German court bans circumcision!

  • luckyjock22

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    Aug 09, 2012 7:49 PM GMT
    JEWISH and Muslim groups in Germany condemned a court ruling yesterday that deemed circumcision to be equivalent to grievous bodily harm.

    The court in Cologne declared that the procedure violated a child's "fundamental right to bodily integrity". Religious groups claimed the ruling could lead to "circumcision tourism".

    The court said the right of the child outweighed that of parents in what legal experts said could be a landmark case.

    The ruling said: "The religious freedom of the parents and their right to educate their child would not be unacceptably compromised if they were obliged to wait until the child could himself decide to be circumcised.

    "The body of the child is irreparably and permanently changed by a circumcision. This change contravenes the interests of the child to decide later on his religious beliefs."

    The case concerned a four-year-old Muslim boy who was circumcised at the request of his parents but was later taken to hospital with bleeding.

    The doctor was charged and tried for grievous bodily harm but was acquitted on the grounds he had parental consent.

    The Cologne ruling is not binding but legal experts said it appeared to clarify a grey area. Jewish and Muslim groups criticised the decision.

    "Circumcision is a fixed part of the Jewish religion and has been practised worldwide for centuries. This religious right is respected in every country in the world," said Dieter Graumann, the head of the Central Committee of Jews. (©Daily Telegraph, London)

    http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/german-court-bans-circumcision-as-assault-on-children-3152582.html
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    Aug 09, 2012 7:56 PM GMT
    Le the young man decide for himslef, and combine a bris and Bar Mitzvah into one big happy party.
  • booboolv

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    Aug 09, 2012 8:00 PM GMT
    I would have said no, if I had been given the opportunity to decline having my dick sliced up when I was a baby.
  • luckyjock22

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    Aug 09, 2012 8:04 PM GMT
    had this been an american court it would have been especially funny!
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    Aug 09, 2012 8:07 PM GMT
    booboolv saidI would have said no, if I had been given the opportunity to decline having my dick sliced up when I was a baby.


    I've heard a lot of guys say this but I've also heard a few uncut guys comment that they wish it had been done when they were babies so they wouldn't have to go through the pain. I feel really bad for the guys who have been deformed by botched circumcisions....
  • TampaENFJ

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    Aug 09, 2012 8:07 PM GMT
    Taken to a hospital for bleeding after a surgical procedure? Shocker.
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    Aug 09, 2012 8:12 PM GMT
    But we can still perform other cosmetic surgeries on babies right? Because I want my child to have some wicked flaming skull tats... just like daddy.

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    Aug 09, 2012 8:14 PM GMT
    It's a very sound decision imo: this case isn't much different from the excision of young girls which is denounced everywhere now. Because it has been practiced (and still is) for centuries does not make it okay, what a silly argument!
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    Aug 09, 2012 8:16 PM GMT
    I like cut ones. I think they are pretty.


    There are much bigger problems in the world that are much more deserving of attention.
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    Aug 09, 2012 8:28 PM GMT
    Circumsion=Mutilation

    Let the owner of the body decide.
  • O5vx

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    Aug 09, 2012 8:54 PM GMT
    If god put it there, why try to change it?
  • Sportsfan1

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    Aug 09, 2012 9:44 PM GMT
    Glad I was circumcised as a very young child. I do not remember any pain or bleeding. I guess the doctor knew what he was doing. I still would have made the decision to be circumcised later in life as that is my preference.
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    Aug 09, 2012 9:51 PM GMT
    n2briefs2 saidCircumsion=Mutilation

    Let the owner of the body decide.


    Trying to explain this to some U.S. people is like beating a dead horse with stick for being dead icon_eek.gif I am grateful my mother didn't slice either of her two sons.
  • luckyjock22

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    Aug 09, 2012 9:54 PM GMT
    Bustamante said
    n2briefs2 saidCircumsion=Mutilation

    Let the owner of the body decide.


    Trying to explain this to some U.S. people is like beating a dead horse with stick for being dead icon_eek.gif I am grateful my mother didn't slice either of her two sons.


    I've always wondered why it is commonplace in America, but not any other country? (except the muslim and jewish ones of course). The whole hygiene reason seems ridiculous to me.
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    Aug 09, 2012 9:54 PM GMT
    That many people really wish they had uncut dicks? I'm fine being circumsized, and I'm glad my parents did it. I would not have wanted to deal with the pain at an older age!
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    Aug 09, 2012 10:01 PM GMT
    Circumcision can make ur penis look ugly as hell and also dry and weird, it depends on the guy but ya. I'm glad my parents didn't give a shit about such thing and let me live as an uncut man icon_biggrin.gif
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    Aug 09, 2012 10:06 PM GMT
    charlitos saidCircumcision can make ur penis look ugly as hell and also dry and weird, it depends on the guy but ya. I'm glad my parents didn't give a shit about such thing and let me live as an uncut man icon_biggrin.gif


    Do most of the porn you watch have uncut dicks? Just curious because I think a lot of guys who are use to seeing cut dicks find uncut unattractive, and vice versa.
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    Aug 09, 2012 10:07 PM GMT
    S34n05 saidThat many people really wish they had uncut dicks? I'm fine being circumsized, and I'm glad my parents did it. I would not have wanted to deal with the pain at an older age!


