JAN BREWER DENIES BENEFITS, IDs TO UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS IN DEFIANCE OF POTUS EXECUTIVE ORDER

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    Aug 16, 2012 2:29 PM GMT
    WE LOVE JAN!


    http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/politics/2012/08/16/brewer-blocks-id-benefits-for-undocumented-immigrants/
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    Aug 16, 2012 2:38 PM GMT
    She also tried to deny benefits to same-sex couples.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/08/jan-brewer-supreme-court_n_1657805.html

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    Aug 16, 2012 2:41 PM GMT
    We don't love EVERYTHING about Jan...as she has made some missteps of late (denying benefits to domestic partners of government employees being among them). However, Jan Brewer does make the tough decisions that, while not popular, are unfortunately necessary in a state like Arizona in which illegal immigration is a HUGE problem costing the state million$ each year. If you are in this state illegally --- hence a criminal, breaking US immigration laws --- then, sorry, but NO you are not privy to an Arizona drivers license or any of the government benefits afforded those who are here LEGALLY. This sends a message to those considering coming here that there is no gravy train awaiting them here in AZ at the expense of Arizona tax payers. Obviously, this is a sad and difficult issue, with passionate feelings on both sides of the argument. However, Jan Brewer being willing to make some of these tough, albeit unpopular, decisions is one of the reasons she was elected as the Governor of this state by a large margin. To be clear, I DO NOT SUPPORT Jan Brewer on all of her actions, but this is one that I do, sad as it is that it is a necessity.
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    CuriousJockAZ saidWe don't love EVERYTHING about Jan...as she has made some missteps of late (denying benefits to domestic partners of government employees being among them). However, Jan Brewer does make the tough decisions that, while not popular, are unfortunately necessary in a state like Arizona in which illegal immigration is a HUGE problem costing the state million$ each year. If you are in this state illegally --- hence a criminal, breaking US immigration laws --- then, sorry, but NO you are not privy to an Arizona drivers license or any of the government benefits afforded those who are here LEGALLY. This sends a message to those considering coming here that there is no gravy train awaiting them here in AZ at the expense of Arizona tax payers. Obviously, this is a sad and difficult issue, with passionate feelings on both sides of the argument. However, Jan Brewer being willing to make some of these tough, albeit unpopular, decisions is one of the reasons she was elected as the Governor of this state by a large margin. To be clear, I DO NOT SUPPORT Jan Brewer on all of her actions, but this is one that I do, sad as it is that it is a necessity.


    Mmmmmmhmmm...,,,u flip flop on this topic more than mitt romney on romneycare. We know how u love jan and her reckless abuse of authority to strip people of their rights. Now own it!
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    Aug 16, 2012 2:57 PM GMT
    Arizona can certainly have her!

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    Aug 16, 2012 2:58 PM GMT
    For Pete's sake, CuriousAZ, she's doing this to teens and adults who've been there since they were children.


    "Obama's federal policy defers deportations for that group if they meet certain criteria, including arrival in the United States before they turned 16 and no convictions for certain crimes."

    Hmmm...if you're going to keep track of illegals, wouldn't some form of traceable ID, like a driver's license, be helpful?

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    Aug 16, 2012 4:48 PM GMT
    "Do you think failing to issue drivers' licenses will keep people off the road? Really? Does abstinence-only sex ed keep kids from fucking?"


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    Aug 16, 2012 4:57 PM GMT
    Upper_Cdn said"Do you think failing to issue drivers' licenses will keep people off the road? Really? Does abstinence-only sex ed keep kids from fucking?"


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    CuriousJockAZ saidWe don't love EVERYTHING about Jan...as she has made some missteps of late (denying benefits to domestic partners of government employees being among them). However, Jan Brewer does make the tough decisions that, while not popular, are unfortunately necessary in a state like Arizona in which illegal immigration is a HUGE problem costing the state million$ each year. If you are in this state illegally --- hence a criminal, breaking US immigration laws --- then, sorry, but NO you are not privy to an Arizona drivers license .

    This is just wrong.
    The class of persons this refers to are young people whose parents brought them here as tiny children. They didn't ask to come here, and they have little or no connection with their home countries. So all that blather about legal vs. not-legal is just a distraction, and a cheap one.

    Also, once again the rightists would rather be ideologically pure than smart. Do you think failing to issue drivers' licenses will keep people off the road? Really? Does abstinence-only sex ed keep kids from fucking?

    All you'll get is more accidents with unlicensed drivers, and more kids who can't work and become aimless drags on society.

    Very smart, right wing morons.




