Back to basics? Athletism!

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    Aug 12, 2012 7:16 PM GMT
    The situation is:

    The economic situation atm is crap.. its very difficult to find a job I can enjoy, even with 2 master degrees.
    So I just have some thoughts in the past days ( Olympics Games ). I just realized that The time I enjoyed the most in my life (expect travel, ...) is the time I used to practive athletism.
    For 4 years between 11 and 15 yo I used to compete with my school into regional and national for 60, 100, 200 m and triple jump. I did hit some good results. At this time I was the tallest around, already 5'6 at11. Now Im just an average guy....
    I did stop to continue my study. Now I have 2 master degrees, im 23 and not happy.

    I do really think I did a mistake by stopping athletism, and probably to late to go back... I will probably join a club soonish, and see. Maybe a collective sport in a club coud also fill my need. However, to reach results on 100 or triple jump, would be impossible. So any advice on wich sport I could maybe fit in?

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    Aug 12, 2012 9:00 PM GMT
    hot_french_man saidThe situation is:

    The economic situation atm is crap.. its very difficult to find a job I can enjoy, even with 2 master degrees.
    So I just have some thoughts in the past days ( Olympics Games ). I just realized that The time I enjoyed the most in my life (expect travel, ...) is the time I used to practive athletism.
    For 4 years between 11 and 15 yo I used to compete with my school into regional and national for 60, 100, 200 m and triple jump. I did hit some good results. At this time I was the tallest around, already 5'6 at11. Now Im just an average guy....
    I did stop to continue my study. Now I have 2 master degrees, im 23 and not happy.

    I do really think I did a mistake by stopping athletism, and probably to late to go back... I will probably join a club soonish, and see. Maybe a collective sport in a club coud also fill my need. However, to reach results on 100 or triple jump, would be impossible. So any advice on wich sport I could maybe fit in?



    LOL .. you have me wondering, how it is that you cannot spell, yet have a master's degree?
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    Aug 12, 2012 9:06 PM GMT
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    hot_french_man said


    LOL .. you have me wondering, how it is that you cannot spell, yet have a master's degree?

    He's french, and I would suppose .his degrees are at French universities and he hasnt learned English that well yet.
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    Aug 12, 2012 9:42 PM GMT
    Caslon20000 said
    AMoonHawk said
    hot_french_man said


    LOL .. you have me wondering, how it is that you cannot spell, yet have a master's degree?

    He's french, and I would suppose .his degrees are at French universities and he hasnt learned English that well yet.

    I only buy that to a certain degree ... in the computer age we have spell checker and language translators ... when you are typing into the Message section, all the misspelled words are underlined in red, (right click and you might be shown a number of spelling options) and if you are using a translator program like babble fish to translate from, say, French to English, it is not going to misspell words.
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    Aug 12, 2012 10:07 PM GMT
    Caslon20000 said
    AMoonHawk said
    hot_french_man said


    LOL .. you have me wondering, how it is that you cannot spell, yet have a master's degree?

    He's french, and I would suppose .his degrees are at French universities and he hasnt learned English that well yet.
    ...but he's using technology. Spell check and auto correct are available... Unless, he taught them to be wrong!
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    Aug 12, 2012 10:09 PM GMT
    AMoonHawk said
    Caslon20000 said
    AMoonHawk said
    hot_french_man said


    LOL .. you have me wondering, how it is that you cannot spell, yet have a master's degree?

    He's french, and I would suppose .his degrees are at French universities and he hasnt learned English that well yet.

    I only buy that to a certain degree ... in the computer age we have spell checker and language translators ... when you are typing into the Message section, all the misspelled words are underlined in red, (right click and you might be shown a number of spelling options) and if you are using a translator program like babble fish to translate from, say, French to English, it is not going to misspell words.


    Hey, I have three degrees and misspell all the time. It's because I type superfast and don't bother to proof before hitting submit. I don't care about your spelling nazi penchant. I do what I want.
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    Aug 13, 2012 2:43 AM GMT
    What the hell difference does it make about the spelling? Do you not understand what he was saying??

    You missed the point of his post to be an ass
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    Aug 13, 2012 3:01 AM GMT
    Oh, you're in the UK. I was going to commiserate about the job situation in france, and Hollande... but nevermind icon_razz.gif What about rugby? Totally impressed that you have two masters degrees at 23!
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    Aug 13, 2012 3:01 AM GMT
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    You missed the point of his post to be an ass


    Being able to do that is a prerequisite to join RJ.
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    Aug 13, 2012 3:26 AM GMT
    I'm a bit confused from your first post as to whether you're looking for a sport that you could pursue professionally since you can't find work, or you're looking for one that will make you feel happier.

