Hypnosis to improve workouts!

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    Aug 15, 2007 4:05 PM GMT
    Hypnosis can improve workouts and help get you over that plataue! With hypnosis you can expect:

    • Program endurance: The ‘will’ always breaks before the muscle unless you are specifically conditioned for endurance.

    • Increase strength: Weight lifting increase bench press by 30% through hypnosis.

    • Develop a new technique through in-trance visualization without the intervention of gravity. Used for sports where gravity prevents an athlete from practicing techniques in slow motion (i.e. Diving, Gymnastics.)

    • Increase motivation: Improving the desire and dedication to train and perform hard.

    • Improve focus: Eliminating mental distractions and barriers while training or performing.

    • Install the self-image of an athlete: Change the view of the ‘under dog’ or ‘couch potato’ to that of a sports person.

    • Install traits of a professional athlete.

    • Increase an athlete’s speed by slowing down their perception of time, hence they will run faster, punch quicker etc.

    • Remove hesitations/freezing/choking during competition.

    • Learn to enjoy the ‘pain’ of sports.

    • Revisit a previous good performance and set up anchors to trigger that resourceful state again when required.

    • Good nutrition instillation: Change to fitness attitudes and behaviors. Stop viewing food as a source of taste pleasure to viewing food as a source of fuel for the body. (as athletes do)

    • Remove mental obstacles to success: Fear of success or the repercussions that it may bring (i.e. Pressure to keep performing at a high level.)

    • Install complex behaviors unconsciously: Reduces over consciousness of complex movements which can have an adverse effect on sporting abilities.

    See www.hypnosisbykyle.com for more information or feel free to message me at soccerboi27_2001 on yahoo for more details!
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    Aug 15, 2007 7:17 PM GMT
    Before you listen to any of this hypnosis, I suggest reading the word lists.
  • Bean

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    Aug 16, 2007 12:10 AM GMT
    Kyle and a lot of others that say they can help you "become a jock" try very hard to create totally submissive subjects... They justify it by claiming "that to became a jock you must submit to a 'coach' that will train you..." sort of like what they tell you in boot camp.. "before you can learn to lead you must first learn to follow..."

    In boot camp they want break the person you are so they can reassembly you into the tool/weapon they want... you can break anyone if you try the problem is that once broken some people can't be reassemblied into a weapon or who they were to start with or anything fully human...

    You can't affect the same level of restructuring using mp3 recordings, words flashing on your computer and attemps to hypnotise you by phone or instant messaging that you can when you have complete control of the subject environment the way they do in boot camp

    But it is possible that your perception of a situation can be altered to allow your self to be placed in a position that someone else has control of your environment...

    I lot of this is just DBSM games for fun but if some unethical did get you to place your in his control you have a major problem...

    Note: In no way am I suggesting that Kyle or anyone else would act in an unethical manner...
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    Aug 16, 2007 5:34 AM GMT
    The only problem I had in the word list of a significant nature was a statement that only Kyle can hypnotize you," or something to that effect. If you are using his mp3s and others, it could interfere with others.

    I do think it would be better if he made a little more separation between the word lists for the jock stuff and the BDSM stuff. If you download the erotic stuff, it's not a big deal, but it you download an MP3 for workouts, having BDSM stuff thrown in is a little much.

    I do appreciate that he included the word list, which allowed me to decide not to use the jock stuff unless I wanted to experience some BSDM as well.
  • Bean

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    Aug 16, 2007 2:03 PM GMT
    For me suggestion that a "must obey" or "Obey" any one sets off a big alarm bell... and pops me out of any suggestable state at once... at that point even playing alone the way they tell you to do if you don't think it's working is nearly impossible... Playing along acts to condition you to accept what you are asked to "fake" as something you are okay with... I believe they call it modeling the same method used to help phobics over come their irrational fears... Fear is not a bad thing it keeps us from doing things that would stupid or foolish... it only a problem with it keeps you from doing thing that are "safe" and need or want to do...

    Access to full root/admin rights to "me" is not something I grant lightly...

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    Aug 16, 2007 11:01 PM GMT
    Hey there guys -

    Apparently I have caused a bit of a stir! The "obey" command in the grock word list is a technique used in a lot of hypnotherapy to fight resistance. In hypnosis, no one can force you to do anything that you normally wouldn't do when you were awake. It's impossible to circumvent someone morals. Do a little research on the net if you would like to verify what I have stated.

    Thanks!
    Kyle
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    Aug 17, 2007 12:23 AM GMT
    My partner has used the services of a hypnotist to increase the intensity of his workouts, and to help him overcome his fears regarding participation in bodybuilding competition. As he explains it - it's as though there's a "little davey" sitting on his shoulder telling him that he can't do it - and with the hypnosis he's able to make him go away.

    Now before you grab a butterfly net and start chasing him, no - he does not believe there is a little version of himself sitting there - but there's the memory of his undersized youth and all the times he could NOT compete when he was a kid because he was very small until after high school graduation.