    These right wingers, christian fundis and tbaggers running states like Arizona are 'real class acts', all this is doing is opening their state up to law suits that they won't win and will cost them dearly in the long run. This won't end 'pretty' if she continues to double down on defying the feds.
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    Aug 16, 2012 6:50 PM GMT
    ugh, i'm so fed up with this wicked bitch of the west. she thinks she can undermine the POTUS and just do whatever she wants to? she needs to be arrested.

    also death @ curiousjock STILL defending that cunt. so glad i have that fucktard on ignore, his idiocy is mind numbing and his comments are IQ lowering.
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    Aug 16, 2012 9:00 PM GMT
    eightball said
    also death @ curiousjock STILL defending that cunt. so glad i have that fucktard on ignore


    So much mean-spirited bitterness in a 21 year old punk. Can hardly wait till you gain a little maturity. Could be dangerous! icon_eek.gif
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    eightball saidugh, i'm so fed up with this wicked bitch of the west. she thinks she can undermine the POTUS and just do whatever she wants to? she needs to be arrested.

    also death @ curiousjock STILL defending that cunt. so glad i have that fucktard on ignore, his idiocy is mind numbing and his comments are IQ lowering.





    So true.
    CJ's comments are predictable bogus right-wing nonsense.

    It's impressive that you display vastly more intelligence and awareness of the facts at your age than CJ does at 54.
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    Aug 16, 2012 10:36 PM GMT
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    CuriousJockAZ saidWe don't love EVERYTHING about Jan...as she has made some missteps of late (denying benefits to domestic partners of government employees being among them). However, Jan Brewer does make the tough decisions that, while not popular, are unfortunately necessary in a state like Arizona in which illegal immigration is a HUGE problem costing the state million$ each year. If you are in this state illegally --- hence a criminal, breaking US immigration laws --- then, sorry, but NO you are not privy to an Arizona drivers license or any of the government benefits afforded those who are here LEGALLY. This sends a message to those considering coming here that there is no gravy train awaiting them here in AZ at the expense of Arizona tax payers. Obviously, this is a sad and difficult issue, with passionate feelings on both sides of the argument. However, Jan Brewer being willing to make some of these tough, albeit unpopular, decisions is one of the reasons she was elected as the Governor of this state by a large margin. To be clear, I DO NOT SUPPORT Jan Brewer on all of her actions, but this is one that I do, sad as it is that it is a necessity.


    Mmmmmmhmmm...,,,u flip flop on this topic more than mitt romney on romneycare. We know how u love jan and her reckless abuse of authority to strip people of their rights. Now own it!



    I can speak for myself just fine thank you very much...I put my opinion in words so clear and simple that even YOU should be able to comprehend them, Kitty-Kat. I have also been pretty consistent when it comes to Jan Brewer in terms of liking some, but certainly NOT all, of her policies. Obviously, having won re-election by nearly a landslide, Arizona voters don't have nearly as big of a problem with Governor Brewer as people outside the state do.
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    catfish5 said
    CuriousJockAZ saidWe don't love EVERYTHING about Jan...as she has made some missteps of late (denying benefits to domestic partners of government employees being among them). However, Jan Brewer does make the tough decisions that, while not popular, are unfortunately necessary in a state like Arizona in which illegal immigration is a HUGE problem costing the state million$ each year. If you are in this state illegally --- hence a criminal, breaking US immigration laws --- then, sorry, but NO you are not privy to an Arizona drivers license or any of the government benefits afforded those who are here LEGALLY. This sends a message to those considering coming here that there is no gravy train awaiting them here in AZ at the expense of Arizona tax payers. Obviously, this is a sad and difficult issue, with passionate feelings on both sides of the argument. However, Jan Brewer being willing to make some of these tough, albeit unpopular, decisions is one of the reasons she was elected as the Governor of this state by a large margin. To be clear, I DO NOT SUPPORT Jan Brewer on all of her actions, but this is one that I do, sad as it is that it is a necessity.


    Mmmmmmhmmm...,,,u flip flop on this topic more than mitt romney on romneycare. We know how u love jan and her reckless abuse of authority to strip people of their rights. Now own it!



    I can speak for myself just fine thank you very much...I put my opinion in words so clear and simple that even YOU should be able to comprehend them, Kitty-Kat. I have also been pretty consistent when it comes to Jan Brewer in terms of liking some, but certainly NOT all, of her policies. Obviously, having won re-election by nearly a landslide, Arizona voters don't have nearly as big of a problem with Governor Brewer as people outside the state do.


