AARP: OBAMACARE STRENGTHENS MEDICARE WHILE RYAN PLAN UNDERMINES IT

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    Aug 17, 2012 2:42 PM GMT
    AARP states Obamacare strengthens medicare and adds to its solvency. The Ryan plan undermines medicare.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-medicare-ad-romney-ryan-budget-plan-obamacare-2012-8
  • rnch

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    Aug 17, 2012 2:52 PM GMT
    Romney/Ryan will quickly learn that it is not wise to piss off AARP or it's huge block of frequently voting senior citizen members. icon_exclaim.gif
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    Aug 17, 2012 3:25 PM GMT
    It will be interesting to see how this race shapes up as Romney / Ryan criss-cross this country and methodically educate everyday Americans about the truth regarding "The Ryan Plan" and the parts of that plan which will be integrated into "The Romney Plan". Ryan will be in campaigning in Florida this weekend --- should be interesting to see what kind of reception he receives.
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    CuriousJockAZ saidIt will be interesting to see how this race shapes up as Romney / Ryan criss-cross this country and methodically educate everyday Americans about the truth regarding "The Ryan Plan" and the parts of that plan which will be integrated into "The Romney Plan". Ryan will be in campaigning in Florida this weekend --- should be interesting to see what kind of reception he receives.


    Too late. The AARP, a non partisan entity struck first. The Romney/Ryan lies wont stick.
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    Aug 17, 2012 3:32 PM GMT
    catfish5 said
    CuriousJockAZ saidIt will be interesting to see how this race shapes up as Romney / Ryan criss-cross this country and methodically educate everyday Americans about the truth regarding "The Ryan Plan" and the parts of that plan which will be integrated into "The Romney Plan". Ryan will be in campaigning in Florida this weekend --- should be interesting to see what kind of reception he receives.


    Too late. The AARP, a non partisan entity struck first. The Romney/Ryan lies wont stick.



    That remains to be seen
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    CuriousJockAZ said
    catfish5 said
    CuriousJockAZ saidIt will be interesting to see how this race shapes up as Romney / Ryan criss-cross this country and methodically educate everyday Americans about the truth regarding "The Ryan Plan" and the parts of that plan which will be integrated into "The Romney Plan". Ryan will be in campaigning in Florida this weekend --- should be interesting to see what kind of reception he receives.


    Too late. The AARP, a non partisan entity struck first. The Romney/Ryan lies wont stick.



    That remains to be seen


    Funny how Ryan avoided FL with Romney till now only to visit his Mama on Medicare. What a ton of rank BS.
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    Aug 17, 2012 3:38 PM GMT
    catfish5 said
    Funny how Ryan avoided FL with Romney till now only to visit his Mama on Medicare. What a ton of rank BS.



    I call it clever, and probably ultimately effective, campaigning aimed squarely at the older demographic that the Democrats are desperately trying to scare to death with misleading, if not altogether false information.
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    catfish5 said
    Funny how Ryan avoided FL with Romney till now only to visit his Mama on Medicare. What a ton of rank BS.



    I call it clever, and probably ultimately effective campaigning aimed squarely at the demographic that the Democrats are desperately trying to scare to death with misleading, if not altogether false information.


    The info is from AARP. Romney/Ryan know the Ryan plan is unpopular with seniors and are avoiding FL. How cowardly!
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    Aug 17, 2012 4:18 PM GMT
    catfish5 said
    The info is from AARP. Romney/Ryan know the Ryan plan is unpopular with seniors and are avoiding FL. How cowardly!


    Ummm, no they aren't which is why Ryan begins a 3 day trip campaigning in Florida starting tomorrow. Catch up, would ya? icon_wink.gif
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    catfish5 said
    CuriousJockAZ saidIt will be interesting to see how this race shapes up as Romney / Ryan criss-cross this country and methodically educate everyday Americans about the truth regarding "The Ryan Plan" and the parts of that plan which will be integrated into "The Romney Plan". Ryan will be in campaigning in Florida this weekend --- should be interesting to see what kind of reception he receives.

    Too late. The AARP, a non partisan entity struck first. The Romney/Ryan lies wont stick.

    True. My partner & I are both AARP members, and we've been getting a slew of AARP mail, e-mail and robocalls warning us about the risks to Medicare and Social Security with some of these proposals.

    And while not strictly partisan in the message, it's clear which side wants to preserve these social programs that mostly benefit seniors, and which side wants to either eliminate them, or hand them over to private business for a profit, with reduced benefits and higher costs to recipients.

