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    Aug 12, 2012 7:36 PM GMT
    if being what ever sexual orientation was normal,the world would have been a better place icon_smile.gif
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    Aug 12, 2012 7:37 PM GMT
    I blame religion.
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    Aug 12, 2012 7:45 PM GMT
    I think this goes beyond religion. Even in Buddhism where there is no sacred text declaring homosexuality an abomination and only text against unspecified sexual misconduct, they still interpret that in a way that places heterosexuality as superior and homosexuality as sinful. So even when they don't have any bullshit grounds to be full of shit, they're still full of shit.

    Take away their religions and unenlightened (haha) heterosexuals will still be full of shit.
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    Aug 12, 2012 8:15 PM GMT
    i think people follow what is passed down from generation to generation and use that as a basis for judgement.so if it was passed down as normal,every1 woud b happy... thats wat i think,jus a wild guess here
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    Aug 12, 2012 8:26 PM GMT
    I blame evil .. man is inherently evil ... what better way for men and women of religions to be evil, but still feel good about themselves
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    Aug 12, 2012 8:47 PM GMT
    Daas saidI blame religion.


    I second that notion.
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    Aug 12, 2012 9:14 PM GMT
    easterndude69 said
    Daas saidI blame religion.


    I second that notion.

    That's sort of a silly, nonsensical statement.
    Which religion ... there are thousands of them

    Bahá'í Faith
    Zoroastrianism
    Islam
    Hinduism
    Sikhism
    Buddhism
    Christianity
    Judaism
    Wicans
    Druids
    etc. etc.

    Hitler had no religion, yet he imprisoned and killed thousands of homosexuals.
    Read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_homosexuals_in_Nazi_Germany_and_the_Holocaust

    "Between 1933–45, an estimated 100,000 men were arrested as homosexuals, of whom some 50,000 were officially sentenced.[1] Most of these men served time in regular prisons, and an estimated 5,000 to 15,000 of those sentenced were incarcerated in Nazi concentration camps.[1] It is unclear how many of the 5,000 to 15,000 eventually perished in the camps, but leading scholar Ruediger Lautman believes that the death rate of homosexuals in concentration camps may have been as high as 60%"

    So this would show that religion is not a major factor. Repulicanism is not a religion, it is a political party and it stands against homosexuality. So I would have to sat that it is politics that is to blame.
  • titus8229

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    Aug 13, 2012 12:48 AM GMT
    This actually spiked my interest. I agree, the fault can largely be placed on religion. For those who say political affiliations are the cause, lets not forget Republicans tend to dislike gay people because of their religion.
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    Aug 13, 2012 12:51 AM GMT
    Haters are gonna hate.
    It's that simple.
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    Aug 13, 2012 12:53 AM GMT
    I wish all these Cali and NYC people on here lived in NC like me...wohoahoa, it is straight central
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    Aug 13, 2012 12:57 AM GMT
    The OP notes this seems to be inherited throughout the generations. But we also notice that some things passed down through generations--ignorance; bigotry; poverty; etc--tend to or at least can fade away. Yet this seems to have persisted a pretty damned long time.

    So where did it begin? Was there homophobia in matriarchal societies? Did religion start it or does religion (& politics for that matter) merely provide expression and structure for it?

    I think it's penis envy. They envy that we get penis.
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    Aug 13, 2012 1:00 AM GMT
    Daas saidI blame religion.

    Agreed.
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    Aug 13, 2012 1:04 AM GMT
    I understand why homosexuals had such a difficult time historically. For most of human history, being homosexual was a burden on the group, tribe, village whatever. Your kids took care of you when you were old, but who took care of those that did not have kids? Or homosexuals left to go to the city to live there and the tribe, village was out of their 'investment'.
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    Aug 13, 2012 1:06 AM GMT
    AMoonHawk saidHitler had no religion, yet he imprisoned and killed thousands of homosexuals.


    Hitler was raised Catholic. That he didn't practice it in adulthood doesn't necessarily discount it (and other cultural influences that Catholicism impacted) as a contributor to his hatred.