    While he feels no need to go back for more, he'd be the first to agree that, for some people, in the hands of a skilled hypnotist, improvements can be made in both attitude and performance.
  • Bean

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    Aug 17, 2007 2:09 AM GMT
    I understated the reasoning for the "Obey" command and I expect it will operate harmlessly enough in some people perhaps even most people. My point is that every one will respond differently... most will follow a similar pattern because there will be a general agreement on the meaning and intent of the words used... but every one will still have a slightly different interpretation of the meaning.

    Words are symbols and the meaning of a symbol will vary from user to user. Example the Swastika means very differ things to a neo Nazis, a Jewish person, a Hindu, a Native American, a Bronze Age man and a Buddhist all different and all equally correct. http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Swastica

    For me at least the word "Obey" has a strong link to the ideas of abuse coercion and submission. Things that set off alarm bells in my head, the opposite the compliance it was intended to invoke...

    There are some hypnosists that believe the mean of word are involital and what they say they mean and that they can build one size fits all script that every will react to in the same way. A little bit of ego is a good thing but when you chose to believe that your interpretaion of something is the only valid one it's not health ego any more it's delusional thinking...

    Suggestion must be formulated in such a way that the subject will interpert them correctly for the subject and the way the hypnostist understand the word has no effect on the subject's understanding...
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    Aug 17, 2007 5:14 AM GMT
    The only thing I have a problem with is the "only Kyle can hypnotize me" and other similar stuff. For the sessions described as erotic, where it is clear that they will involve submission to Kyle, it should not be a problem. But for something presented as helping with physical training, I do not believe that statements which attempt to form an exclusive relationship with the hypnotist are appropriate.
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    Aug 17, 2007 7:02 AM GMT
    I dont get why some of you guys are taking it so seriously. Your will to become whatever it is you want to be or overcome whatever fears you have should be more than enough. Thrusting the inadequacies ( made up word, maybe) upon some hypnotist is not a very good way to go.

    Also, the hypnotism is probably not gonna work anyway if you're trying to stack the effects of many hypnotists at once, regardless of the exclusive nature of Kyle's hypnosis.

    That's about 2 cents...
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    Aug 17, 2007 1:55 PM GMT
    I just don't buy people's claims that they can basically say whatever they want, and no one would take any of the suggestions unless they "really wanted to."

    From my research, if a hypnotist suggests something that is seriously against someone's values, they will resist it. But for hypnosis to have any effect, as has been mentioned, it has to break down a person's resistance to accepting the suggestions. If it weren't suggesting things that were hard for a person to do, it would not have much point. And so it can suggest to people that they do things which they do not want to do, as long as they are not seriously morally opposed to them. Of course, the idea of what we "want to do" at any given time is complex-- we want many sometimes conflicting things all the time. Ideally, hypnosis should help us focus on the positive things we want, and help us minimize the negative-- such as "I want to work out today, more than I want to drink that six pack and lie on the couch."

    What I am looking for in hypnosis for exercise is help relaxing, focusing, and motivational encouragement.

    As for taking it seriously, I have known three people who tried for years to quit smoking who quit after ONE visit to a hypnotist. There are many scientific studies that show it can have an effect. So yeah, I take it seriously. Using hypnosis is no different than using training recommendations, taking supplements, etc. It's just working on the mental motivational aspects along with the physical. And just as you do different types of exercises and try different training advice, different hypnosis over time can allow you to advance in different ways.
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    Aug 17, 2007 2:46 PM GMT
    We will just agree to disagree :)
  • bootbrushpup

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    Aug 17, 2007 3:04 PM GMT
    Must admit I've had some very possitive experiences from using the "WeightTraining" file at WarpMyMind - and the "MusclePig" series.

    Both are extremely positive, and simply help to build my motivation to get into the gym, and and my focus when I'm there.
  • Bean

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    Aug 17, 2007 7:38 PM GMT
    I agree EMG's "Weight Training" file from WarpMyMind and HypnoFiles is a pretty good script and yes he does employ the Obey suggestion... but in the context of the file the Obey is not targeted for the subject to obey EMG it is targeted to obey the desire the file is intended to enhance... to workout and reshape your body... that is the subjects desire not EMG's. The script in setup to empower the subject to make change not to make the subject follow directions...

    With the exception of his "curse" files, EMG files are set that the obedience they try to invoke is to what the subject wants the file to do for him not what the hypnotist wants the subject to do...

    There is an enormous difference in suggesting the subject is the one that has the power to make the changes he desire happen and suggesting the the hypnotist (and only that specific hypnotist) has the power to change the subject. The first empowers the the subject the second empowers the hypnotist and subjugates the subject...