    Just this morning we got an automated AARP 5-question telephone survey on Medicare. Too bad for R&R, but seniors are getting a message from their own side which is at odds with the message from the self-serving Republican political side. I have a feeling that many seniors are still not too senile to buy from the snake-oil salesmen in the Republican Party, not when their own organization remains skeptical, if not hostile to proposals like Ryan's.
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    Aug 17, 2012 4:37 PM GMT
    AARP does not support Ryan plan. Here is their starement:

    While the House Republican budget proposal offers ideas for confronting our nation’s deficits and debt, AARP believes the proposal lacks balance, jeopardizes the health and economic security of older Americans, and puts at risk the bipartisan agreement on FY 2013 discretionary spending levels included in last year’s Budget Control Act…

    However, rather than recognizing that health care is an unavoidable necessity which must be made more affordable for all Americans, this proposal simply shifts these high and growing costs onto Medicare beneficiaries, and it then shifts even higher costs of increased uninsured care onto everyone else…By creating a “premium support” system for future Medicare beneficiaries, the proposal is likely to simply increase costs for beneficiaries while removing Medicare’s promise of secure health coverage — a guarantee that future seniors have contributed to through a lifetime of hard work…

    The premium support method described in the proposal – unlike private plan options that currently exist in Medicare — would likely “price out” traditional Medicare as a viable option, thus rendering the choice of traditional Medicare as a false promise. The proposal also leaves open the possibility for private plans to tailor their plans to healthy beneficiaries – again putting traditional Medicare at risk. The plan fails to realize the negotiating power of Medicare and its impact on lowering costs for the Medicare program – such as in Part D of the program. Converting Medicare to a series of private options would undermine the market power of Medicare and could lead to higher costs for seniors…

    While we appreciate the effort to address the sustainability of the Medicare program, we do not think it is appropriate to subject Medicare beneficiaries to an experimental and unproven health care model. We need to make sure the program remains a viable and affordable option for the over 47 million Medicare recipients that rely on the program for their health care needs…

    On behalf of our millions of members and all older Americans, we reiterate our concerns about the harm this budget could cause beneficiaries of the Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security programs.
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    Aug 17, 2012 5:06 PM GMT
    catfish5 said
    Too late. The AARP, a non partisan entity struck first. The Romney/Ryan lies wont stick.


    "Non-partisan" my ASS! AARP is highly partisan. Their President and Obama are quite close, and Obamacare specifically put AARP in an advantageous position.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/05/aarps_obamacare_endgame_reveal.html

    Furthermore, AARP lost many members who realized their partisanship did not work to their benefit.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-18563_162-5247916.html
    http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2009-08-17-aarp-health-overhaul_N.htm
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    Aug 17, 2012 5:12 PM GMT
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    catfish5 said
    Too late. The AARP, a non partisan entity struck first. The Romney/Ryan lies wont stick.


    "Non-partisan" my ASS! AARP is highly partisan. Their President and Obama are quite close, and Obamacare specifically put AARP in an advantageous position.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/05/aarps_obamacare_endgame_reveal.html

    Furthermore, AARP lost many members who realized their partisanship did not work to their benefit.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-18563_162-5247916.html
    http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2009-08-17-aarp-health-overhaul_N.htm


    LMFAO The AARP is only partisan when they say something you dont want to hear!

    http://www.aarp.org/videos.video-name=How-Does-AARP-Maintain-Its-Non-Partisanship-AARP-Live/
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    I sometimes wonder what happened to CuriousJock. he used to be sensible and coherent, even if sadly conservative. He has degenerated into a sad troll.

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    Aug 17, 2012 6:04 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidIt will be interesting to see how this race shapes up as Romney / Ryan criss-cross this country and methodically educate everyday Americans about the truth regarding "The Ryan Plan" and the parts of that plan which will be integrated into "The Romney Plan". Ryan will be in campaigning in Florida this weekend --- should be interesting to see what kind of reception he receives.


    Ryan is a great speaker on medicare because he knows the numbers and he knows how to fix it. The more he speakes the more people especially seniors are finding that out. Obama and Biden cant even debate or explain Obamacare off the teleprompter but Ryan can explain any type of fiscal issue with no notes. The awnser from Obama?Biden(soon to be Hillary?).....crickets
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    CuriousJockAZ said
    catfish5 said
    CuriousJockAZ saidIt will be interesting to see how this race shapes up as Romney / Ryan criss-cross this country and methodically educate everyday Americans about the truth regarding "The Ryan Plan" and the parts of that plan which will be integrated into "The Romney Plan". Ryan will be in campaigning in Florida this weekend --- should be interesting to see what kind of reception he receives.