    Of course you are, that is the norm where you live. If I were american, I would probably prefer to be cut because most other guys would be too. No European guys are cut, hence, they are happy to be uncut because it is the norm.

    Also, I must be really slow because I've just realised what was wrong any time i was with an american guy: the dicks looked weird, the tip just looked too big, but mainly they were way too rough with my dick, uncut dicks need love and affection, they are sensitive creatures! lol
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    Aug 09, 2012 10:20 PM GMT
    luckyjock22 said
    S34n05 saidThat many people really wish they had uncut dicks? I'm fine being circumsized, and I'm glad my parents did it. I would not have wanted to deal with the pain at an older age!


    Of course you are, that is the norm where you live. If I were american, I would probably prefer to be cut because most other guys would be too. No European guys are cut, hence, they are happy to be uncut because it is the norm.

    Also, I must be really slow because I've just realised what was wrong any time i was with an american guy: the dicks looked weird, the tip just looked too big, but mainly they were way too rough with my dick, uncut dicks need love and affection, they are sensitive creatures! lol


    More love and affection for our uncut penises!
  • jayatl56

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    Aug 10, 2012 12:37 AM GMT
    That's not necessarily true - that no European guys are cut. You might be surprised at how many have been cut and for various reasons including just wanting to be cut. www.cuttingclub.de is a site devoted to cut European men. Of course there are a fair amount of American guys there too.
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    luckyjock22 said
    S34n05 saidThat many people really wish they had uncut dicks? I'm fine being circumsized, and I'm glad my parents did it. I would not have wanted to deal with the pain at an older age!


    Of course you are, that is the norm where you live. If I were american, I would probably prefer to be cut because most other guys would be too. No European guys are cut, hence, they are happy to be uncut because it is the norm.

    Also, I must be really slow because I've just realised what was wrong any time i was with an american guy: the dicks looked weird, the tip just looked too big, but mainly they were way too rough with my dick, uncut dicks need love and affection, they are sensitive creatures! lol


    OUCH, you just triggered way to many memories of guys being overly aggressive with my dick.
  • booboolv

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    Aug 10, 2012 1:12 AM GMT
    Myol said
    booboolv saidI would have said no, if I had been given the opportunity to decline having my dick sliced up when I was a baby.


    I've heard a lot of guys say this but I've also heard a few uncut guys comment that they wish it had been done when they were babies so they wouldn't have to go through the pain. I feel really bad for the guys who have been deformed by botched circumcisions....


    Several guys have said they wouldn't want to experience the pain of circumcision as adults. Unless medically warranted, or as a decision made with a partner, why would an adult consider mutilating himself? Having had that decision made for me as an infant maybe I am not able to understand their line of reasoning?

    As for those who have suffered botched circumcisions, there should be some sort of recompense for their misery, IMHO.
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    Aug 17, 2012 5:00 PM GMT
    I was wondering when a courageous court would step up and put a child's physical and sexual welfare ahead of an outdated religious tradition or reckless ignorance on the part of more secularly inclined parents. If the reason isn't urgently medical (And on SOME occasions, it is--but still a huge decision. So the parents or the consenting-age male should def leave the hospital and get a 2nd opinion from a different doctor/specialist who prefers to ONLY perform the procedure as an absolute last resort. It can wait 'til then.), all other reasons are simply too petty to go through w/ this.

    Foreskin is not vestigial like the appendix. There are over forty feet of sexual nerve condensed in that little stretch of skin. (Yes, you read that right. FORTY. FEET.) How is such a huge reduction of a male's future sexual pleasure and freedom justified by religious ceremony or, ahem, "hygenic" reasons?

    As for men who got it done later in life, for every tale of a guy being glad he made the decision to snip when it wasn't medically necessary, there are about three other tales of regret. "It's less sensitive." "The pleasure isn't as intense." "The trade-off in aesthetic conformity was just not worth it. Big mistake." The math is simple.
  • wellwell

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    Aug 17, 2012 5:05 PM GMT
    [quote][cite]n2briefs2 said[/cite]Circumsion=Mutilation

    Let the owner of the body decide. [/quote

    ^^THIS^^
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    Aug 17, 2012 5:11 PM GMT
    wellwell said[quote][cite]n2briefs2 said[/cite]Circumsion=Mutilation

    Let the owner of the body decide. [/quote

    ^^THIS^^


    And ^^THIS^^ again.