    You have been consistent about one thing...well maybe two. You consistently speak out of both sides of your mouth and virtually everyone knows you are a two faced liar. And you would throw the gay community under the bus along with gay rights to preserve your own financial wealth and avoid paying a few extra bucks in taxes.
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    Aug 17, 2012 3:32 AM GMT
    eightball saidugh, i'm so fed up with this wicked bitch of the west. she thinks she can undermine the POTUS and just do whatever she wants to? she needs to be arrested.

    also death @ curiousjock STILL defending that cunt. so glad i have that fucktard on ignore, his idiocy is mind numbing and his comments are IQ lowering.


    The POTUS can tell the justice department to not prosecute (INS)and give waivers to these individuals. That does not bestow legal status and compel states to issue drivers licenses. They are two different things. Even the homeland security secretary said they are not "legal". Brewer is enforcing Arizona law.

    http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/16/13317418-arizona-gov-jan-brewers-ban-on-drivers-licenses-for-undocumented-immigrants-likely-to-wind-up-in-court?lite
    "As the (Department of Homeland Security) has said repeatedly ... these individuals do not have lawful status," Benson told The Republic. "They are able to remain in the country and not be deported and not be prosecuted, but they do not have lawful status."

    Some would say that Obama is on the very edge of the law by doing what he did , specifically that his executive order power cannot overrule areas where congress has legislated in.

    I can sympathize with the "undocumented" . The Congress has granted AMNESTY before. Without a clear plan to prevent more illegal immigration granting new amnesty will just compound the problem.

    I would support a AMNESTY for the Dream Act affected children , but with a provision that would prevent them from ever sponsoring other immigrants for a period of 20 years.

    I would challenge the OP to state how is brewer in Defiance of the Executive Order? people are hinting on bestowing temporary worker status. But that has not happened.
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    eightball saidugh, i'm so fed up with this wicked bitch of the west. she thinks she can undermine the POTUS and just do whatever she wants to? she needs to be arrested.

    also death @ curiousjock STILL defending that cunt. so glad i have that fucktard on ignore, his idiocy is mind numbing and his comments are IQ lowering.


    The POTUS can tell the justice department to not prosecute (INS)and give waivers to these individuals. That does not bestow legal status and compel states to issue drivers licenses. They are two different things. Even the homeland security secretary said they are not "legal". Brewer is enforcing Arizona law.

    http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/16/13317418-arizona-gov-jan-brewers-ban-on-drivers-licenses-for-undocumented-immigrants-likely-to-wind-up-in-court?lite
    "As the (Department of Homeland Security) has said repeatedly ... these individuals do not have lawful status," Benson told The Republic. "They are able to remain in the country and not be deported and not be prosecuted, but they do not have lawful status."

    Some would say that Obama is on the very edge of the law by doing what he did , specifically that his executive order power cannot overrule areas where congress has legislated in.

    I can sympathize with the "undocumented" . The Congress has granted AMNESTY before. Without a clear plan to prevent more illegal immigration granting new amnesty will just compound the problem.

    I would support a AMNESTY for the Dream Act affected children , but with a provision that would prevent them from ever sponsoring other immigrants for a period of 20 years.

    I would challenge the OP to state how is brewer in Defiance of the Executive Order? people are hinting on bestowing temporary worker status. But that has not happened.


    Federal executive order trumps the state governors executive order. The Federal executive order sates that the undocumented immigrants who qualify are entitled to a drivers licence and other public benefits.
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    Aug 17, 2012 1:32 PM GMT
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    musclmed said
    eightball saidugh, i'm so fed up with this wicked bitch of the west. she thinks she can undermine the POTUS and just do whatever she wants to? she needs to be arrested.

    also death @ curiousjock STILL defending that cunt. so glad i have that fucktard on ignore, his idiocy is mind numbing and his comments are IQ lowering.


    The POTUS can tell the justice department to not prosecute (INS)and give waivers to these individuals. That does not bestow legal status and compel states to issue drivers licenses. They are two different things. Even the homeland security secretary said they are not "legal". Brewer is enforcing Arizona law.

    http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/16/13317418-arizona-gov-jan-brewers-ban-on-drivers-licenses-for-undocumented-immigrants-likely-to-wind-up-in-court?lite
    "As the (Department of Homeland Security) has said repeatedly ... these individuals do not have lawful status," Benson told The Republic. "They are able to remain in the country and not be deported and not be prosecuted, but they do not have lawful status."

    Some would say that Obama is on the very edge of the law by doing what he did , specifically that his executive order power cannot overrule areas where congress has legislated in.

    I can sympathize with the "undocumented" . The Congress has granted AMNESTY before. Without a clear plan to prevent more illegal immigration granting new amnesty will just compound the problem.