    In any event, it's not too late to start athletics again and to practise it as an end in itself. I enjoyed athletics in high school even though I was never near the calibre to win races or events. A lot of the satisfaction comes from pushing your boundaries and constantly improving yourself.

    Otherwise, look through the Olympics program for a sport that piques your interest icon_smile.gif
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    Aug 13, 2012 3:49 AM GMT
    If you like track and fields, make a come back.
    At 23, you're still a boy, I stopped competing at 40yo.
    As for results, yes, 100m is unlikely, but for triple jump, there is a huge gap between regional and national level, so you can have fun if you have some speed and already know the technical basics.

    As for the mistake... well, if you had put all your eggs in sport, you could as well be jobless, with broken knees, damaged lower back, and no college degree. Not sure it would be better.
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    Aug 13, 2012 4:32 AM GMT
    HAVING A DEGREE MEANS YOU'RE SMARTER THAN OTHER PEOPLE #NOTREALLY
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    Aug 13, 2012 4:35 AM GMT
    AMoonHawk saidI only buy that to a certain degree ... in the computer age we have spell checker and language translators ... when you are typing into the Message section, all the misspelled words are underlined in red, (right click and you might be shown a number of spelling options) and if you are using a translator program like babble fish to translate from, say, French to English, it is not going to misspell words.
    Maybe he's not using a translator program and instead is using the English language with his current knowledge of the language in an attempt to better himself at it instead of resorting to the easy way out with spell-check.
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    Aug 13, 2012 6:26 AM GMT
    AMoonHawk said
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    LOL .. you have me wondering, how it is that you cannot spell, yet have a master's degree?

    He's french, and I would suppose .his degrees are at French universities and he hasnt learned English that well yet.

    I only buy that to a certain degree ... in the computer age we have spell checker and language translators ... when you are typing into the Message section, all the misspelled words are underlined in red, (right click and you might be shown a number of spelling options) and if you are using a translator program like babble fish to translate from, say, French to English, it is not going to misspell words.


    Sorry guys for the mistakes. Indeed the words are underlined in red, but checking French misspelling mistake, not English. I used to live in Australia, and came back 4 years ago now. I don’t have the opportunity to practice my English as much as I would like, and sometime my English is a bit rusty when it comes to write. But just consider that French is my mother tongue, then I learned German, and start to learn English way after. I will be more carreful in the futur
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    Aug 13, 2012 7:07 AM GMT
    Let’s go back to the thread subject.
    First, I’m not in London anymore (my mistake, I will change my profile statement) I’m back to my hometown in France.
    To resume, I stopped practicing Athletism because I was very good at school, and could follow almost any career I wanted (expected French or English teacher, too much spelling mistakes ahah icon_lol.gificon_smile.gif.
    I choose to be an Architect, and also did an engineer master degree. Thanks to my results I had the opportunity to follow a part of my study in Australia, and I have to admit it was the best year I had in my entire life.
    In the past days, I realized that my job doesn’t give me joy as much as I expected.
    The point is that I just think I lost the most important thing in life, happiness. I run after my career, I did my best to finish my study at 22, kept my private life on hold.... In the USA, sport takes a big place into universities development, and its totally different here in France. As my parents are from the lower part of the middle class, they always told me that study is the only thing that could help me to gain a better life.
    So now, I am 23, no permanent job (freelance), and not happy. Following a sport career could have changed that.
    Sport depends on you, only you are involved. Not matter what happen in the world, you run, jump or swim. You back to basics. You don’t need anybody to invest into your job or wait to see the economic situation getting better.

    Be clear, I’m not whining about my situation, it could have been worse. But as everyone, I looking for the right balance in my life, and would like to have some feedback from some guys who followed a sport career.


    PS: just noticed that I don’t used translator, I think its dull people. If you are able to speak English or another language, makes the effort to do so. It helps to improve your level, and being automatically corrected doesn’t help. If my English level isn’t good enough, just deal with it.

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    Aug 13, 2012 7:09 AM GMT
    WhyWhySee saidThis isn't his thesis.


