seat of Israel's government (Legislature, High Court, etc.)
    Jerusalem is, as a matter of fact, Israel's capital.

    Attempting to deny this is yielding to anti-Israel political pressure.

    Need further proof?
    Despite your "reasons" above, the BBC's site originally listed the capital of Palestine [which doesn't exist] as "East Jerusalem"!

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    Aug 09, 2012 8:59 PM GMT
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    Need further proof?
    Despite your "reasons" above, the BBC's site originally listed the capital of Palestine [which doesn't exist] as "East Jerusalem"!


    I am really not interested in getting bogged down in the whole Israel v Palestine bun fight. Until the matter is settled, you just have to accept that, as disputed territory, Jerusalem's status as Israel's capital is not recognised by most of the rest of the world. Scoring trivial points with a few minor columns in the media is not going to solve anything.
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    Aug 09, 2012 9:06 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 said
    Wolverine4 said
    Need further proof?
    Despite your "reasons" above, the BBC's site originally listed the capital of Palestine [which doesn't exist] as "East Jerusalem"!


    I am really not interested in getting bogged down in the whole Israel v Palestine bun fight. Until the matter is settled, you just have to accept that, as disputed territory, Jerusalem's status as Israel's capital is not recognised by most of the rest of the world. Scoring trivial points with a few minor columns in the media is not going to solve anything.


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    Aug 09, 2012 9:09 PM GMT
    I agree that the matter needs to be settled at the negotiating table.
    Not via PR wars and popular opinion (as Upper_Cdn and others seem to think.)

    But I did have two smaller points:

    1. Israel's capital is in western Jerusalem, which is NOT disputed territory.
    Has been for over 60 years (long before the 1967 war and the last 20 years of negotiations).

    2. The BBC's bias and hypocrisy showed when they refused to list Jerusalem as Israel's capital (which, listed or not, recognized or not, is a fact) yet it listed "East Jerusalem" as "Palestine's" capital (yet the fact of the matter is that the PA's seat is in Ramallah).
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    Aug 09, 2012 9:40 PM GMT
    You can accuse the BBC of many things, but it does try to be impartial (and has a pretty good reputation for being so). We in the UK had our own Israel/Palestine-style conflict for about 40 years, called the Northern Ireland 'Troubles' (a nice English euphemism for civil war). During this conflict, the BBC managed to tread its way carefully through the minefield of Northern Ireland politics, including its naming conventions. For example, the city of Londonderry is referred to as 'Londonderry' by the 'loyalists' and as 'Derry' by the 'nationalists'. The policy of BBC News was to compromise by using both names in the same report.

    Incidentally, a lot of people had to swallow a lot of pride and take some very dangerous and bold initiatives to bring about peace in Northern Ireland. The Israelis and Palestinians could do a lot worse than to follow their example.
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    Aug 10, 2012 12:05 AM GMT
    It's unfortunate that in this case, the BBC didn't show its impartiality.
    See #1 & #2 above.


    Ex_Mil8 saida lot of people had to swallow a lot of pride and take some very dangerous and bold initiatives to bring about peace in Northern Ireland. The Israelis and Palestinians could do a lot worse than to follow their example.

    And hopefully soon.

    Ever notice that the "bold initiatives" have American and Israeli names (Allon plan, Clinton parameters, Barak Plan, Olmert Plan, etc)?

    (The ONE "Arab initiative" was a "plan in a drawer" that was initially presented to the Arab League by a low-level Saudi delegation and caused the convention to disintegrate. When Israel offered to discuss it (negotiate), there was no response. No wonder it has been likened to "a light without a tunnel.")