LEGALIZE IT!

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    Aug 14, 2008 8:58 PM GMT
    haha i felt as though I've been way to silly for the last week, and the recent resurgence of my "public nudity" thread got me in the mood to share some more of my crack-pot liberal ideas for all you conservatives to pick aparticon_biggrin.gif

    haha so as you can probably tell from the title of this thread, I believe that Marijuana (which I will now refer to as "bud" or "weed") should be legal in the U.S. I'll start by giving a list of reasons.

    1. Marijuana's main mood-altering chemical ingredient, Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), is not physically addictive. At all. Not even a little bit. Yes, i know this may come as surprise, seeing as high school health AND Truth commercials would like you to believe that bud is addictive and can consume your life, but this is simple not the case. Now, like all other habits (including exercise) you can form a psychological dependency on weed (as in "i cant be creative unless im high" or "i cant have fun at parties unless im high"), but this is just typical human reaction to habits, and is not at all associated with your body craving/needing weed to function properly, as it does with many narcotics. So basically, weed is non addictive.

    2. Bud has been shown to be an amazing stress-reliever, relaxing agent, and mood enhancer. THC is known to both reduce aggression and increase NATURAL endorphine output (as opossed to chemical-induced endorphine output, cause but drugs such as heroine). People become less stressed out and more positive when smoking weed, which I believe this world could use a lot more of.

    3. Cannibus is an extrmelely useful plant in general; aside from producing bud, it's fibers also have tremendous tensile strength (as seen in hemp), and cannabis oils & seeds contain tons of Omega Fatty Acids, and can be used as a practice alternative to many cooking oils, and even milk (plus it tastes WAY better than soy milk)!

    4. Marijuana is a much safer substance to use than alcohol, despite the fact that alcohol is legal. There are 0 cases of domestic abuse cite each year from Marijuana use, very few cases of auto accidents caused by bud use, 0 cases of marijuana overdose reported in the U.S. each year, and 0 cases of weed induced sexual assaults reported each year. The same cannot be said of alcohol...

    5. Marijuana has been proven to have little to no long term health issued. There is a risk of lung damage caused by smoking weed, but through ingesting cooked or inhaling vaporized weed, these risks can be eliminated. Yes, there is short-term memory loss associated with weed usage, but that essentially depends on both the person and the amount of weed consumed.

    6. The government has an oppurtunity to make TREMENDOUS amounts of money by subsidizing marijuana production; taxes and shares from government issued weed (which the government produced anyway for labratory testing; i got my hand on some once, and it gets you fucking BAKED) could tally into the hundred of millions of dollars, breaching over a billion dollars with full government investment.

    The positives of legalizing weed far outweigh any negatives that people often bring up. Look at all of the truth commercials and anti-weed propaganda that is made every year. If you follow it, you'll find that most is based on stereotypes with no factual support (as in the guys at the drive through hitting the little girls on the bike), or is simply vague and doesnt actually gives reasons WHY not to smoke weed, only that you shouldnt do it (as in most of the above the influence campaign).

    If anything, the government should legalize weed and work on banning cigarettes; man oh man they cause way more health and social issues. Oh, but wait, tobacco companies have mad money, so they arnt going anywhere.




    Okay, so that's why marijuana should be legal. I'm thinking maybe is obama gets elected, he'll decriminalize it second term, which will be the first step in the right direction!

    Now for the more controversial part of my rant; I also believe that the government should legalize and regulate ALL drugs. That's right, you heard me! The government should support drug legalization.

    Why the fuck would they do that, you may ask? Well, because of the same reason prohibition was lifted:

    1. people are going to do drugs no matter WHAT you do. it's part of human nature; those that choose to do drugs will do them, and those who choose not to wont. Making them illegal has done NOTHING to stop drug usage in the U.S.

    2. The "war of drugs" (hahahahaha icon_lol.gif ) has done NOTHING except waste tremendous amounts of tax=payer money for little to no results. All it has successfully done is produced tons of organized crime in the form of drug trafficking, just as prohibition helped form mob activity in the U.S.

    3. If the government were to subsidize drug production, they could at least assure the q
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    Aug 14, 2008 9:22 PM GMT
    I respectfully disagree sir.

    Pot is a gateway drug that leads to jam bands and tie-dye.
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    Aug 14, 2008 9:40 PM GMT
    MunchingZombie saidI respectfully disagree sir.

    Pot is a gateway drug that leads to jam bands and tie-dye.


    And tackily painted flower vans and unrealistic songs about love and peace. icon_lol.gif

    Seriously, banning it is the only thing making it the gateway drug that it is. Relatively cheap and harmless, it gets lumped together with much more dangerous drugs like Cocaine. So when someone tries pot, they get tempted to move on because after all, pot's not that bad.

    Blah.