    ..it's not? icon_confused.gif ? I probably shouldn't have deducted so many points for him failing to provide a references page...
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    Aug 13, 2012 8:22 AM GMT
    Thank your lucky stars you got the degree you did instead of pursuing some utterly pointless goal of becoming the best triple jumper around. Your parents were very, very right. If only more parents performed the quite necessary task of crushing crazy dreams, instead of treating life as if it were one giant damn Montessori school.

    If you want a full time job, my suggestion is learn Chinese or Hindi, and move. You'll find more building there than you can imagine.

    However every young person on the planet has to deal with the disappointment of graduating, and then finding that the world wasn't waiting with bated breath to hand them the most interesting jobs with no experience. It's a shock, and an adjustment. However by the time you are my ripe old age, you'll have made that adjustment and will be enjoying increasingly satisfying work in a meaningful field. Unless you decide to join the circus or pursue the rock solid career of jumping really far.

    Happiness is where expectation meets achievement.
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    Aug 13, 2012 9:06 AM GMT
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    principal0 saidIf only more parents performed the quite necessary task of crushing crazy dreams, instead of treating life as if it were one giant damn Montessori school.

    In other news, there will be no Christmas celebrations in Whoville this season.


    My kids will be read to from "The Intelligent Investor" by Benjamin Graham, and will go to school in Singapore.
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    Aug 13, 2012 9:19 AM GMT
    OP, I sympathise with you because I know how utterly shit the job market is in France especially for young people. One of my friends has got the two masters too, but in agricultural engineering, and is contemplating a PhD just to get something more than internships in the Parisian suburbs. She'd move to Australia if she could.

    Are you looking back through your previous years, finding what brought you joy, and perhaps romanticising that time ? With sports, it's not just solitary and outside of the economy - your family, friends, coaches, team, possibly government or athletics body would be invested in you, either in time, funding, effort, travel, support etc. There are Australian Olympians who are still doing their studies alongside their chosen sport because they know they can't be a top athlete forever.

    Maybe a sport career may have changed things for you. But this is now, the present. 'What ifs' won't help you with your unhappiness. What in your daily life currently brings you joy ? Is there any aspect of your job that still interests you ? Maybe it's only subtle, or a fleeting moment, but by paying attention to this feeling of joy you can start to turn your situation around when you have so much opportunity at your fingertips.

    And somewhat off topic, it would be a delight to have you back in Australia icon_biggrin.gif

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    Aug 13, 2012 10:09 AM GMT
    Finding joy in physical activity, improves life quality.

    there's no reason why you shouldn't take up sports again. reaching a competitive top level however, is not very realistic. do it for the fun of it, and your own personal improvement.
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    Aug 13, 2012 11:05 AM GMT
    kangourou saidOP, I sympathise with you because I know how utterly shit the job market is in France especially for young people. One of my friends has got the two masters too, but in agricultural engineering, and is contemplating a PhD just to get something more than internships in the Parisian suburbs. She'd move to Australia if she could.

    Are you looking back through your previous years, finding what brought you joy, and perhaps romanticising that time ? With sports, it's not just solitary and outside of the economy - your family, friends, coaches, team, possibly government or athletics body would be invested in you, either in time, funding, effort, travel, support etc. There are Australian Olympians who are still doing their studies alongside their chosen sport because they know they can't be a top athlete forever.

    Maybe a sport career may have changed things for you. But this is now, the present. 'What ifs' won't help you with your unhappiness. What in your daily life currently brings you joy ? Is there any aspect of your job that still interests you ? Maybe it's only subtle, or a fleeting moment, but by paying attention to this feeling of joy you can start to turn your situation around when you have so much opportunity at your fingertips.

    And somewhat off topic, it would be a delight to have you back in Australia icon_biggrin.gif



    I tried for the past year to come back to Australia. However, the situation is tight in australia too. I had few interviews, and the last one finished with: well, you got qualifications, working experience. however lots of australians are looking for job atm (architect). The actual situation is due to the lack of economical rigidness of USA and Europe. You made the world crack down, stay in your shit!" After that interview I decide to stop job hunting around australia, at least for a while.

    The right Balance I found in Australia, was coming from job and sport,and a very rich social life. As you said, France isnt as bad as Spain, Italy or greece atm, but as our borders are open, lots of southern european people accept to wok under the legal minimum french salary, its just kill the competition, find it just unfair....

    Anyway, thanks all (most of ) for your thoughts!