    I would support a AMNESTY for the Dream Act affected children , but with a provision that would prevent them from ever sponsoring other immigrants for a period of 20 years.

    I would challenge the OP to state how is brewer in Defiance of the Executive Order? people are hinting on bestowing temporary worker status. But that has not happened.


    Federal executive order trumps the state governors executive order. The Federal executive order sates that the undocumented immigrants who qualify are entitled to a drivers licence and other public benefits.


    Uh not really. We do not have a king. If that were the case then he could order same sex marriage.

    Executive orders are not law. They involve the area the president has power. In this case it is the enforcement of immigration law. Just because they are not deported does not give them legal status. ( the homeland security secretary has corroborated this).
    Non citizen/ people with visa's can get drivers licenses. But these are international travelers and workers. Obama would have to give them migrant worker status. Since there is clear federal law in this area, the executive order could be worthless.

    If the Federal Government were to try to go to court on this, they would loose. A decision not to prosecute ( deferred status) is just that. Its a wimpy one at that because it never was passed by Congress.
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    Aug 17, 2012 2:03 PM GMT
    Poor Jan, the tanning bed has fried her brain.
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    musclmed said
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    musclmed said
    eightball saidugh, i'm so fed up with this wicked bitch of the west. she thinks she can undermine the POTUS and just do whatever she wants to? she needs to be arrested.

    also death @ curiousjock STILL defending that cunt. so glad i have that fucktard on ignore, his idiocy is mind numbing and his comments are IQ lowering.


    The POTUS can tell the justice department to not prosecute (INS)and give waivers to these individuals. That does not bestow legal status and compel states to issue drivers licenses. They are two different things. Even the homeland security secretary said they are not "legal". Brewer is enforcing Arizona law.

    http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/16/13317418-arizona-gov-jan-brewers-ban-on-drivers-licenses-for-undocumented-immigrants-likely-to-wind-up-in-court?lite
    "As the (Department of Homeland Security) has said repeatedly ... these individuals do not have lawful status," Benson told The Republic. "They are able to remain in the country and not be deported and not be prosecuted, but they do not have lawful status."

    Some would say that Obama is on the very edge of the law by doing what he did , specifically that his executive order power cannot overrule areas where congress has legislated in.

    I can sympathize with the "undocumented" . The Congress has granted AMNESTY before. Without a clear plan to prevent more illegal immigration granting new amnesty will just compound the problem.

    I would support a AMNESTY for the Dream Act affected children , but with a provision that would prevent them from ever sponsoring other immigrants for a period of 20 years.

    I would challenge the OP to state how is brewer in Defiance of the Executive Order? people are hinting on bestowing temporary worker status. But that has not happened.


    Federal executive order trumps the state governors executive order. The Federal executive order sates that the undocumented immigrants who qualify are entitled to a drivers licence and other public benefits.


    Uh not really. We do not have a king. If that were the case then he could order same sex marriage.

    Executive orders are not law. They involve the area the president has power. In this case it is the enforcement of immigration law. Just because they are not deported does not give them legal status. ( the homeland security secretary has corroborated this).
    Non citizen/ people with visa's can get drivers licenses. But these are international travelers and workers. Obama would have to give them migrant worker status. Since there is clear federal law in this area, the executive order could be worthless.

    If the Federal Government were to try to go to court on this, they would loose. A decision not to prosecute ( deferred status) is just that. Its a wimpy one at that because it never was passed by Congress.


    Thirty days after being published in the Federal Register, executive orders become law. Federal executive order trumps state governors executive order.
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    Aug 18, 2012 3:36 AM GMT
    catfish5 said
    musclmed said
    catfish5 said
    musclmed said
    eightball saidugh, i'm so fed up with this wicked bitch of the west. she thinks she can undermine the POTUS and just do whatever she wants to? she needs to be arrested.

    also death @


    Thirty days after being published in the Federal Register, executive orders become law. Federal executive order trumps state governors executive order.


    Yes but the President has to have the power to set the order in the first place. The deferment of deportation is simply that. And since the Homeland Security Dept has clearly said it is not conferring legal status it is a grey area.
    It cannot compel Arizona to issue licenses. In fact there are several things further that can be done. The governor and legislature can deny funding for any purpose of giving out drivers licenses to this group. Like it or not we have a government system that has limited finite powers.

    If Obama truly had the power he could give Amnesty to every illegal. He doesn't. But the door swings both ways. "Sanctuary cities" have existed for decades, and act in direct opposition to Presidential executive orders.

    What Obama needs to do is pass a law properly so it has the full force of law. That means negotiating with Congress the old fashioned way. The way Bill Clinton had no trouble doing.