    But I know what you want to say: the evolved religions of today aren't as monolithic about their condemnation of homosexuality as they were 50 years ago with their albeit slow evolution. And that non-religious people can be bigots too.

    However, a charismatic--and temporary--autocrat who commits genocide is an acute scourge of homosexuals, where the world's religions (the big ones) are chronic. Stop being their apologist.
  • barriehomeboy

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    Aug 13, 2012 1:06 AM GMT
    I blame the white man. Before Europeans came here, our Aboriginal people revered their homosexauls because they more closely resembled Manitou, their big God who has no gender. Homos had special duties in the tribe, and were shamans even.Then the Euro trash boated over and it all went to hell. :-)
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    Aug 13, 2012 1:22 AM GMT
    I blame the heterosexuals. If everyone was bisexual, then the world would be such a better place. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Aug 13, 2012 1:31 AM GMT
    I blame "unwillingness to reconcile differences". Religion, race, gender, orientation, nationality, social class, political affiliation and on are just platforms we use to identify "like me" and "not like me". The more "not like me" someone is, the more likely we are to reject them.

    Look how those of us on this board align/divide ourselves on threads about fem vs masc. And we then we realign when the thread is about gay racism or open relationships or out vs closet or Chick-fil-a and on. In fact, if someone's opinion is different enough from ours, we may even block them or ignore their posts out of anger. All because they have a strong belief that is oppositional to our equally strong belief.

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    Aug 13, 2012 1:33 AM GMT
    simple_me saidif being what ever sexual orientation was normal,the world would have been a better place icon_smile.gif

    I dont understand what this means.
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    Aug 13, 2012 1:43 AM GMT
    mickeytopogigio said
    AMoonHawk saidHitler had no religion, yet he imprisoned and killed thousands of homosexuals.


    Hitler was raised Catholic. That he didn't practice it in adulthood doesn't necessarily discount it (and other cultural influences that Catholicism impacted) as a contributor to his hatred.

    But I know what you want to say: the evolved religions of today aren't as monolithic about their condemnation of homosexuality as they were 50 years ago with their albeit slow evolution. And that non-religious people can be bigots too.

    However, a charismatic--and temporary--autocrat who commits genocide is an acute scourge of homosexuals, where the world's religions (the big ones) are chronic. Stop being their apologist.


    I second that emotion.

    However I think our sufferage is part of a larger problem. BEING DIFFERENT

    If there is to be any world peace and a worldwide economy, the majority is going to have to learn to embrace the diversity that lady liberty welcomes. Different religions, different sexualities, different races, different languages.

    Give me your tired, your poor,
    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free;
    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,
    Send these, the homeless,
    Tempest-tossed to me
    I lift my lamp beside the golden door!

    Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
    With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
    Here at our sea-washed sunset gates shall stand
    A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame is the imprisoned lightning,
    And her name, Mother of Exiles.
    From her beacon-hand glows world-wide welcome;
    Her mild eyes command the air-bridged harbor
    That twin cities frame.
    "Keep, Ancient Lands, your storied pomp!"
    Cries she with silent lips.
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    Aug 13, 2012 1:49 AM GMT
    Caslon20000 said
    simple_me saidif being what ever sexual orientation was normal,the world would have been a better place icon_smile.gif

    I dont understand what this means.


    I interpreted it as it would be normal to express what ever sexual orientation you were (simply gay or stricon_cool.gif in any society and it would be embraced.

    I implied an "if" at the begining and quotes around "what ever" and assumed some normalcy about "what ever". And some unicorns probably. ;)
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    Aug 13, 2012 1:59 AM GMT
    Myol saidI blame "unwillingness to reconcile differences". Religion, race, gender, orientation, nationality, social class, political affiliation and on are just platforms we use to identify "like me" and "not like me". The more "not like me" someone is, the more likely we are to reject them.

    Look how those of us on this board align/divide ourselves on threads about fem vs masc. And we then we realign when the thread is about gay racism or open relationships or out vs closet or Chick-fil-a and on. In fact, if someone's opinion is different enough from ours, we may even block them or ignore their posts out of anger. All because they have a strong belief that is oppositional to our equally strong belief.