    Too late. The AARP, a non partisan entity struck first. The Romney/Ryan lies wont stick.



    That remains to be seen


    Catfish5 says "THE ROMNEY/RYAN LIES WONT STICK."

    CuriousJockAZ answers with "THAT REMAINS TO BE SEEN."

    I have to agree with CJAZ on this one. With enough money to spin those ROMNEY/RYAN LIES they can indeed win the election for THE LIARS.

    But I wonder how Romney/Ryan and the R Team plan to govern a population who will soon realize that they have been deceived.

    Republicans, Do you think you can create a police state sufficient to control all those who will rebel against you?
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    Aug 17, 2012 6:33 PM GMT
    Balancing said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    catfish5 said
    CuriousJockAZ saidIt will be interesting to see how this race shapes up as Romney / Ryan criss-cross this country and methodically educate everyday Americans about the truth regarding "The Ryan Plan" and the parts of that plan which will be integrated into "The Romney Plan". Ryan will be in campaigning in Florida this weekend --- should be interesting to see what kind of reception he receives.


    Too late. The AARP, a non partisan entity struck first. The Romney/Ryan lies wont stick.



    That remains to be seen


    Catfish5 says "THE ROMNEY/RYAN LIES WONT STICK."

    CuriousJockAZ answers with "THAT REMAINS TO BE SEEN."

    I have to agree with CJAZ on this one. With enough money to spin those ROMNEY/RYAN LIES they can indeed win the election for THE LIARS.

    But I wonder how Romney/Ryan and the R Team plan to govern a population who will soon realize that they have been deceived.

    Republicans, Do you think you can create a police state sufficient to control all those who will rebel against you?


    Decieved?? that would be the passage of Obamacare. The dems rammed it through, the American people hate it even more today, the dems have to own it, it cost them in the 2010 elections and it will crush them again in 2012
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    Balancing said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    catfish5 said
    CuriousJockAZ saidIt will be interesting to see how this race shapes up as Romney / Ryan criss-cross this country and methodically educate everyday Americans about the truth regarding "The Ryan Plan" and the parts of that plan which will be integrated into "The Romney Plan". Ryan will be in campaigning in Florida this weekend --- should be interesting to see what kind of reception he receives.


    Too late. The AARP, a non partisan entity struck first. The Romney/Ryan lies wont stick.



    That remains to be seen


    Catfish5 says "THE ROMNEY/RYAN LIES WONT STICK."

    CuriousJockAZ answers with "THAT REMAINS TO BE SEEN."

    I have to agree with CJAZ on this one. With enough money to spin those ROMNEY/RYAN LIES they can indeed win the election for THE LIARS.

    But I wonder how Romney/Ryan and the R Team plan to govern a population who will soon realize that they have been deceived.

    Republicans, Do you think you can create a police state sufficient to control all those who will rebel against you?


    Decieved?? that would be the passage of Obamacare. The dems rammed it through, the American people hate it even more today, the dems have to own it, it cost them in the 2010 elections and it will crush them again in 2012


    Obama campaigned on Obamacare in 2008. The voters got what they voted for. The ones who dont like Obamacare are the Repubs who dont like anything with Obamas name on it.
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    Aug 17, 2012 9:35 PM GMT
    catfish5 said
    jock_1 said
    Balancing said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    catfish5 said
    CuriousJockAZ saidIt will be interesting to see how this race shapes up as Romney / Ryan criss-cross this country and methodically educate everyday Americans about the truth regarding "The Ryan Plan" and the parts of that plan which will be integrated into "The Romney Plan". Ryan will be in campaigning in Florida this weekend --- should be interesting to see what kind of reception he receives.


    Too late. The AARP, a non partisan entity struck first. The Romney/Ryan lies wont stick.



    That remains to be seen


    Catfish5 says "THE ROMNEY/RYAN LIES WONT STICK."

    CuriousJockAZ answers with "THAT REMAINS TO BE SEEN."

    I have to agree with CJAZ on this one. With enough money to spin those ROMNEY/RYAN LIES they can indeed win the election for THE LIARS.

    But I wonder how Romney/Ryan and the R Team plan to govern a population who will soon realize that they have been deceived.

    Republicans, Do you think you can create a police state sufficient to control all those who will rebel against you?


    Decieved?? that would be the passage of Obamacare. The dems rammed it through, the American people hate it even more today, the dems have to own it, it cost them in the 2010 elections and it will crush them again in 2012


    Obama campaigned on Obamacare in 2008. The voters got what they voted for. The ones who dont like Obamacare are the Repubs who dont like anything with Obamas name on it.