    Legalize it already and negate its use as a gateway drug. Small amounts of cannabis (for personal use) are already legal in certain parts of the world, and you don't see them devolve into lunatics.

    Do it like Netherlands which treats it like tobacco or alcoholic drinks, that is, legal for adults, though still illegal in large amounts.
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    Aug 14, 2008 9:49 PM GMT
    Holy Crap!....

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    Aug 14, 2008 9:56 PM GMT
    GQjock saidHoly Crap!....

    You mean it's Not? icon_eek.gif



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    Aug 14, 2008 11:21 PM GMT
    One of the things I found intriguing about being in the USA last time, was reading about being able to get medical weed, for some illnesses.

    I know it helps people on chemotherapy, to eat, as chemo can suppress hunger.

    I know it can help people relax, whom suffer severe pain, and it's may well be better than a lot a medical painkillers, that you Americans seem too have a huge addition problem with, certanly with people in Hollywood.

    Some people seem to think it will lead to other drug use. I think this will depend on why you started to dance with marry jane in the first place. Some people will go onto hard drugs without even trying weed, so for them it would of been nothing more than a steeping stone.

    Legalising it, would cut out the black market, and the government would get the revue from it instead. But Religious fanatics are already throwing their arms up in the air.
  • EricLA

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    Aug 14, 2008 11:32 PM GMT
    Hmmm, it's ironic that I read this at just a bit after 4:20pm...

    I have mixed feelings about this, but in general I agree. I still know people who abuse weed, and I'm not sure I'd want to go around dodging pot smoke the same way I have to dodge cigarette smoke. But, that said, alcohol is legal and people abuse it. And I believe tobacco should be outlawed -- but we know that ain't going to happen. But, yes, the government has much better things to do that penalizing offenders (our prisons are filled to capacity with people who probably shouldn't be in prison -- but that's another thread), and taxing pot would just make good fiscal sense. I'm not sure what affect this would have on the drug trade/drug dealing/street gangs, but I'd be interested in exploring that.

    But, I just don't see Obama legalizing it. There's still too much ingrained resistance to it, and I don't think Obama would spend political capital on the battle. I think it's going to take more years of chipping away peoples' mindset before this can happen.
  • joeindallas

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    Aug 14, 2008 11:34 PM GMT
    Legalize it, everything including Steroids. Tax the hell out of it for treatment for addiction. Legalization will ensure stable quality, sterility for IV Injected drugs, and constant dosage. NO more OD due to HOT SHOTS. Less transmission of HIV due to needles being availible and not shared or reused.

    Legalization, will distribution to minors would mean lost of lic to sell, just as alcohol but tougher. Stable sale sites would elimate the "gang bangers" use of automatic weapons to defend their sales territory.

    Only down side is 50% of the cops would be out of a job
  • roadbikeRob

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    Aug 14, 2008 11:43 PM GMT
    I don't care for marijuana because it is more cancerous than tobacco. But if someone wants to smoke it, than that is their personal business. It should be decriminalized. This will be one less narcotic drug being sold on the streets. Marijuana should be taxed just like tobacco and liquor are taxed. As for putting some cops out of a job, that is not such a bad thing because we have too many damn cops with nothing to do but harrass and intimidate people. America is turning into a fascist police state.
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    Aug 14, 2008 11:46 PM GMT
    MunchingZombie saidI respectfully disagree sir.

    Pot is a gateway drug that leads to jam bands and tie-dye.


    Sir Munching, what is wrong with tie-dye? I used to wear those shirts when you were just a glimmer in your mother's eye!

    I personally don't see anything wrong with legalizing marijuana. Driving while under the influence should carry the same penalty as alcohol, and of course like cigarettes it will not be allowed to be smoked in public places. So basically people will be partaking of the weed in very few places (certainly nowhere near my nose, I hate the smell)!
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    Aug 15, 2008 12:02 AM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidI don't care for marijuana because it is more cancerous than tobacco. But if someone wants to smoke it, than that is their personal business. It should be decriminalized. This will be one less narcotic drug being sold on the streets. Marijuana should be taxed just like tobacco and liquor are taxed. As for putting some cops out of a job, that is not such a bad thing because we have too many damn cops with nothing to do but harrass and intimidate people. America is turning into a fascist police state.


    I agree with every thing you said but one: pot is NOT more cancerous than tobacco. Also, some people's family genetics have a propencity toward cancer whether they smoke or not.
    Besides, if you look at the amount of very deadly poisons contained within nicotine campared to the relatively innocuous chemical makeup of THC, you would see there's no comparison.

    Having said that, I'd be fine with pot being legalized, and I am a big proponent for that, but I still don't think the harder street drugs should be legal, simply because (legal or not) I don't think people should be using them. In short, God (or Nature) gave us pot for the very reason of ingestion in some form or another. It's totally natural. The same CANNOT be said of methamphetamine, refined cocaine, heroin, ecstasy or almost any other street drug. Natural coca, the leaves right from the plant, I have no issue with. Hash, same thing, and even opium, although opium is HIGHLY addictive.