    I'm one of the more highly introverted people you are likely to meet... In the Jung concept of introversion only 1 in 10 people are introverts... Introvert live in their heads and interacting with other people tests there energy. Extroverts live outside their heads and define themselves in the context of other people and for them being alone with themselves is stressful need to submerge themselves in other people re-energize themselves.

    Introvert are a minority but we look the same as every else and the extrovert masses arrogantly assume that everyone is or should be like them. And to survive introverts are forced to hide their nature to avoid being attacked a majority that view our ability to be separate and ignore peer pressure the dangerous and subversive... Maybe if we were green or something we might come to be accepted to the same extent other minorities are. Since the way we are different isn't apparent. We are invisible ignored when discovered assumed to be defective. Instead of the innovations and visionaries the kept human kind from settling in the to communal hive mind that extrovert take comfort it... I guess the is a peace and order in the ant-like sociality extroverts would devolve into if left to themselves but I don't think it could be called human be current meanings of the world...

    Sorry... for being Don Quixote again... I'm not sure why I have been charging windmills as if they were dragons the way I have been of late... Like Cervantes's "Knight of the Woeful Countenance" I keep seeing things that aren't as they should be in a perfect world and I want to make them right... and end up making a fool of myself trying...

    And now I'm pontificating on top of it...

    Sorry guys I'm very frustrated about several things in my life and it's leaking out badly...

    Sorry...
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    Aug 20, 2007 7:44 AM GMT
    I like Tank's explanation. Now I understand what I disagree to. =P

    Thanks for the post.
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    Feb 19, 2009 5:56 AM GMT
    It's a shame that there are people like kyle out there that are giving hypnosis a bad name.

    Hypnoisis is not about control. If you're a professional hypnotherapist, then there should be no undertones of sex whatsoever.

    Hypnosis can be used to help focus a person's mind, increase stamina, blast through difficult sets and growth plateaus. If you are interested in hypnosis, then I recommend that you google the terms "hypnosis bodybuilding." You should also check out youtube to see real videos of hypnotists using hypnosis to help athletes and bodybuilders.
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    Feb 19, 2009 7:20 AM GMT
    Sorry. I just workout the old fashioned way. No hypnosis. No BS. I lift weights. I lift as heavy as possible on a given day. I push past my limits. Seems to work well. Hypnosis? Maybe for guys that need an excuse. More power to you if you need that. But if you need that, I think you have other problems.
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    Feb 20, 2009 7:38 AM GMT
    Triggerman saidSorry. I just workout the old fashioned way. No hypnosis. No BS. I lift weights. I lift as heavy as possible on a given day. I push past my limits. Seems to work well. Hypnosis? Maybe for guys that need an excuse. More power to you if you need that. But if you need that, I think you have other problems.


    Videos of top athletes using hypnosis:

    Tom Platz (Mr. Universe) using hypnosis with his trainer:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJJZ5XhS17E&feature=channel_page

    Dallas Cowboy All Pro Bill Bates Using Hypnosis (USA Today News):
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvex35ghAf4&feature=channel_page

    LA Kings Defenseman Dean Kennedy Using hypnosis
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nY8FnSYAoE

    Just because you reject something that you don't know about doesn't make you look good. Many top atheletes use hypnosis (meditation, visualization techniques, relaxation techniques, etcetera).

    To say that people have problems because they use hypnosis is a statement about your ignorance about the subject. Why don't you check out these videos by some top athletes who use hypnosis. Mabye looking at them will help you understand that you are the one that is misguided and misinformed.



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    Feb 20, 2009 7:48 AM GMT
    Bring me a cookie....
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    ....or better yet, steal Sedative's cookies and bring themz to me.....
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    Mar 07, 2010 5:47 AM GMT
    GuerrillaSodomite saidBring me a cookie....
    hypnosis Pictures, Images and Photos
    ....or better yet, steal Sedative's cookies and bring themz to me.....



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    Mar 07, 2010 5:49 AM GMT
    Space_Cowboy_89 said
    GuerrillaSodomite saidBring me a cookie....
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    ....or better yet, steal Sedative's cookies and bring themz to me.....



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    OH OPPS I thought you were talking about Onthewaytome
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    Mar 24, 2011 1:15 PM GMT
    The Mind Body Workout
    Your strength is determined largely by the mental condtions, beliefs, and convictions that support the muscles.
    Muscle growth is greatly enhance by the mental processes availabe to you in Hypnosis and NLP and other subconscious mind training.


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  • mynyun

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    Mar 24, 2011 1:22 PM GMT
    Space_Cowboy_89 said
    GuerrillaSodomite saidBring me a cookie....
    hypnosis Pictures, Images and Photos
    ....or better yet, steal Sedative's cookies and bring themz to me.....



    BLAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I literally ROFLcoptered on the floor icon_twisted.gif




    Hmmm for some reason I didn't see GuerrillaSodomite's comment until it was quoted. Wonder why. I know I didn't delete him or block him. He's too hot for that.

    I need some stop procrastinating, being lazy hypnosis. Ugh.