    Then 64% of Americans are republicans because thats the percentage of Americans that want it repealed
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    Aug 17, 2012 9:44 PM GMT
    GonzoTheGreat saidI sometimes wonder what happened to CuriousJock. he used to be sensible and coherent, even if sadly conservative. He has degenerated into a sad troll.

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    It's an election year. After Obama is re-elected he can go back to being a generic run-of-the-mill racist instead of a right-wing, anti-gay, anti-Latino, anti-senior, anti-poor, anti-women, anti-student racist like the rest of the Republican Party.
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    jock_1 said
    catfish5 said
    jock_1 said
    Balancing said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    catfish5 said
    CuriousJockAZ saidIt will be interesting to see how this race shapes up as Romney / Ryan criss-cross this country and methodically educate everyday Americans about the truth regarding "The Ryan Plan" and the parts of that plan which will be integrated into "The Romney Plan". Ryan will be in campaigning in Florida this weekend --- should be interesting to see what kind of reception he receives.


    Too late. The AARP, a non partisan entity struck first. The Romney/Ryan lies wont stick.



    That remains to be seen


    Catfish5 says "THE ROMNEY/RYAN LIES WONT STICK."

    CuriousJockAZ answers with "THAT REMAINS TO BE SEEN."

    I have to agree with CJAZ on this one. With enough money to spin those ROMNEY/RYAN LIES they can indeed win the election for THE LIARS.

    But I wonder how Romney/Ryan and the R Team plan to govern a population who will soon realize that they have been deceived.

    Republicans, Do you think you can create a police state sufficient to control all those who will rebel against you?


    Decieved?? that would be the passage of Obamacare. The dems rammed it through, the American people hate it even more today, the dems have to own it, it cost them in the 2010 elections and it will crush them again in 2012


    Obama campaigned on Obamacare in 2008. The voters got what they voted for. The ones who dont like Obamacare are the Repubs who dont like anything with Obamas name on it.


    Then 64% of Americans are republicans because thats the percentage of Americans that want it repealed


    A large percentage are democrats who didnt think Obamacare went far enough and wanted a single payor system.
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    Aug 18, 2012 12:39 AM GMT
    GonzoTheGreat saidI sometimes wonder what happened to CuriousJock. he used to be sensible and coherent, even if sadly conservative. He has degenerated into a sad troll.

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    So voicing a different opinion makes one a "troll", eh. Really? If that's the best you've got it's incredibly weak. Besides, judging by the "thank you" emails I get on RJ, the liberal hen crowd is hardly my target audience icon_lol.gif
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    GonzoTheGreat saidI sometimes wonder what happened to CuriousJock. he used to be sensible and coherent, even if sadly conservative. He has degenerated into a sad troll.

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    So voicing a different opinion makes one a "troll", eh. Really? If that's the best you've got it's incredibly weak. Besides, judging by the "thank you" emails I get on RJ, the liberal hen crowd is hardly my target audience icon_lol.gif




    Different opinion ???


    Just where do you stand on this ? There's an easy fix that CBO has shown would work that AARP is for, which is to simply increase the income limits from which SS and medicare deductions are taken from, up from the current approx $108,000 to $180,000. Would you go for Ryan's Idea which definately would cost the elderly thousands more per year or for the CBO figures that AARP approves of ?.
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    GonzoTheGreat saidI sometimes wonder what happened to CuriousJock. he used to be sensible and coherent, even if sadly conservative. He has degenerated into a sad troll.

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    So voicing a different opinion makes one a "troll", eh. Really? If that's the best you've got it's incredibly weak. Besides, judging by the "thank you" emails I get on RJ, the liberal hen crowd is hardly my target audience icon_lol.gif


    Oh the conservaposse sock acciunts email you too. Judging from the hate mail i get from them, i must be doing a good job too!
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    catfish5 said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    GonzoTheGreat saidI sometimes wonder what happened to CuriousJock. he used to be sensible and coherent, even if sadly conservative. He has degenerated into a sad troll.

    icon_sad.gif
    icon_evil.gificon_mad.gif

    So voicing a different opinion makes one a "troll", eh. Really? If that's the best you've got it's incredibly weak. Besides, judging by the "thank you" emails I get on RJ, the liberal hen crowd is hardly my target audience icon_lol.gif


    Oh the conservaposse sock acciunts email you too. Judging from the hate mail i get from them, i must be doing a good job too!


    Hahaha. Nobody has ever seen these phantom emails. Why don't they just co-sign on the actual threads?

    Because they don't exist.