    Most folks in the U.S. are unaware that pot was legal here until J.D. Anslinger saw to it, through bribes and heavy lobbying of Congress, that cannabis was criminalized in 1937. Anslinger, by the way, was paid by the tobacco and alcohol interests.
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    Aug 15, 2008 12:04 AM GMT

    I AGREE WITH YOU!

    Yes,I agree with you, on this issue. The Public Nudity one, I strongly disagreed because that is a subject that is highly untamed. There is no telling how that would play out in such a vast society.

    However, marijuana use has been around in civilized society for so long. Apart from
    the fact that its illegal, marijuana being in use does not place a strain on our everyday safety and lives the way crack, meth, and heroine could.

    I don't know many people who are on crack because the advanced users are in low places I don't go. However, I know plenty regualr potsmokers who are good parents, good workers, and all around stand up people: they smoke their weed in private, and it's effects do not seem to interfere with their lives or their social appeal.

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    Aug 15, 2008 12:25 AM GMT
    I have no problems at all with legalising Pot - or some other drugs I could name...

    As long as it was distributed legally say as an OTC at the local pharmacy, and:

    A - Carried a Huge (OTTOMH - 2500% ) Tax.

    B - There were SIGNIFICANT penalties for when people inevitably screwed up badly under the influence.

    but then I am pretty much a libertarian most of the time.
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    Aug 15, 2008 12:35 AM GMT
    From US News & World Report:

    Rep. Barney Frank Offers Legislation to Legalize Marijuana
    Massachusetts Democrats says government should not interfere with how people spend their leisure time
    By Robert Schlesinger
    Posted July 31, 2008

    The federal government should stop interfering with people's "leisure" activities, including using marijuana, Rep. Barney Frank said Wednesday, unveiling a bill to remove federal criminal penalties for possessing the drug. "I don't think that it is the government's business to tell you how to spend your leisure time," Frank said, according to the Washington-based Examiner. "There are a lot of things people do that I don't do, and I think that they should be free to do them. There are things that I do that other people don't do, and I ought to be free to do them." While Frank is a senior Democrat and chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, he conceded that there is little chance of the bill becoming law anytime soon.
  • spinningguy

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    Aug 15, 2008 1:29 AM GMT
    Anything you smoke will eventually lead to problems with your lungs. I can only imagine the new medical issues and financial burden these health problems will lead our country into.

    Of course with that said I personally believe this is a right of privacy issue and I believe you should be able to do what you want to your body.

    If and when this law gets passed I am buying stock in Lays Potato Chips and Little Debbie Snack Cakes company.


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    Aug 15, 2008 1:34 AM GMT
    Best sex ever on pot. Though it's been too long ago.
  • Timbales

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    Aug 15, 2008 1:42 AM GMT
    I have no firm opinion one way or the other.
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    Aug 15, 2008 1:43 AM GMT

    Luckydog76 saidBest sex ever on pot. Though it's been too long ago.


    We need details in your...deepest sexiest voice.

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    Aug 15, 2008 1:50 AM GMT
    legalize and treat the same as alchol.
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    Aug 15, 2008 1:59 AM GMT
    I agree that it should be legalized. But I still wouldn't do it if it were legal.

    bearcub, your wrong in point #5. it does cause hard after long-term use. even though it's ok to use it for less than 6 months and it would leave serious side effects.

    As for other drugs, I disagree completely. they do cause addiction and change people's attitude. it makes them violent, like coke.

    SAY NO TO DRUGS

    I've lost friends and lover to drugs. just don't do them. Pot is ok, just watch how much you do and where.
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    Aug 15, 2008 2:06 AM GMT
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    Luckydog76 saidBest sex ever on pot. Though it's been too long ago.


    We need details in your...deepest sexiest voice.


    Never been harder, lasted longer or shot further. What else do you want to know?icon_biggrin.gif
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    Aug 15, 2008 2:09 AM GMT
    Luckydog76 said
    GuiltyGear said
    Luckydog76 saidBest sex ever on pot. Though it's been too long ago.


    We need details in your...deepest sexiest voice.


    Never been harder, lasted longer or shot further. What else do you want to know?icon_biggrin.gif


    Now the pictures.
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    Aug 15, 2008 2:09 AM GMT
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    GQjock saidHoly Crap!....

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    FREEZE!

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    YES OFFICER....

    There's much more in the back
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    Aug 15, 2008 2:10 AM GMT
    legalize it!
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    Aug 15, 2008 2:32 AM GMT
    Legalize the shit already!! I 100% agree with you on that!