    I agree with you.
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    Aug 13, 2012 2:03 AM GMT
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    Caslon20000 said
    simple_me saidif being what ever sexual orientation was normal,the world would have been a better place icon_smile.gif

    I dont understand what this means.


    I interpreted it as it would be normal to express what ever sexual orientation you were (simply gay or stricon_cool.gif in any society and it would be embraced.

    I implied an "if" at the begining and quotes around "what ever" and assumed some normalcy about "what ever". And some unicorns probably. ;)

    Thank you.
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    Aug 13, 2012 2:05 AM GMT
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    easterndude69 said
    Daas saidI blame religion.


    I second that notion.

    That's sort of a silly, nonsensical statement.
    Which religion ... there are thousands of them

    Bahá'í Faith
    Zoroastrianism
    Islam
    Hinduism
    Sikhism
    Buddhism
    Christianity
    Judaism
    Wicans
    Druids
    etc. etc.

    Hitler had no religion, yet he imprisoned and killed thousands of homosexuals.
    Read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_homosexuals_in_Nazi_Germany_and_the_Holocaust

    "Between 1933–45, an estimated 100,000 men were arrested as homosexuals, of whom some 50,000 were officially sentenced.[1] Most of these men served time in regular prisons, and an estimated 5,000 to 15,000 of those sentenced were incarcerated in Nazi concentration camps.[1] It is unclear how many of the 5,000 to 15,000 eventually perished in the camps, but leading scholar Ruediger Lautman believes that the death rate of homosexuals in concentration camps may have been as high as 60%"

    So this would show that religion is not a major factor. Repulicanism is not a religion, it is a political party and it stands against homosexuality. So I would have to sat that it is politics that is to blame.


    I blame human nature. It is inherent in us to be distrustful of anything we don't understand. Heterosexuals cannot understand how we can love (in a sexual way) a person of the same sex. They truly think we choose to be this way or that even if we don't choose to be this way it is still somehow not the norm, and therefore, something they don't understand, distrust, and don't like. They just codified this distrust and dislike into the laws and religions they devised.
  • mybud

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    Aug 13, 2012 5:08 AM GMT
    I agree ...don't blame religion..it has become a lot of gays whipping boy...If you have the confidence to love yourself totally..That self love would become your strength to live your life to the fullest..
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    Aug 13, 2012 5:14 AM GMT
    mickeytopogigio said
    AMoonHawk saidHitler had no religion, yet he imprisoned and killed thousands of homosexuals.


    Hitler was raised Catholic. That he didn't practice it in adulthood doesn't necessarily discount it (and other cultural influences that Catholicism impacted) as a contributor to his hatred.

    But I know what you want to say: the evolved religions of today aren't as monolithic about their condemnation of homosexuality as they were 50 years ago with their albeit slow evolution. And that non-religious people can be bigots too.

    However, a charismatic--and temporary--autocrat who commits genocide is an acute scourge of homosexuals, where the world's religions (the big ones) are chronic. Stop being their apologist.


    I didn't know that Hitler was raised a catholic ... if he was he converted, because he practiced high magic ... the swastika is a symbol of high magic ... ... Also Hitler was a German, the Germans have their own flavor of high magic, it is where we get the German Runes from, used to predict and cast spells
    Check out the followng:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runic_alphabet

    Also read more on Heinrich Himmler. Heinrich Himmler was one of the most powerful men in Nazi Germany, second only to Adolf Hitler.

    See: http://www.illuminati-news.com/hitler-occult.htm
    "The occultist during the Second World War was with no doubt Heinrich Himmler. He was the Grandmaster of several secret societies and had satanic and Black Magic masses organized in several different old castles along Germany. Himmler was for sure responsible for much of the terror, which was created in the Third Reich."

    Here is what you should take away from this information ... you can blame religion if you like, but religion is going to be around for a an awful long time, so you are going to get a lot further by showing the religious that their unfounded false beliefs against homosexuality, cannot actually be backed up by any actual religious writings, unless misinterpreted, and they are in fact following the beliefs and the practices of one of the most evil man to ever walk the face of the earth, Adolph Hitler, who sought to cleanse the world of those he believed were inferior humans in his quest to create a master race.